graeme_4 34,527 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Pena's an odd case. There's talent in there, but he's only shown it in flashes. I don't think we've spent anything like £3m on him. I'd be shocked if we had. But the figure seems to be rising and rising everytime he has a bad touch. Also seen him described as 'the worst Rangers signing in history' on here which is hilarious so over the top, and some have short memories. He's being used as a stick to beat Pedro with. I've never seen a player targeted so much by a commentary team as was the case on Friday. It was a disgrace, Butcher in particular. He's not sharp or contributing enough yet, but I'd rather rally behind a guy that's struggling than slaughter him like Sutton, Butcher and co. Might just be me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbGER 24,518 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Pena has been pretty shite but has probably contributed more in goals and assists than Holt did the whole of last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 5 minutes ago, graeme_4 said: Pena's an odd case. There's talent in there, but he's only shown it in flashes. I don't think we've spent anything like £3m on him. I'd be shocked if we had. But the figure seems to be rising and rising everytime he has a bad touch. Also seen him described as 'the worst Rangers signing in history' on here which is hilarious so over the top, and some have short memories. He's being used as a stick to beat Pedro with. I've never seen a player targeted so much by a commentary team as was the case on Friday. It was a disgrace, Butcher in particular. He's not sharp or contributing enough yet, but I'd rather rally behind a guy that's struggling than slaughter him like Sutton, Butcher and co. Might just be me. I think we probably have spent close to 3-million on him, no proof just a gut feeling but you are right on the rest - to say he's our worst signing ever is just the type of bonkers hyperbole you see. People are saying he's shite, is he fuck - he's been alright without hitting any great heights. However if he doesn't get any better or improve, then Pedro will rightly get slaughtered for wasting what little we have on a big purchase like him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenerife Bear 1,748 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, plumbGER said: Pena has been pretty shite but has probably contributed more in goals and assists than Holt did the whole of last season. He absolutely has. Scary that wee Holt survived the cull in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeeFour 43 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 8 minutes ago, graeme_4 said: Also seen him described as 'the worst Rangers signing in history' on here which is hilarious so over the top, and some have short memories. There is no way Pena is worse than Senderos. I was always so scared when that cunt ended up with the ball. It amazes me how he looked as if he never played a pro game in his life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbGER 24,518 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Tenerife Bear said: He absolutely has. Scary that wee Holt survived the cull in the summer. I think he is a handy wee player to have around the team and does seem a good team player, he is very limited as a player though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenerife Bear 1,748 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 31 minutes ago, plumbGER said: I think he is a handy wee player to have around the team and does seem a good team player, he is very limited as a player though. Ultimately not good enough to play for us though. celtic's subs for example are Israeli international Biton or young Callum McGregor who comes in and scores goals a plenty for them from midfield, Holt is nowhere near that level. He's just a Kilmarnock level player, bottom 6/lower league. We need far better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan_rfc 24 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Bigdave30 said: There is defo a player in there somewhere, I think people underestimate how much the big change of climate/culture can affect a player. look at the amount of players that have bombed coming from Spain and Italy with big reputations to England because they can't live with a bit of rain and a language barrier. If pedro judged him on what we see in the video it's hard to fault the manager for thinking we were getting an attacking minded player who gets things done in and around the box which is something we sorely missed under the breadman. Hope we didn't buy him based on a video lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,089 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 1 hour ago, ZeeFour said: There is no way Pena is worse than Senderos. I was always so scared when that cunt ended up with the ball. It amazes me how he looked as if he never played a pro game in his life. SENDEROS was scared when he ended up with the ball!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,089 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 1 hour ago, K.A.I said: I think we probably have spent close to 3-million on him, no proof just a gut feeling but you are right on the rest - to say he's our worst signing ever is just the type of bonkers hyperbole you see. People are saying he's shite, is he fuck - he's been alright without hitting any great heights. However if he doesn't get any better or improve, then Pedro will rightly get slaughtered for wasting what little we have on a big purchase like him. Apparently nowhere near that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoGeo7 10,517 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 33 minutes ago, ryan_rfc said: Hope we didn't buy him based on a video lol Pedro was at Laguna when Pena was at his peak, so pretty safe to say he wasn’t watching YouTube videos on him to make a decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 5 minutes ago, johanhentze said: Apparently nowhere near that. What have you been told and from where? not being cheeky, genuinely interested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,089 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, K.A.I said: What have you been told and from where? not being cheeky, genuinely interested. Thats just what I heard. I would be very surprised if we had spent anywhere near that amount anyway. I suppose the accounts will show it either way. BTW - not trying to swerve your question...but I cannot remember who told me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnberry18 3,204 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 9 minutes ago, johanhentze said: Apparently nowhere near that. I just cannot believe we would have spent that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbGER 24,518 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 57 minutes ago, Tenerife Bear said: Ultimately not good enough to play for us though. celtic's subs for example are Israeli international Biton or young Callum McGregor who comes in and scores goals a plenty for them from midfield, Holt is nowhere near that level. He's just a Kilmarnock level player, bottom 6/lower league. We need far better. Yeah true enough, we need to aim higher as much as i like the wee guy. Only mentioned him because i can see a clamour starting to build to have him included after a decent sub performance vs Hamilton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueThunder 8,453 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Pena obviously has talent. Some fantastic passes, even in the last game. Some terrible touches too. However for folk to state he is 'pish' is disingenuous as no-one has a clue why he can look so good and poor at (almost) the same time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddiqi_drinker 14,635 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Turnberry18 said: I just cannot believe we KING would have spent that. SORTED Folk need to lay off Pena till we see what the guy has to offer, my biggest concern is not his aptitude but his attitude especially when we get into winter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigdave30 8,701 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 12 hours ago, ryan_rfc said: Hope we didn't buy him based on a video lol Haha hopefully not, If our scouts and Pedro have seen similar to performances to the ones in the video you can hardly blame them for taking a punt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,610 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I just can't see it with Pena even his positioning on the pitch at times makes him look like he's never played above amateur level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markem 7,285 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 imo He struggling to adapt to the time (lack of) he will be afforded on the ball. I think it's fair enough he has to adjust to that however that has to now happen sooner rather than later. I haven't seen anyone say it however anyone that suggests he's amongst our worst signings ever must be around 1 year old. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman36 3,455 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 14 hours ago, Jimbeamjunior said: all players come with an element of risk, we tried the british players nonsense last season and it was shite, we try something different and we dont even give it proper time to work out or not True. Thing is it's early days and he might come good. I've certainly not written him off yet, but the start he's made has not impressed, and it's concerning that his attitude hasn't looked right so far. I'm saying we shouldn't be taking such a big risk on our biggest spend in years. Plus he's 27, if we're going to take a risk on a player it should be a younger prospect who's value might increase rapidly after a good season or two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
docspiderman 1,228 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 14 minutes ago, Smile said: I just can't see it with Pena even his positioning on the pitch at times makes him look like he's never played above amateur level. That is how I see it s well; I expect a professional footballer to be able to control a moving ball which comes straight to him, something which seems way beyond his abilities. Watching his movement leaves me baffled, I am thinking why most of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffbear 4,096 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Imho I feel Pena will come good if given time .. We're only into october . If hes still struggling at xmas then we should look to move on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhW 4,669 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 hour ago, markem said: I haven't seen anyone say it however anyone that suggests he's amongst our worst signings ever must be around 1 year old. I think there is a distinction to be made between worst player ever and worst signing ever. If Pena doesn't improve he could go down as our biggest waste of money in years, but people like Senderos were actually horrific to watch on the pitch. Depending on how much we paid Barton he could be a contender for our biggest waste of money in years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markem 7,285 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, OhW said: I think there is a distinction to be made between worst player ever and worst signing ever. If Pena doesn't improve he could go down as our biggest waste of money in years, but people like Senderos were actually horrific to watch on the pitch. Depending on how much we paid Barton he could be a contender for our biggest waste of money in years. That's a fair point - I remain hopeful the guy will go on to be a player for us. Ever the (blind) optimist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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