Club statement | Resolution not deemed competent

[eejay the dj 31,964]

4 hours ago, Heshootshescores said:

Only in Scotland, what a corrupt little cesspit this is. If this was only about Dundee being allowed to withdraw their vote, it would already be shameful. Imagine if they had voted 'YES'... would they have been allowed to change their vote?.. Not a fucking chance. 

And believe it or not .The bheasts don’t even bat an eyelid .” It’s all our fault “ 🤣🤣

[eejay the dj 31,964]

4 hours ago, KingKirk said:

Should never be forgot that one single statement from ourselves has caused this chaos.

Just one little statement.

Look at what's happened since Friday night within spfl towers panic

They know that we know.

tic tock

We can’t be so self congratulatory Kirk .Not yet .Other clubs like Partick have done everything yesterday  

[chris182 6,531]

Internal investigation

Straight out of the Lawwell handbook.

Not this time. They are panicking big style.

[pcbear 10,932]

Just now, chris182 said:

Internal investigation

Straight out of the Lawwell handbook.

Not this time. They are panicking big style.

Aye let the investigators investigate themselves whose shady  dealings prompted the "investigation" that's such a great idea, The Cartoon Network is reaching new levels completely.

[Brackley 1,412]

8 hours ago, esquire8 said:

Yet the diddiest team of all, with a fucking hedge for a stand, are on the board. A fucking hedge. For a fucking stand.

A

FUCKING

HEDGE.

 

(Apologies for the repeat, just flabbergasted)

And said diddy team will escape relegation/ drop out of the league.  Wonder why?

 

Oh, by the way , there's  nothing wrong with a nice Bush.😁

[BlueMe 25,327]

Hopefully the internal investigation shows that there has actually been years of corruption and coercion with the voting and this leads to them sacking themselves.

[Brackley 1,412]

8 hours ago, Trooblue said:

As if it had nothing to do with him, but he needed to inform himself about what had been going on. I read that old Private Eye piece about his behaviour as a media exec - he is undoubtedly shifty, but very thick too. 

Reckon it's about time Private Eye did another piece complete with some digging of their own.

[Malvern 11,329]

50 minutes ago, Creampuff said:

Can someone explain to me why everyone is talking about league reconstruction all of a sudden? I thought this vote was about finances and helping the clubs stay solvent? 🤔

Self interest and handing the scum the title springs to mind.

[Brackley 1,412]

7 hours ago, bluenoz said:

Dundee sent the email sweetheart, I'm sure of it.

Which one?

Original or revised.

[Malvern 11,329]

3 minutes ago, Brackley said:

Which one?

Original or revised.

The one the scum want.

[Courtyard Bear 41,357]

9 hours ago, Moody Blue Legend said:

Ma baws, yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas

 

[Colin Traive 23,873]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52282288
 

Good piece on BBC website (apart from inclusion of Sutton as a “pundit”) asking for fans’ votes on options to end PL season.

Leading the way at the moment is “null and void” with 28%.

But what do the fans know, eh?

[Dave Hedgehog 10,673]

2 minutes ago, Colin Traive said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52282288
 

Good piece on BBC website (apart from inclusion of Sutton as a “pundit”) asking for fans’ votes on options to end PL season.

Leading the way at the moment is “null and void” with 28%.

But what do the fans know, eh?

Season ends.

No Chamion.

No relegation.

Prize monies based on end position.

Im utterly baffled why some people won’t allow that or some people think it’s wrong. 👍

 

[doc holliday 1,653]

An article from 2018,background of SPFL Chairman,Murdoch MacLennan.Sources telegraph and Wiki.

MacLennan was appointed chairman of the Scottish Professional Football League (SPFL) in July 2017.There was criticism that MacLennan is not impartial in his role with the SPFL considering the fact that INM's majority shareholder is celtic's majority shareholder Dermot Desmond. One of Desmond close associates and fellow celtic fan Denis O'Brian is also an INM shareholder.

 

The SPFL refused to investigate the connection.

 

Rangers’ demands for an investigation into the business links between Scottish Professional Football League chairman Murdoch MacLennan and Dermot Desmond, celtic’s single biggest shareholder, have been rejected by the SPFL.

MacLennan relinquished the position of chief executive of Telegraph Media Group to become the group’s deputy chairman in June and was appointed to his SPFL role the following month.

He stepped down as deputy chairman of the Telegraph Group in March – although he remains as a non-executive director – having previously accepted the position of non-executive chairman of Dublin-based Independent News & Media, a group which includes Desmond among its shareholders.

MacLennan’s appointment to the Irish group was covered extensively at the time, in publications as diverse as the UK Press Gazette and the Morning Star.

It was, however, a report much later in a Scottish tabloid that agitated the Rangers chairman, Dave King, who issued a statement on the club website yesterday which read, in part: “It is now imperative that we discover exactly the nature of the information supplied to the SPFL regarding this relationship.

“It is equally important that any conflicts of interest, or even the perception of such, whereby positions within the Scottish football authorities could be undermined, or abused, must be aggressively rooted out of our game.

“The SPFL, therefore, must immediately suspend its chairman pending an independent investigation by a senior QC into the allegations and into the extent that other parties within the SPFL may have cooperated in this alleged non-disclosure. There is a clear prima facie case for this investigation.”

The SPFL rejected King’s demands. A league spokesman said: “The members of the SPFL board were each informed of Murdoch’s appointment on January 19th 2018, the same day it was publicly announced in a press release from Independent News & Media plc.

“That release was also circulated to the entire SPFL board that day. The appointment was widely reported in the national media at the time, including in the Sunday Times, Belfast Telegraph and Sunday Independent. No director raised this issue subsequently and it was not the subject of any board discussions.

“To be definitive, a non-executive position on a plc does not constitute a business relationship between that individual and a minority shareholder in the company and therefore no investigation is warranted.” 

It is the second time in a week that Rangers have taken umbrage at the actions of a member of one of the game’s governing bodies. They condemned Gary Hughes, non-executive member of the Scottish Football Association, after it was revealed that, 12 years ago in a trade publication, he had referred to the Rangers support as “the great unwashed”.

[TEFTONG 61,309]

N&V now at 38%. 

[pcbear 10,932]

1 minute ago, TEFTONG said:

N&V now at 38%. 

That's because hardly anyone has  voted, my one vote took it up 5%

[doc holliday 1,653]

4 minutes ago, TEFTONG said:

N&V now at 38%. 

But remember this is UK wide votes.If it was Scotland alone,the tarrier swing  would have to be taken into account .

[eskbankloyal 19,446]

7 hours ago, STEPPS BOY said:

“That has sent Scottish football into meltdown as Dundee have used the time to try and get a better deal for clubs, like Hearts, Thistle and Stranraer who would all face relegation via the current proposal”.

 

 

The other line they are spinning is that they want all ‘big clubs’ to play friendlies with those relegated in order to financially compensate them  

beyond parody

[murzo 7,449]

4 hours ago, born a blue nose said:

An internal investigation is hilarious. 
 

no cunts, it’s an external investigation we want.

Off yees fuck.

That’s it exactly. We put a claim in last Saturday and the spfl said “show us your evidence “. Nothing else.

 Yet on Tuesday night they now feel the need for an internal investigation even tho no evidence has been given to them. Why have they now decided the need for it. We all know it’s because they have something to hide and they are trying to do whatever it takes to keep it hidden.

[pcbear 10,932]

9 minutes ago, eskbankloyal said:

The other line they are spinning is that they want all ‘big clubs’ to play friendlies with those relegated in order to financially compensate them  

beyond parody

Aye, there is loads of room in the calender  for these "money spinning" friendlies that nobody will give a flying fuck about with more people on the park than in the stand, guys a clown.

[OceanRain 2,845]

The Herald (Matthew Lindsay)

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Why the SPFL's voting farce risks tarnishing celtic's record-equalling Scottish title win forever

ABANDONING the 2019/20 campaign, deciding final Ladbrokes Premiership placings on a points per game basis and crowning celtic champions will never, if it ever gets the green light, be accepted by everyone in the Scottish game regardless of the logic behind the proposal.

Never mind that we are in the midst of the first global pandemic in a century, never mind that declaring the season null and void will have dire financial repercussions, never mind that playing the season to a finish when the shutdown is lifted will just prolong the pain and negatively impact on vital future revenue.

For many fans in this country, it will simply be another example of institutional bias, of a corrupt system that favours the all-powerful Parkhead club, if it gets the go-ahead. Such is the nature of the sport here. Paranoia abounds.

Yet, the treble treble winners - who were 13 points clear of their nearest challengers Rangers in the Premiership table when football was suspended last month due to the Covid-19 outbreak having won nine and drawn just one of their 10 league games in 2020 - and their supporters will be able to cope with the inevitable jibes about a tainted title.

They are quite content that Neil Lennon’s team have once again been the most impressive and consistent performers in the top flight and deserve to win the Scottish title for a record-equalling ninth consecutive year.

Sure, they could mathematically still be caught. But could Steven Gerrard’s side, who have lost to Hearts, Kilmarnock and Hamilton and been held to draws by Aberdeen and St Johnstone in the Premiership this year, really recover from their slump in form and overtake them? No sane supporter expected it.

Alas, the cack-handed manner the vote into the resolution which was presented by the SPFL to their 42 member clubs last week – which called for the Championship, League 1 and League 2 to be curtailed now and the board to be given the power to do the same in the Premiership further down the line - has been handled now risks tarnishing their achievement.

By making the votes cast before an unofficial deadline on Friday evening public without the final outcome being known and then entering into protracted negotiations with Dundee – the Championship club who have the decisive vote - the SPFL have irrevocably compromised the entire process and left themselves open to accusations of rigging the result.

That the Dens Park club now know the power they hold is, irrespective of what actually happened to their mysterious missing email, nothing short of farcical. What sort of way is that to run a democratic ballot? It has lost any credibility.

But even before that jaw-dropping decision to publish the votes so far the resolution was flawed.

The take-it-or-leave-it nature of the proposal incensed clubs. They were adamant – even if SPFL chairman Murdoch MacLennan this weekend refuted this point – that loans could be advanced to them ahead of receiving their end-of-season prize money thus allowing them to debate the way ahead at greater length. They felt they were being held to ransom.

Time is clearly a factor here. With no regular income from matches coming in clubs need funds urgently in order to stay afloat. That will have been foremost in the minds of both the board and executive. Still, the lack of meaningful dialogue disturbed many. Not least Ann Budge of Hearts.

“This is not, in my view, how you honour the principle that it is up to the members to decide how to ensure the fairest approach is taken,” she said. “To dismiss all but one option and present only this option for a members’ vote, within a very limited timescale, must surely raise the question of whether the board is attempting to unduly influence the members decision making process.”

In addition, a commitment to consult with clubs over possible league reconstruction ahead of the 2020/21 campaign didn’t go nearly far enough. It still meant that chairmen, chief executives and managing directors, if they backed the plan, were harshly consigning Hearts, Partick Thistle and Stranraer to relegation during a devastating economic downturn.

It would have made far more sense to present a definite solution. Even if it was just a stop-gap measure for a season. A switch to a 14-10-10-10 set-up was the best option in the circumstances.

That will ensure no club drops down a division, Dundee United, Inverness Caledonian Thistle, Raith Rovers, Falkirk, Cove Rangers and Edinburgh City will all be promoted and the Highland League and Lowland League winners move into the bottom tier.

Reaching a compromise which means that no club suffers unnecessarily would be, in these extraordinary times, quite a feat. So why wasn’t that possibility laid out more clearly? It would have made agreeing to the resolution far less painful and actually rather positive.

Of course, reconstruction will require a different vote at a later date. It will take an 11-1 majority for it to get cleared. By all accounts, Premiership clubs will lose out financially if their ranks swell next term. Recent events have hardly filled onlookers with hope.

[King Jela 21,686]

14 minutes ago, doc holliday said:

An article from 2018,background of SPFL Chairman,Murdoch MacLennan.Sources telegraph and Wiki.

MacLennan was appointed chairman of the Scottish Professional Football League (SPFL) in July 2017.There was criticism that MacLennan is not impartial in his role with the SPFL considering the fact that INM's majority shareholder is celtic's majority shareholder Dermot Desmond. One of Desmond close associates and fellow celtic fan Denis O'Brian is also an INM shareholder.

 

The SPFL refused to investigate the connection.

 

Rangers’ demands for an investigation into the business links between Scottish Professional Football League chairman Murdoch MacLennan and Dermot Desmond, celtic’s single biggest shareholder, have been rejected by the SPFL.

MacLennan relinquished the position of chief executive of Telegraph Media Group to become the group’s deputy chairman in June and was appointed to his SPFL role the following month.

He stepped down as deputy chairman of the Telegraph Group in March – although he remains as a non-executive director – having previously accepted the position of non-executive chairman of Dublin-based Independent News & Media, a group which includes Desmond among its shareholders.

MacLennan’s appointment to the Irish group was covered extensively at the time, in publications as diverse as the UK Press Gazette and the Morning Star.

It was, however, a report much later in a Scottish tabloid that agitated the Rangers chairman, Dave King, who issued a statement on the club website yesterday which read, in part: “It is now imperative that we discover exactly the nature of the information supplied to the SPFL regarding this relationship.

“It is equally important that any conflicts of interest, or even the perception of such, whereby positions within the Scottish football authorities could be undermined, or abused, must be aggressively rooted out of our game.

“The SPFL, therefore, must immediately suspend its chairman pending an independent investigation by a senior QC into the allegations and into the extent that other parties within the SPFL may have cooperated in this alleged non-disclosure. There is a clear prima facie case for this investigation.”

The SPFL rejected King’s demands. A league spokesman said: “The members of the SPFL board were each informed of Murdoch’s appointment on January 19th 2018, the same day it was publicly announced in a press release from Independent News & Media plc.

“That release was also circulated to the entire SPFL board that day. The appointment was widely reported in the national media at the time, including in the Sunday Times, Belfast Telegraph and Sunday Independent. No director raised this issue subsequently and it was not the subject of any board discussions.

“To be definitive, a non-executive position on a plc does not constitute a business relationship between that individual and a minority shareholder in the company and therefore no investigation is warranted.” 

It is the second time in a week that Rangers have taken umbrage at the actions of a member of one of the game’s governing bodies. They condemned Gary Hughes, non-executive member of the Scottish Football Association, after it was revealed that, 12 years ago in a trade publication, he had referred to the Rangers support as “the great unwashed”.

Fuck sake. 

[BlueKnight87 17,887]

8 hours ago, Sweetheart said:

 

Yes because internal investigations go so well in scotland. 

Club can tell them to shove this and get an independent enquiry carried out. 

[BlueThunder 8,636]

13 minutes ago, OceanRain said:

The Herald (Matthew Lindsay)

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Why the SPFL's voting farce risks tarnishing celtic's record-equalling Scottish title win forever

Classic bait and switch. Suggests the title would be tarnished, then goes on to say they wouldn’t care and only the insane would suggest Rangers would have won it anyway.

Also suggests that null and void would be ruinous, and that the only realistic outcome is to declare celtic champions (without considering simply ending the league with no winners and no losers, and payout based on position with the league marked as incomplete)

[frenv 2,179]

2 minutes ago, BlueKnight87 said:

Yes because internal investigations go so well in scotland. 

Club can tell them to shove this and get an independent enquiry carried out. 

But internal investigations are super-thorough - just look at how long celtic have been 'internally investigating' the legions of child abusers they've harboured throughout the years without any sort of conclusion or result.