COVID Breach

[Malkytfp1 18,594]

26 minutes ago, Ross-Gazza genius said:

Your opinion on this is completely different to the 1 you were giving me it tight for. It's amazing how things can calm down when a week or so passes. 

Croc a shit. Your opinion was you felt sorry for them and they were not mature enough to make decisions. Your words.

I thought that was nonesence then and think it's nonesence now.

If you're going to jump in the "troll people for old posts bandwagon" at least have ground to stand on.

[DrLaudrup 4,606]

Now they are available for selection again I await the incoming SFA ban....

[stu43rigger 327]

37 minutes ago, Valance1690 said:

I'm all for sacking them however understand from a business standpoint that we can't throw assets away.

Best thing to do would be to let them train alone/together & sell them as soon as the window opens for whatever we can get for them, Zungu obviously would be a terminate.

People are very happy to let this go because it didn't lead to anything however the fact it didn't lead to anything wasn't through the players honesty or anything they done, they got caught! If whoever grassed them had waited 24 hours we'd have been looking at forfeiting a Europa League tie & possibly forfeiting (or at least playing with a weakened squad) against Dundee United.

If they've done it once there's nothing stopping them doing it again, no idea why we'd want them back around the main squad at this point in the season. 

 

Actually it was, bassey contacted the club on Sunday to confess what had happened

[Valance1690 3,826]

40 minutes ago, stu43rigger said:

Actually it was, bassey contacted the club on Sunday to confess what had happened

You mean after they got booked/fined off the plod at 10 past 1 in the morning ? lol

Admitting you've been caught is hardly something I'd be commending them for. If they hadn't I seriously doubt he'd have contacted the club to admit it before they went into training on the Monday 

[Ross-Gazza genius 1,907]

1 hour ago, Valance1690 said:

I'm all for sacking them however understand from a business standpoint that we can't throw assets away.

Best thing to do would be to let them train alone/together & sell them as soon as the window opens for whatever we can get for them, Zungu obviously would be a terminate.

People are very happy to let this go because it didn't lead to anything however the fact it didn't lead to anything wasn't through the players honesty or anything they done, they got caught! If whoever grassed them had waited 24 hours we'd have been looking at forfeiting a Europa League tie & possibly forfeiting (or at least playing with a weakened squad) against Dundee United.

If they've done it once there's nothing stopping them doing it again, no idea why we'd want them back around the main squad at this point in the season. 

 

I'm for giving them another chance or to let the manager decide. Everyone makes mistakes and if we took the stand point of "they've done it once what's to stop them doing it again" then everyone that's made a mistake in life would never move forward. 

[Ross-Gazza genius 1,907]

1 hour ago, Dickie said:

A lot of folk would say agreeing with me doesn’t make you less of an idiot

😂 Thanks for the backup 

[Malkytfp1 18,594]

1 minute ago, Ross-Gazza genius said:

I'm for giving them another chance or to let the manager decide. Everyone makes mistakes and if we took the stand point of "they've done it once what's to stop them doing it again" then everyone that's made a mistake in life would never move forward. 

You need to stop acting like this was a first offense and they hadn't been warned. They knew the actions and were already put onto a second chance thanks to Jones and Edmonson.

[Ross-Gazza genius 1,907]

1 hour ago, Malkytfp1 said:

Croc a shit. Your opinion was you felt sorry for them and they were not mature enough to make decisions. Your words.

I thought that was nonesence then and think it's nonesence now.

If you're going to jump in the "troll people for old posts bandwagon" at least have ground to stand on.

I'm not trolling, your view point is a bit strange considering how outraged you were. 

[BlueEdu 227]

1 hour ago, Dickie said:

Going elsewhere to continue their careers isn’t comparable either I don’t think.

My mistake I thought the Livingston manager was involved with football before jail Time

[Ross-Gazza genius 1,907]

1 minute ago, Malkytfp1 said:

You need to stop acting like this was a first offense and they hadn't been warned. They knew the actions and were already put onto a second chance thanks to Jones and Edmonson.

It was their first offense

[Malkytfp1 18,594]

Just now, Ross-Gazza genius said:

I'm not trolling, your view point is a bit strange considering how outraged you were. 

Are you trying to portray this that I'm wrong for being angry at these idiots for what they done?

[Ross-Gazza genius 1,907]

I'd love to know how many folk on here were sooo outraged at what happened yet had broken covid restrictions themselves. 

[Ross-Gazza genius 1,907]

1 minute ago, Malkytfp1 said:

Are you trying to portray this that I'm wrong for being angry at these idiots for what they done?

Nope, just strange you are soo forgiving now

[Malkytfp1 18,594]

2 minutes ago, Ross-Gazza genius said:

Nope, just strange you are soo forgiving now

You are mistaking forgiveness for pointing out stupid opinions saying "they are just young kids" and "they are too young to make mature decisions". 

[Lord Lockin 3,911]

2 hours ago, bluenoz said:

There is absolutely no way these players should be sacked. They are all a valuable commodity to the club. Look at Edmundson - scored for Derby last night. If he continues to do well perhaps Rooney makes a bid for him.

Patterson will be Tav's replacement within a couple of years.

Young men make mistakes. I know I did.

So at what age do you no longer class them as young men, and do you honestly think they didn't know what they were doing was wrong no matter what age they are 

[bluenoz 30,836]

3 minutes ago, Lord Lockin said:

So at what age do you no longer class them as young men, and do you honestly think they didn't know what they were doing was wrong no matter what age they are 

I actually think there may be a grey area as to whether they knowingly broke protocol. Just my opinion. It has a different feel about it than Edmundson & Jones.

A 19yr old is considered a young man. Probably just left home for the first time and suddenly making a wad of dough. The club will do everything in their power to turn them into fine adults but it's not always that clear cut.

It is time to move on...

In saying that, the SFA will probably punish them two hours before KO tomorrow.

[Valance1690 3,826]

34 minutes ago, Ross-Gazza genius said:

I'm for giving them another chance or to let the manager decide. Everyone makes mistakes and if we took the stand point of "they've done it once what's to stop them doing it again" then everyone that's made a mistake in life would never move forward. 

I'm all for people getting a 2nd chance, the argument earlier was about Martindale and how he deserves a 2nd chance. Aye fair enough I see that point, he made mistakes a long long time ago, done his time & now wants to make a life for himself, that's fair enough.

This was 10 days ago, 5 players took it upon themselves to stick 2 fingers up to the club & do something the entire country is being told not to do. They knew exactly what they were doing & knew the ramifications if they got caught (and if they didn't). They knew them turning up at training on the Monday would've meant we lose probably the entire squad for 10 days & didn't give it a 2nd thought.

Not saying ban them from football, give them the jail and ruin their life's however the idea that they just saunter back into training/the squad after 10 days & a clearly rehearsed apology is bad news. Move them on and let them have a career elsewhere is punishment enough for me, you've fucked your chance here now good luck trying at another club.

[Bad Robot 21,150]

13 minutes ago, bluenoz said:

I actually think there may be a grey area as to whether they knowingly broke protocol. Just my opinion. It has a different feel about it than Edmundson & Jones.

A 19yr old is considered a young man. Probably just left home for the first time and suddenly making a wad of dough. The club will do everything in their power to turn them into fine adults but it's not always that clear cut.

It is time to move on...

In saying that, the SFA will probably punish them two hours before KO tomorrow.

What grey area? The police gave them all on the spot fines for breaching the coronavirus regulations lockdown where more than 2 households shouldn’t be socialising. 

[Hadron Collider 30,881]

14 minutes ago, bluenoz said:

I actually think there may be a grey area as to whether they knowingly broke protocol. Just my opinion. It has a different feel about it than Edmundson & Jones.

A 19yr old is considered a young man. Probably just left home for the first time and suddenly making a wad of dough. The club will do everything in their power to turn them into fine adults but it's not always that clear cut.

It is time to move on...

In saying that, the SFA will probably punish them two hours before KO tomorrow.

At the same time the SFA have fucked it mate. They need to get their own house in order what with the officials that were refereeing outside the country and came back. 

[Bad Robot 21,150]

all need put on loan or sold at the most convenient time for the club and it’s another massive decision for SG to whether he’s a strong disciplinarian or he’s compassionate which could also be contrived as weak, and will be by our media.

[Malkytfp1 18,594]

I will get behind the management teams decision. But I find the "oh they are just young boys" excuse fucking tragic.

[bluenoz 30,836]

1 minute ago, Bad Robot said:

What grey area? The police gave them all on the spot fines for breaching the coronavirus regulations lockdown where more than 2 households shouldn’t be socialising. 

Can you honestly say you know all the covid rules mate? Cos they seem to change a lot. At least I get mixed up sometimes.

Let's just say the other five were their girlfriends for a moment. It wouldn't be outrageous for them to think they were still in a bubble even though we all know they weren't.

The details remain somewhat unclear.

Now if the other five were not their girlfriends then the guilt is unquestionable and if so, why was fringpong never questioned for a similar wrongdoing?

[stu43rigger 327]

1 hour ago, Valance1690 said:

You mean after they got booked/fined off the plod at 10 past 1 in the morning ? lol

Admitting you've been caught is hardly something I'd be commending them for. If they hadn't I seriously doubt he'd have contacted the club to admit it before they went into training on the Monday 

I wasn’t commending them and obviously if they hadn’t been caught they would never have owned up, however the point you made was “the fact it didn’t lead to anything wasn’t down to the players honesty of anything they done”, I don’t believe that’s true, just because they got caught by the police I don’t think they were under any obligation to tell the club and could have turned up as normal on Monday 

[Bad Robot 21,150]

2 minutes ago, Hadron Collider said:

At the same time the SFA have fucked it mate. They need to get their own house in order what with the officials that were refereeing outside the country and came back. 

not defending the sfa but again it’s an individual who has fkd up and it’s him who needs the penalty albeit the sfa should have refused uefa as it was a local Greek match and not a uefa tie. 
The fact that Roome was positive and he never informed madden or Stewart or the sfa he was positive tells me he’s a fkn idiot. I also ask did he not get the phone call from the track and trace and did any of them actually have the track and trace app which should have been pinging for madden and stewart 

[Lord Lockin 3,911]

24 minutes ago, bluenoz said:

I actually think there may be a grey area as to whether they knowingly broke protocol. Just my opinion. It has a different feel about it than Edmundson & Jones.

A 19yr old is considered a young man. Probably just left home for the first time and suddenly making a wad of dough. The club will do everything in their power to turn them into fine adults but it's not always that clear cut.

It is time to move on...

In saying that, the SFA will probably punish them two hours before KO tomorrow.

Five of them in the one apartment, where's the grey area there, and what relevance has " probably just left home for the first time and making wads of money " got to do with it - are you making this some kind of excuse