Club statement | Resolution not deemed competent

[Howsitgoing 4,281]

3 minutes ago, eskbankloyal said:

I don’t think that’s the case. Nelms is pulling the strings. Drysdale is the useful idiot

Dundee statement must of been giving the ok from him, if he was scamming then this statement wouldn’t of been allowed.

The truth will hopefully prevail and when it does Dundee better have a fall guy or their club could be finished. 

[B1872 20,758]

4 minutes ago, Dan Deacon said:

 

Right this is certainly getting weird with this Rangers hating racist fuck going after celtic......... I mean the SPFL.

[tina-duncan 212]

What do we know so far about the evidence we have? Is it the same as whats out in the public just now, or is it claimed we have something else that no ones seen?

[Dave Hedgehog 10,673]

12 minutes ago, BlueMe said:

Long article, but bang on imo-

Everyone wants the season to be completed but that may not be realistic.

It was something Mikey Devlin said on these very pages a week ago: “It’s about finding a solution that upsets the least amount of people. Because you can’t appease everyone.”

Profound words from the big Aberdeen defender and PFA Scotland’s vice-chairman but not unexpected from a guy like him.

He was bang on.

In the midst of a proper crisis, a global pandemic that’s killing thousands of people every day, the answers were never going to be easy.

For any government, organisation, business or sport, it’s all about making the best out of a horribly bad situation.

Of course, someone will feel hurt or damaged. But it’s about limiting that to as few as possible.

Which brings us to the SPFL and their botched attempts to call a halt to this 2019/20 Premiership season. A body, made up of its own clubs, with an
executive board there to guide them.

In their efforts to reach some sort of conclusion, we’ve had bickering between clubs, selfish agendas, threats from UEFA, financial scaremongering and lobbying.

On Friday – even before their ‘resolution’ vote had been partly counted they were publicly accused by Rangers of bullying.

What followed that day and into the night was embarrassing and unedifying.

And yesterday the Ibrox club’s latest statement put a grenade under the SPFL by demanding an investigation and the suspension of CEO Neil Doncaster. If the Englishman survives this latest farce, he really is untouchable.

As Dundee sit with the future of Scottish football in their hands, we’ve still no idea if any of our leagues will end prematurely or not.

The fact they’ve allowed it to get to this point – and the insane release of the incomplete vote – shows a complete failure of governance.

Rangers have now pounced on this and claim they have evidence to prove it.

Now, one club can hold them all to ransom, or worse, leave themselves open to the entire basis of the league being sorted on a bribe.

But while all of this chaos was going on there was still a big elephant in the room on Hampden’s sixth floor. Sitting there with two words on the tip of its trunk. Null and Void.

It’s the one phrase that had everyone in Scottish football running scared from the moment it was first uttered.

From very early on, the SPFL wiped it clean off the table. But now, after the farce we had to endure on Friday night, you have to ask: “Why?”

I tell you what, if they’d been bold enough to do it – you wouldn’t have half of the squabbling or underhand tactics we’re seeing now.

Let’s be clear about a few things.

Firstly, every football player, coach, fan, pundit and journalist in the land wants this season to
be completed.

Cram the remaining games in when it’s safe to do so and dish out the prizes accordingly.

The Euro 2020 postponement has helped with that. Players have effectively had their pre-season now so when they come back they’ll be able to play right through.

The group stage of the 2020/21 Betfred Cup could have been replaced by a straight knock-out, with more midweek games and no winter break.

That’s how they might have pulled it off. It would have been the ideal scenario for everyone.

But given the timescale involved and the health advice available at the moment, that’s now highly unlikely to happen.

There has to be a cut-off point for finishing this season. And if the coronavirus, and government guidance, prevents us from getting it done before say, August 31? You accept defeat.

That’s when they had a real decision to make. When they needed proper leadership – and a set of balls.

Which brings us on to another couple of
unarguable facts. You can’t declare someone the winner when a competition hasn’t been won. And you can’t relegate a club when they still have a chance of survival.

Whether you like it or not, it just isn’t right.

And the result of trying to push something like that through was played out in front of our eyes last week. Arguments back and forth, legal revolts, tactical voting and suggestions of coercing.

And that was just for the lower leagues.

The null-and-void option, with no promotion or relegation?

It would certainly be controversial. But we keep hearing that these are unprecedented times.

Sometimes that calls for unprecedented decision making. If games can’t be completed by August 31, this virus is solely responsible for wiping out the season.

A once-in-a-generation disaster, which is far more important than any title or trophy.

Think of Devlin’s point. While the current proposals have prompted in-fighting among several clubs, this option would have been extremely harsh on just three out of 42.

celtic, Dundee United and Cove Rangers would be the only clubs with a genuine grievance, given their leads at the top of the Premiership, Championship and League Two.

There’s no doubt it would have been a severe body blow. The thought of having to come back and do it all again next season, with no reward for their efforts.

But there are 1000 people dying every day as a result of Covid-19. A bit of perspective is required.

As for every other club?

As long as they were still getting their place money from the abandoned campaign – and the pot is there ready to be dished out – they would accept restarting whenever we get the green light.

Distribute the cash on current league positions before it’s called void. And don’t complicate it with this nonsense of tallying average points over a season. Who came up with that whopper?

Understandably, there was a fear attached to the null-and-void argument.

But that’s where you require the SPFL – as well as individual clubs – to show some strength of leadership.

There was talk of the TV companies claiming back some of their cash if the season is scrapped.

But Sky are hardly likely to do that just as they’re about to embark on a new five-year deal in August. The SPFL seem to be using Sky’s big contract, which kicks off on August 1, as one of their excuses.

But surely whether the new campaign starts on August 1 or September 7 wouldn’t have made any difference under these circumstances?

The deal is for the amount of live fixtures over a season and that won’t change even if the start has to be delayed.

If they tried to rob clubs of funds, there might not be clubs left for next term.

Same for BT Sport, who are coming to the end of a successful stint where they’ve built up terrific
relationships with Scottish clubs. The SPFL claim, on their legal advice, they can’t do it. So tell us exactly why.

Who’s threatening to sue? Call them out, stand up to them. Tell the supporters who is holding a gun to your head. Who’s applying pressure?

We’ve heard clubs are concerned about legal battles over season tickets or sponsorship.

And obviously if there was a danger of it happening you’d have to tread carefully.

But are we to believe that fans would sue their own clubs for a chunk of their season book cash because there were still a handful of home games to go? Really? Knowing it might hurt the club?

Again, I can’t see it.

And as for sponsorship, it would be suicidal from a PR and marketing point of view for any company to potentially sink a club for the sake of a few hundred grand.

Imagine celtic or Rangers supporters telling punters in no uncertain terms not to bet with Ladbrokes or drink Magners – because they’d attempted to take advantage of the pandemic by clawing money back. In terms of their image, it would be crazy if they pursued it.

That’s where clubs – and the league – would have to be strong in shaming them.

Some said the null-and-void option was crazy. But look at the alternative. We’re in the midst of that very s*** storm right now. At least it would give cast iron clarity and end the fighting.

What happened on Friday night was a dark day for our game.

While supporters were losing loved ones to a deadly virus, the people in charge of football were quarrelling about which way Inverness Caley Thistle’s vote might go.

It was a shambles and can never be repeated.

Devlin was right. Find a solution that upsets the least people. But irrespective of what happens next or what box John Nelms ticks before hitting send on the Dens Park fax machine, what we’re going to end up with certainly won’t do that.

The one bit I don’t agree with is this

 

The Euro 2020 postponement has helped with that. Players have effectively had their pre-season now so when they come back they’ll be able to play right through.

 

 

Whoever wrote that doesn’t have a clue what a pre season is. A pre season can be a physical hell for a player to make sure they are ready for a long season, not sitting doing limited exercises in your living room or garden to get you up to speed for an extended season.

But apart from that it’s a good read 👍

[Sweetheart 8,458]

16 minutes ago, 6superbarry6 said:

100% correct mate, removing Doncaster will achieve nothing it’s Lawell we need to go after, remove the head of the snake 

Agreed.

Corruption has poisoned the Scottish game and 'removing the head of the snake' is the only way that corruption can be removed.  I  think more clubs will come forward in an alliance to clean up the Scottish game and make it something to be proud of.

[jintybear 8,536]

9 hours ago, LaudrupsPatrickBoots said:

And? He was posting a picture from a game they were repeating today. Whenever any of our players do anything similar we lap it up

Him posting a picture has absolutely no impact on what Morelos is doing either. Strange post.

I think it’s the caption he’s put on Morelos top that’s the “joke” when actually it’s Brown thatS the joke. We live in their heads constantly and they don’t like it! 

[BlueMe 25,327]

4 minutes ago, Dave Hedgehog said:

The one bit I don’t agree with is this

 

The Euro 2020 postponement has helped with that. Players have effectively had their pre-season now so when they come back they’ll be able to play right through.

 

 

Whoever wrote that doesn’t have a clue what a pre season is. A pre season can be a physical hell for a player to make sure they are ready for a long season, not sitting doing limited exercises in your living room or garden to get you up to speed for an extended season.

But apart from that it’s a good read 👍

I think he was referring to the rest period rather than fitness.

It's obvious the players won't be fit.

[OceanRain 2,845]

28 minutes ago, Dan Deacon said:

 

English

Stewart

Davie fucking Provan

We are well and truly  through the looking glass now, folks.

[backup 4,724]

2 hours ago, Howsitgoing said:

Eric Drysdale went against the wishes of the chairman and the rest of the Dundee management team and somehow managed to prevent the slip from being sent whilst allowing the rest to think it had been sent. 
He then went to work on the chairman probably with the help of others Pete/SPFL to try to force a change. Interesting alternative you’ve suggested. 

The fly in that ointment is the 3.30pm phone call to dundee from the spfl.

As far as we know , no other team received any call of a similar nature.

The efforts to nullify us have been under way since yesterday, by the simple action of various parties, msm etc highlighting how dundee can solve the mystery, there is no mystery, dundee knew what was expected of them well before 3.30pm yesterday, by interested parties within the offices of the spfl.

If we sit on things much longer we are allowing others to concoct and get their stories into order, to placate and justify to the naive.

Strike now and strike hard...otherwise we may well live to regret this day. 

[sRcFoCt 7,671]

Simple explanation IMO.

The full world just saw the corruption, we were at  the centre of the football unverise and the corruption was there for all to see, try to bury or side with it game over career wise.

Guaranteed that if there wasn't a suspension of the whole of football you would have different opinions than what is spouted.

 

[Howsitgoing 4,281]

7 minutes ago, backup said:

The fly in that ointment is the 3.30pm phone call to dundee from the spfl.

As far as we know , no other team received any call of a similar nature.

The efforts to nullify us have been under way since yesterday, by the simple action of various parties, msm etc highlighting how dundee can solve the mystery, there is no mystery, dundee knew what was expected of them well before 3.30pm yesterday, by interested parties within the offices of the spfl.

If we sit on things much longer we are allowing others to concoct and get their stories into order, to placate and justify to the naive.

Strike now and strike hard...otherwise we may well live to regret this day. 

The statement brings out a lot of questions, if the chairman was intentionally going through with spfl’s whip  then that statement wouldn’t of been giving the light of day. That’s what has got me thinking along the line of Drysdale getting involved in the slip getting sent and some how putting a stop to it. The chairman looks as if he was for the no vote up until about 6pm. 

[eejay the dj 31,964]

1 hour ago, Blue Avenger said:

I truly hope there is criminality involved here and Liewell found to be up to his neck in it, because it certainly smells like it and it will be cheerio nonce fc.

The swamps at both the SPFL and SFA badly need drained and I'm praying this is no false dawn for once.

Eight fucking years of corruption  to benefit the one as we get fucked over. 

The game in this backwater needs cleansed from top to bottom. Lift the carpet at Hampden and you'll be overcome by the stench of corruption. Looks like their broom is worn out.

Those corrupt bastards need jailed for what they've done. Let us hope the pandora's box gets well and truly opened and all their wrongdoings revealed and the guilty get their just deserves and nonce fc at the head of the queue.

BA .I think we have to be realistic .The bheasts will have every friend showing their allegiance over this .Many of the corrupt fuckers will be complicit and have their own shame to hide .They will already be circling the wagons at today’s pow wow 

The scum will have them all drilled and be reminding them of their duties 

Too many of them have complied with the bheasts over the years and I still believe ,even with the most compelling evidence .There is that much corruption towards the scum .This mob could still just ignore it with their numbers proving crucial 

I even think other forces will be called in .Sfa or even Sky will threaten to just walk away if the bheasts get punished in any way 

This is how corrupt these bastards are .Place men all over the shop 

[Dickie1963 2,356]

Do we know who the whistleblower is ?

I really dont think its Dundee.

They have been caught with their pants down.

Another club or someone within SPFL ?

I am 100% certain that Park has his information.

If we aren't going to give information to SPFL until the Independent Investigation is arranged surely they will just say there wont be an investigation then.

 

 

 

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,752]

Still cant believe amongst this all that they released the votes received by 5pm when their own vote form said "if possible" by that time. They knew fine well that wasnt a formal deadline yet released part results.

Unprecedented in my lifetime as far as I can think of any corporate voting process.

Incredible.

[Sparkle 53,611]

1 minute ago, eejay the dj said:

The bheasts will have every friend showing their allegiance over this

The exact opposite happening. They are turning on them. 

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,752]

2 minutes ago, Dickie1963 said:

Do we know who the whistleblower is ?

I really dont think its Dundee.

They have been caught with their pants down.

Another club or someone within SPFL ?

I am 100% certain that Park has his information.

If we aren't going to give information to SPFL until the Independent Investigation is arranged surely they will just say there wont be an investigation then.

 

 

 

I thought it was the ICT guy that was on the radio?

[BoydsFavouriteDonut 230]

Suspect there is a lot going on in the background between the clubs. Dundee’s silence may, in part, be because they don’t know what Rangers have. Hopefully Rangers are going round other clubs trying to build support - we’ll need that to get this off the ground. Guaranteed the SPFL chairman will have been on the phone non stop to try to isolate us. Really need some other clubs to grow some balls and speak out. 

[tina-duncan 212]

2 minutes ago, Dickie1963 said:

Do we know who the whistleblower is ?

I really dont think its Dundee.

They have been caught with their pants down.

Another club or someone within SPFL ?

I am 100% certain that Park has his information.

If we aren't going to give information to SPFL until the Independent Investigation is arranged surely they will just say there wont be an investigation then.

 

 

 

I am getting increasingly worried that the whistleblower is Gardiner and the only evidence we have is the Whatsapp chats that we've all seen. As damning as they are, celtic and the SPFL are pros at covering things up and it won't be enough to shut them down...

[Dave Hedgehog 10,673]

If Dundee don’t say anything, which alarmingly so far they haven’t, then they are digging a massive hole they may not be able to climb out of.

If they have been swayed by a bribe can they then be trusted not to take more brides in match fixing scenarios?

I certainly wouldn’t trust them, money and promises rather than the good of the game will be their king. 

Thats the reality of where the put themselves if they don’t clear their position up and their silence so far is damning.

[eejay the dj 31,964]

5 minutes ago, Sparkle said:

The exact opposite happening. They are turning on them. 

Some are turning .What I meant was ,all their corrupt friends will now out themselves by standing by them  ,even when it’s clear corruption 

[OceanRain 2,845]

15 minutes ago, backup said:

The fly in that ointment is the 3.30pm phone call to dundee from the spfl.

As far as we know , no other team received any call of a similar nature.

SPFL also phoned Hearts.

[Dickie1963 2,356]

8 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

I thought it was the ICT guy that was on the radio?

I dont think it is. 

I am hoping for more.

[Malkster 4,897]

9 hours ago, STEPPS BOY said:

His blood type is definitely Gravy.

1 too many steak pies

[kelvd1873 7,181]

2 minutes ago, OceanRain said:

SPFL also phoned Hearts.

Well they weren’t going to phone Rangers that’s for sure, phoning hearts tells me that the spfl must have thought another SPL team were on the brink of saying no? 

[backup 4,724]

3 minutes ago, Howsitgoing said:

The statement brings out a lot of questions, if the chairman was intentionally going through with spfl’s whip  then that statement wouldn’t of been giving the light of day. That’s what has got me thinking along the line of Drysdale getting involved in the slip getting sent and some how putting a stop to it. The chairman looks as if he was for the no vote up until about 6pm. 

From all that has emerged(remembering that dundee’s own proposal involved awarding celtic the title) I believe dundee are in the pay of the spfl, reporting back to them right up until and after deadline, while gaining information through whatsapp in the final hours till 5pm.

We have an advantage at this moment in time, use it or lose... release the evidence we have to the fans and the public, the law can take over after that occurs.