Hastie and McCrorie update

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4 hours ago, bluenoz said:

So with Dorrans & Rossiter been told they are surplus and with pretty damning remarks from the gaffer on McCrorie, does that mean Docherty has made the team as the sixth midfielder?

Davis, Kamara, and Jack can all play that sitting role in front of the defense.  Arfield, Aribo and Docherty as box-to-box options would be good as they can all offer something going forward.

Dorrans, Holt, and Rossiter have already been told to find new clubs.  Loaning McCrorie out for game time would make sense IMO.  

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It has to be a loan to another club in the league. St Johnstone, Livingston that kind of team. 

Hearts have Haring in that position, they need another if Djoum doesn’t sign on for another season but he’ll no start over Haring, Hearts have a hard on for him. 

St Johnstone would be my preference. 

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13 minutes ago, Prso's headband said:

It has to be a loan to another club in the league. St Johnstone, Livingston that kind of team. 

Hearts have Haring in that position, they need another if Djoum doesn’t sign on for another season but he’ll no start over Haring, Hearts have a hard on for him. 

St Johnstone would be my preference. 

I disagree, i think the top championship team in Scotland would be best, mccrorie has to get game time but it has to be in a dominating team, pointless him going to a team who will have the ball less than we will when he comes back to us, 

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1 minute ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

I disagree, i think the top championship team in Scotland would be best, mccrorie has to get game time but it has to be in a dominating team, pointless him going to a team who will have the ball less than we will when he comes back to us, 

Problem with the championship is there’s probably about 4 teams that can win it haha, it’s so even. Ayr, Dundee, Dundee Utd and ICT could all win it IMO. Even then they teams won’t be going to Dunfermline or Partick and dominating the ball. We’re no sending him to Utd, ICT have the ball in the air most of the time. Dundee are signing players daily and I’m not sure he’d go back to Ayr tbh. 

It’s a difficult one, ideally he improves his possession game on loan but we still want him to develop his defensive abilities at the same time. 

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I think there comes a point where people need to play football every week.

Learning from other pro's and watching them do stuff in training is all very well and good, but he needs to be making decisions for himself in match situations.

Like the red card he got in the cup a season or two ago, hes never going to be able to "learn from that in training" or deal with a striker who is fighting like fuck to get a goal in against him.

 A loan to another premiership team or championship team in England, maybe the time away from home would help him like it did with Docherty, and then see how he does.

There are 100s of examples of players going on loan before coming back to cement a place in the team, maybe not Rangers specific examples, but I think thats more to do with the clubs we send them to!

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2 hours ago, STEPPS BOY said:

I’d like McCrorie to stay.

He’s different to the rest of midfielders we have and there will be some games we need him in.

If he does stay then dont see the point of another CH as he could fill in if required and we’d still have Goldson, Katic and Edmundson.

Can't see him going back in defence. 

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12 hours ago, Sash tap said:

I’d look to loan him out to a club like Hearts.

McCrorie has a lot to offer but he isn’t Gerard’s type of midfielder - we’ve known this for a while now.

He also isn’t as poor on the ball as made out.

If we've an over abundance of players , and we are a bit top heavy right now , it's time we use the system the way the tarriers do .

If it's a loan , then loan them out to one of our rivals where they can play against the top 4/5 teams and help take points off them , but  as they can't play against us , it means rejigging their team .

c....c have been using this for years to their benefit , particularly with aberdeen and hibs . 

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15 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said:

Can't see him going back in defence. 

It would only be in an emergency.

Don’t see the point in signing another centre half as a squad filler.

I Still think if we continue to pursue a Centre half that it is someone to play beside Goldson in first 11.

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6 hours ago, eskbankloyal said:

McCrorie needs to go to a decent level and play of else a loan is pointless. 

If its to be a loan the question then becomes what would be a decent level for the player. 

A club in the SPFL?  A club in the Scottish Championship …. if its that then I can't recall any player who has gone there and come back a better player and then gone on to become a regular first team player at Rangers.  Going there looks to me like it'd be a staging post on the way out of Ibrox.  

A club in the English Championship or League 1?  Again if its loaned out to a club in one of these leagues is there any track record at all of players returning so improved that they make it into the Rangers first team squad never mind making it as a regular first team player?

Presumably it all depends on the fireside chat Gerrard has with the player but the smoke signals coming from the various bits of messaging seem to me that the player is more likely to exit either directly to another club or via the scenic route of loan transfers.     Which would be a pity as I thought he had what it takes to be not just a first team regular but also to grow into being a key player for Rangers. 

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1 hour ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

I disagree, i think the top championship team in Scotland would be best, mccrorie has to get game time but it has to be in a dominating team, pointless him going to a team who will have the ball less than we will when he comes back to us, 

It’s even more pointless sending him to a team, a level below, full of hammer throwers where the ball doesn’t touch the deck. Even dominating teams in the championship share the possession the majority of the time. 

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11 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said:

It would only be in an emergency.

Don’t see the point in signing another centre half as a squad filler.

I Still think if we continue to pursue a Centre half that it is someone to play beside Goldson in first 11.

My thinking as well, which worries me tbh. 

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2 minutes ago, King Jela said:

My thinking as well, which worries me tbh. 

I don’t think Gerrard is entirely convinced by Katic.

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17 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said:

I don’t think Gerrard is entirely convinced by Katic.

Me neither and it does genuinely make me doubt him tbh. Can see him making the same mistake as last season and if he does, well, hell mend him. 

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15 hours ago, bluenoz said:

Personally, I'm not a big believer in the loan system. I would rather train next to Defoe in the best facilities in the world than learn my trade at Alloa. I believe I would've  become a better player without actually playing. When I was young like Ross, this would have been my choice. Rossiter went out on loan and where did that get him despite getting ten MOTM awards.

I'm  not sure the 'art' of bringing through young professionals is about coaching & training, at least once they get to a certain age, say, 18-21. You kinda assume that if the club has done even the slightest amount of homework on the club they are loaning to then the loanee will get passable coaching at the club he moves to. I think the loan system is a way of keeping young players on the books and hoping they develop into senior pros. It's notoriously difficult to predict which youth players will kick on to top class pros and which ones will fall by the wayside.

Chelsea have dozens of youth players out on loan. Not every one of them will become EPL class. Loaning them out ensures Chelsea will have every opportunity of seeing which ones will make the grade before releasing them or not. 

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The problem with Mcrorie is that he simply is not a modern midfield player.He is a good athlete with the heart of a lion ,but really that's his lot.The boy was a right back for the majority of his young career,and a cracking one at that.He was shoved into an old firm game and played well in an ultra negative role and all of a sudden he was our own Busquets.Gerrard is wrong in this one,the boy is a defender and always has been.Get him back to where he is most comfortable Stevie

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I'd like McCrorie to remain part of the squad but we do need to cut the numbers somewhere

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9 minutes ago, ronniemca said:

The problem with Mcrorie is that he simply is not a modern midfield player.He is a good athlete with the heart of a lion ,but really that's his lot.The boy was a right back for the majority of his young career,and a cracking one at that.He was shoved into an old firm game and played well in an ultra negative role and all of a sudden he was our own Busquets.Gerrard is wrong in this one,the boy is a defender and always has been.Get him back to where he is most comfortable Stevie

I 100% agree with that. He is never a midfield player.

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18 minutes ago, ronniemca said:

The problem with Mcrorie is that he simply is not a modern midfield player.He is a good athlete with the heart of a lion ,but really that's his lot.The boy was a right back for the majority of his young career,and a cracking one at that.He was shoved into an old firm game and played well in an ultra negative role and all of a sudden he was our own Busquets.Gerrard is wrong in this one,the boy is a defender and always has been.Get him back to where he is most comfortable Stevie

He wasn’t our Busquets considering he played centre back in his first old firm.

He started to play in midfield when we played Aberdeen twice in a row and throughout the December

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5 hours ago, TartanTeddy said:

If we get through to the group stages in Europe then McCrorie becomes a key squad player - great at sitting just in front of the back four to break up play and add strength to the midfield particularly against stronger teams away from home.

Plus, who else do we have to go in goals when shagger loses the plot  😃

Spot on mate. Even away to aberdeen or hibs he can come in and do that battling job that needs to be done in these games. He's a specialist game player it just depends if he is happy with that. He was effectively a squad player last season and still got 30+ games which for a 20yo at Rangers is a good number of games.

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I’d be really sorry to see McCrorie being sent out on loan. I’ve heard Stevie G doesn’t rate him but I can’t agree with our manager on this.To me McCrorie would play every week

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4 minutes ago, islandblue said:

I’d be really sorry to see McCrorie being sent out on loan. I’ve heard Stevie G doesn’t rate him but I can’t agree with our manager on this.To me McCrorie would play every week

He does rate him and describes him as a future captain of Rangers.

He's just not got the quality required to be a Rangers midfielder. Well suited against the taigs breaking up play etc but in the games we dominate he's not really effective 

 

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It's difficult for anyone who spent his whole career to date playing as a defender to come into midfield and be effective in anything but ball winning.If you watch Ross when he gets on the ball in tight areas he struggles to get his head up and see the picture.This is an essential part of any good midfield players game and it doesn't come naturally to anyone who has spent their life "facing Play"

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5 hours ago, Prso's headband said:

Problem with the championship is there’s probably about 4 teams that can win it haha, it’s so even. Ayr, Dundee, Dundee Utd and ICT could all win it IMO. Even then they teams won’t be going to Dunfermline or Partick and dominating the ball. We’re no sending him to Utd, ICT have the ball in the air most of the time. Dundee are signing players daily and I’m not sure he’d go back to Ayr tbh. 

It’s a difficult one, ideally he improves his possession game on loan but we still want him to develop his defensive abilities at the same time. 

If he went to the championship and helped keep those Arab bastards down I'd be very happy. 

Sending him to a team in the SPL that he will improve and be a regular at would be my preference. Do what the taigs have been doing for years. 

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4 hours ago, Reformation Bear said:

If its to be a loan the question then becomes what would be a decent level for the player. 

A club in the SPFL?  A club in the Scottish Championship …. if its that then I can't recall any player who has gone there and come back a better player and then gone on to become a regular first team player at Rangers.  Going there looks to me like it'd be a staging post on the way out of Ibrox.  

A club in the English Championship or League 1?  Again if its loaned out to a club in one of these leagues is there any track record at all of players returning so improved that they make it into the Rangers first team squad never mind making it as a regular first team player?

Presumably it all depends on the fireside chat Gerrard has with the player but the smoke signals coming from the various bits of messaging seem to me that the player is more likely to exit either directly to another club or via the scenic route of loan transfers.     Which would be a pity as I thought he had what it takes to be not just a first team regular but also to grow into being a key player for Rangers. 

Preferably a top 6 side in Scotland or English Championship if staying in the UK. 

A club abroad would be good for him though in terms of improving his passing etc 

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3 hours ago, eskbankloyal said:

Preferably a top 6 side in Scotland or English Championship if staying in the UK. 

A club abroad would be good for him though in terms of improving his passing etc 

Cruz Azul here we come  !!