mabawsa 888 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Its not just about one players word against another its also about how convincing a witness you are.I presume Tonev was a poor witness.I remember being at "Diversity Training" and we were told that if an accusation of Racism is made the onus is on you to disprove it, there is a presumption of guilt until then.Oh goody. Looks like title stripping is back Is Vogue again........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goal machine 7,810 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 At the first hearing, it's not as if they just flipped a coin. They sat through hours of points and evidence from both sides and then they made their decision. They need to release a report as the FA do but that would involve the SFA being transparent.Also, every team signed up for this system - yes, that includes Celtic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HG5 11,258 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 it was a live TV game, I believe there are more cameras at Celtic Park than any other stadium in Scotland, there will also be mics all over the place, That's brilliant - did you mean it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,567 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Why doesn't he just tell us what it was?Did he call him a "digger" or "back b*****""?What non-racist term of abuse that sounds like a racist term of abuse did he use?To be honest, I reckon this is more about ceptic's PR and image than Tonev's supposed innocence. I think the scum may just be overplaying their hand on this one, perhaps initially questioning the player, who then felt he had to admit he abused him, while claiming that it wasn't racist but might just sound a little bit racist.I suspect that this is all merely another case of brushing it under the carpet, rather than a quest for justice for a loan player, who I now suspect will be punted back to his contracted club to distance the shame, after it's been kicked into the long grass.There's nomdoubt whatsoever in my mind this is all about the sellic brand. Same as the turning of the microscope in the Hearts case.Has to be said, though, they're good at it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight-Edge-Loyal 6,696 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Is this racist prick in jail yet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlegKuznetsov 10,816 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 There's nomdoubt whatsoever in my mind this is all about the sellic brand. Same as the turning of the microscope in the Hearts case.Has to be said, though, they're good at it.The propaganda handbook was copied from Sinn Fein a long, long time ago. The old "it's not sectarian. It's political." argument is a tired tactic peddled by both scummy organisations. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
linfield1690 4,249 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 That's brilliant - did you mean it? belter Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlands plater 16,990 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Thats where "beyond reasonable doubt" cones into itTonev claims he called logan something that sounds similar to a racial slurMaybe Logan hit a long ball that went out of play and Tonev said it was "a slack punt"? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKingObv 10,648 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Thats where "beyond reasonable doubt" cones into itTonev claims he called logan something that sounds similar to a racial slurThe panel doesn't use 'beyond reasonable doubt'That's a criminal court. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NixonRFC 1,392 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 That's brilliant - did you mean it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertContraband 282 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Dave Whelan has contacted Celtic for legal advice... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Educator 1,572 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 So when does Tonev return to is parent club? If it's he January window then you can expect the powers that be to back down as they probably wouldn't want to ruffle feathers with another football authority. Tbh, I wouldn't put it past them to have put this forward in the hope that the judgement is turned over and as soon as it is they'll announce that he's here till May. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlegKuznetsov 10,816 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 This is going to turn out to be that he did say something racist, but it's not meant as racist where he's from, as almost everyone uses the term in his homeland. That'll be where this one goes after the old "it might have sounded racist, but it's not racist" defence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummiesoot 16,035 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 This is going to turn out to be that he did say something racist, but it's not meant as racist where he's from, as almost everyone uses the term in his homeland. That'll be where this one goes after the old "it might have sounded racist, but it's not racist" defence.Like Suarez defence that did not work? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DietofWorms 2,063 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tontospal 1,116 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Question for those sticking up for the alleged racist. Why would Logan lie about the incident? He has nothing to gain from making up such a claim and if he has made it up why pick the Bulgarian? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markem 7,291 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Pretty sure he was just checking with Logan if he thought he had racially abused him. What?Been done?£30 software in that case. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,384 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 It seems the victim has been forgotten in all of this due to the sickening PR drive and I also don't think the guy just made it up on the spot.Has the victim not got his own charge to go up on regarding an incident that happenned a few weeks later? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1872 20,866 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Toenail loses appeal Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlegKuznetsov 10,816 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Aleksandar Tonev loses appeal against racial abuse banCeltic's Aleksandar Tonev has lost his appeal against a seven-match ban for racially abusing Aberdeen's Shay Logan.A Scottish Football Association appeal tribunal have upheld October'soriginal guilty verdict against the Bulgarian.That judicial panel found on loan Aston Villa winger Tonev, 24, guilty of using "offensive, insulting and abusive language of a racist nature" towards the Aberdeen defender.A tribunal heard appeal submissions on the player's behalf on 4 December.On Tuesday, Celtic manager Ronny Deila continued to back his player. He reiterated the club's intention to take their appeal as far as necessary.Earlier this month, Deila said: "We don't believe Aleksandar is a racist."It's been word against word and they are thinking the other guy is telling the truth and Tonev is lying - and, for me, that's not how a court should be."For me, it should be real proof. This is a very serious accusation and you have to absolutely know you're right."If it's still going to go on and there's no proof, we will have to do everything we can to help Alex."The members of the tribunal adjourned to consider the evidence and have now published a 3,500-word document outlining how they came to their decision.Tonev joined Celtic on loan from Villa in August, with the incident with Logan taking place in a Scottish Premiership match at Celtic Park in September.During the match, Logan complained to referee Bobby Madden that Tonev had made a racist remark towards him and also reported it to Dons captain Mark Reynolds.I'm actually surprised that the SFA haven't given them an out here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsleftboot 5,512 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 So it's off to CAS then? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight-Edge-Loyal 6,696 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 So it's off to CAS then? Tonev will be back to Villa then the racist prick that he is Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsleftboot 5,512 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Tonev will be back to Villa then the racist prick that he isMr Tonev, let me introduce you to Mr Benteke. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight-Edge-Loyal 6,696 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Mr Tonev, let me introduce you to Mr Benteke.And Messers Agbonlahor and Okora as well as Delph Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 109,502 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I don't think tonev is a racist tbh, he's never made one racist statement at our local KKK meetings Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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