graeme_4 34,663 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 1 hour ago, mitre_mouldmaster said: Based on the signings we have made and including Dessers and Cifuentes who look almost certain to join, what do you expect to see as our strongest 11 come the start of the season? I would go with something like as follows: GK : Butland RB : Tav CB : Goldson (Souttar till recovered) CB : Davies (Likely be replaced before end of window) LB : Ridvan (Although I do think Beale might rate Borna more) CM : Raskin (Suspect Cifuentes might replace him though) CM : Cantwell RAM : Dowell CAM : Lammers LAM : Sima CF : Dessers Cantwell is wasted anywhere other than the CAM position. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 34,663 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Also suspect we’ll be 2 up top for the majority of games. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 65,070 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, Broxi said: A diamond/4312, what's wrong with that? 4-3-1-2 doesn't have a midfield 2 and the OP didn't use that formation, so probably that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhW 4,669 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 What a lively debate Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broxi 11,514 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Specky Non Liar - Sometimes said: 4-3-1-2 doesn't have a midfield 2 and the OP didn't use that formation, so probably that? Ah nevermind, thought I was the only one who had posted a line up, don't remember seeing that in the OP unless it was edited in later I agree that Cantwell won't/shouldn't be where he is in the OP Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 34,663 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Early doors obviously, but suspect we’ll regularly be… Butland Tav Goldson New CB Ridvan Raskin Cifuentes Cantwell Sima Dessers Lammers I think you’ll see more of that domestically, and in Europe revert to our old 4321. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nk89 1,289 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 48 minutes ago, Broxi said: Pure guesswork but I think it's shaping up that at least the intention/most likely/hopeful lineup would be the below. With the CB being Souttar/Panzo/Trusty/whoever. Butland Tavernier Goldson CB Yilmaz Raskin Cifuentes Cantwell Lammers Danilo Dessers Something like this but I think Sima might be squeezed in there somehow Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,916 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 30 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said: Its no that hard to follow mate. I think Raskin will start the season as one of our first choice midfielders, but I think that he might lose his place to Cifuentes as the season goes on. Wild take. Not your first one either tbf. If he’s fit Raskin will be a nailed on starter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,815 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Far too early to say. We'll have a better idea after Germany and as the pre season friendlies are ticked off. If players don't come in pre Germany then I think some existing players are likelier to play the early competitive games rather than the new signings ie Lundstram, Jack, Souttar. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,916 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 I don’t even think you can really predict a starting eleven these days anymore either. We will have a core that is unlikely to radically change unless there are injuries and suspensions but it’s not very often you get a team that’s unchanged from the previous game more than a few times a season. SIRB_72 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudrupsleftfoot 11,018 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Raskin to lose his place Cifuentes supposedly can’t play as a 6. He’s either box to box on the right side of a midfield three or a 10. Albertz85 and SIRB_72 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberfeldyBlue 1,558 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 56 minutes ago, G.E.C. said: Player 1 Player 2 Player 3 Player 4 Player 5 Player 6 Player 7 Player 8 Player 9 Player 10 Player 11 Undecided on a formation. player 5 isnt fit and 10.. are you mad?? Darth Bear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 74,190 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Raskin to lose his place .Williamson., The Godfather, JackAlex93 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIRB_72 4,002 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Ideally Butland, Tav, Goldson, Souttar (hopefully another CB), Yilmaz, Raskin, Cifuentes, Cantwell, Lammers, Sima and Dessers should Cifu and Dessers signn. That would be in a flexible 4-3-3. However we're in such a strange league that the best team for one game isn't necesarily the best for the next. Ross County at home is different from Hearts away which is different from any game against celtic which is different from any European game. The most important thing is we have a flexible squad that has players that can do different roles at different time. The perfect example and the peak of that was 20/21. From the profile we're signing it looks like we can go from a 433 with 3 different kinds of midfields to a more defensive shape like against celtic, 4231, 4132 and a 442 diamond. Tbh I'm pretty excited going into next season with all the potential variations and styles we'll have under Beale. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIRB_72 4,002 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 57 minutes ago, Laudrupsleftfoot said: Raskin to lose his place Cifuentes supposedly can’t play as a 6. He’s either box to box on the right side of a midfield three or a 10. Absolutely. He's definetely closer to an Arfield replacement than a Kamara replacement! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,815 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 We want and need Beale to be signing starting 11 quality. Time will tell if he is but I think there's a good few already there who'll make it difficult to be ignored. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,916 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 55 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said: Raskin to lose his place Dropped for Allan Campbell IMHO. OhW, STEPPS BOY and ForeverAndEver 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,952 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Raskin & Cifu will dominate Scottish football, with Cantwell further forward. Who plays up front is harder to predict, especially when/if Roofe and Lawrence are fit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 74,190 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 43 minutes ago, BlueSuedeSambas said: Dropped for Allan Campbell IMHO. Ties in well with homegrown rule etc etc BlueSuedeSambas 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeRab 2,779 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 1 hour ago, SIRB_72 said: Ideally Butland, Tav, Goldson, Souttar (hopefully another CB), Yilmaz, Raskin, Cifuentes, Cantwell, Lammers, Sima and Dessers should Cifu and Dessers signn. That would be in a flexible 4-3-3. However we're in such a strange league that the best team for one game isn't necesarily the best for the next. Ross County at home is different from Hearts away which is different from any game against celtic which is different from any European game. The most important thing is we have a flexible squad that has players that can do different roles at different time. The perfect example and the peak of that was 20/21. From the profile we're signing it looks like we can go from a 433 with 3 different kinds of midfields to a more defensive shape like against celtic, 4231, 4132 and a 442 diamond. Tbh I'm pretty excited going into next season with all the potential variations and styles we'll have under Beale. The flexibility has probably helped us in Europe. Not sure it’s a pre-requisite to success domestically. celtic last few years have basically played the exact same way/formation. Set up in a style that overwhelms the dross, show them no respect and do one play style very well. (Equally fucks them in Europe). Beale did a lot of tinkering but more so towards the end. Be interesting to see anyways Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIRB_72 4,002 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 1 hour ago, OrangeRab said: The flexibility has probably helped us in Europe. Not sure it’s a pre-requisite to success domestically. celtic last few years have basically played the exact same way/formation. Set up in a style that overwhelms the dross, show them no respect and do one play style very well. (Equally fucks them in Europe). Beale did a lot of tinkering but more so towards the end. Be interesting to see anyways Nothing is a pre requisite in this league. I'd say postecoglu goes against trend of Gerrard, Lennon, Rodgers or Smith who were all flexible in their approach and squads. OrangeRab 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertz85 944 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 6 hours ago, mitre_mouldmaster said: Based on the signings we have made and including Dessers and Cifuentes who look almost certain to join, what do you expect to see as our strongest 11 come the start of the season? I would go with something like as follows: GK : Butland RB : Tav CB : Goldson (Souttar till recovered) CB : Davies (Likely be replaced before end of window) LB : Ridvan (Although I do think Beale might rate Borna more) CM : Raskin (Suspect Cifuentes might replace him though) CM : Cantwell RAM : Dowell CAM : Lammers LAM : Sima CF : Dessers Surely Raskin aint getting dropped hammer93 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 65,070 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 14 minutes ago, Albertz85 said: Surely Raskin aint getting dropped The OP is probably the only person on the site who thinks that's a possibility Rangers_no1, STEPPS BOY, Albertz85 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6superbarry6 14,162 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Butland Tav Goldson Trusty Yilmaz Raskin Cifuentes Lammers Cantwell Sima Dessers Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ready1873 3,887 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 1 minute ago, 6superbarry6 said: Butland Tav Goldson Trusty Yilmaz Raskin Cifuentes Dessers Cantwell Sima Dessers Dessers that good he's playing two positions? Albertz85 and ForeverAndEver 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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