OceanRain 2,845 Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, backup said: It matters that they claim they did. Not unless there's evidence to support the No vote was received by the SPFL or an email showing a time Dundee sent it. "Claiming" they did anything is irrelevant. Hence a full independent investigation is required. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,836 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Brian Fantana said: It’s going to be a no vote regardless, they didn’t have to vote by 5pm. I agree it will now but last night they were bribing them to change it before they became exposed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacBoyd 5,438 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, The Dude said: It does when they say they have, then say they wont resubmit it and now see a 'negotiation opportunity' Have they actually said this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbear 10,913 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Bearsden bear said: Just listened to it there, wow!. Good to hear Stewart and English castigating the spfl too. Thats what needs to happen to force change. The media can keep the bad press rolling and build the pressure highlighting how at best amateurish (but more likely corrupt) the spfl are. Where can I listen to this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
backup 4,724 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 If the club are serious about going all the way, they need to make a complaint to the police now, get an order asap tonight, to impound all dundees office equipment, deny any dundee employee admittance until potential evidence is removed, by the police. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog 10,673 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Brian Fantana said: How can they bribe Dundee? Bribe them with what? League reconstruction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crabbit247 784 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Given the fact that you have the Stewart and Englishes of this world trying to get on the right side of the argument is very interesting to me. These guys don't normally weigh up things logically. Normally it's a myopic response that boils down to Rangers = bad. Is it possible that in this instance, the arrogance of those in office at the spfl, and obviously those manky cunts, have been too obvious. And even the BBC rent a quote pricks know that they can't toe that line. I really hope so. I really hope that our board has the balls to stay the course with this. And it would be nice if a few other clubs stick their head above the parapet as well and we can create serious change in this corrupt set up that we currently have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 42,708 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, OceanRain said: That's already taking place as you and I type this back and forth to one another. Doncaster won't simply resign. Guaranteed. They can talk away to each other all they want. They still dont know what the evidence is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 10 minutes ago, OceanRain said: No way to settle this other than the investigation being called for by ourselves. SPFL will stick to their guns that a screenshot of a ballot is not the same as submitting a ballot. Dundee will remain silent. The scum probably advised them too IMO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prso's headband 35,446 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 What also seems to have been missed is the SPFL haven’t denied anything, just asking for evidence to see if they’ve been caught 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said: How can they bribe Dundee? Bribe them with what? This: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8207379/Dundee-bid-halt-promotion-hopes-city-rivals-Dundee-United.html Dundee could move to torpedo the promotion hopes of city rivals Dundee United as part of an alternative plan to end the SPFL season. Clubs will vote by 5pm Friday on a proposal by the league board to call the Championship, League One and League Two campaigns based on current standings and pay prize money to stricken lower league clubs immediately. If passed celtic then could be crowned Premiership champions later this month - with Hearts relegated. Rangers have branded the plans 'abhorrent' and joined Hearts owner Ann Budge in launching a challenge. No decision will be made on the Scottish Premiership until UEFA's executive meeting has been held on April 23. The ruling for the second, third and fourth tiers to be stopped immediately and decided on the points-per-game basis needs to be approved by 10 out of the 12 Scottish Premier League teams, eight out of the 10 Championship sides and 15 out of the 20 League One and Two outfits. Opposition is strong in the Championship where clubs discussed the issue by conference call on Thursday. Eight of the 10 second tier clubs must vote in favour of the plan - with Partick Thistle, Inverness and Dundee all preparing to vote 'no'. And Dens chief John Nelms is working on a plan B broadly similar to the current proposals - but with promotion and relegation scrapped. Under the current resolution Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers would be promoted as winners of their respective leagues - with Hearts, Partick Thistle and Stranraer relegated. And rival chairmen believe the Nelms proposal to suspend promotion and relegation is driven by a desire to preserve the income from Tayside derbies by keeping Dundee United in the Championship for another season. Those proposals could allay most of the concerns of the current Championship naysayers - but create new pockets of resistence elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 42,708 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Dave Hedgehog said: League reconstruction. And money. Why do you think the chairman told them to hold resending the vote.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
British_Empire 9,648 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Brian Fantana said: How can they bribe Dundee? Bribe them with what? I don't know if you're being serious. Potential league reconstruction would be one. Money another. There's teams that's leaked info to English, Gardiner, Rangers and BBC in general that they feel pressured into voting the way the SPFL want because they have competition monies over them as a hold and told them voting the way they want is the ONLY way to get the monies due. For reasons I don't know. You can even replace the word bribe and apply duress to it and the principle is the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterRW&Blue 1 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 16 minutes ago, eskbankloyal said: Here is Dundee’s vote. the question is, was it sent? The two pictures of the Dundee vote are different, one with a tick, one with an X??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 42,708 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Prso's headband said: What also seems to have been missed is the SPFL haven’t denied anything, just asking for evidence to see if they’ve been caught 😂 Because the chairman is a dirty taig and knows Doncaster and Lawwell have been bullying club members. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lockin 3,911 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, pcbear said: Where can I listen to this? I found it on Bears Den, no sure where, makes good listening Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Prso's headband said: I also find it amazing that in Scottish football we’ve been portrayed as the bad guys for the last decade, everyone firmly in the tarriers camp for the good of the game. It’s took these clubs 10 years to realise the tarriers have ensured a monopoly on every position in power in Scottish football. When was the last time 3 separate clubs have said they agree with everything Rangers have said so far? It’s a start at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prso's headband 35,446 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 They can’t continue with this now. As soon as Dundee realised the SPFL hadn’t counted their no vote they realised how much they stood to gain from not resubmitting so it’s pure corruption from that point on. The SPFL would’ve knew this and a few sweetners Dundees way would work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, backup said: If the club are serious about going all the way, they need to make a complaint to the police now, get an order asap tonight, to impound all dundees office equipment, deny any dundee employee admittance until potential evidence is removed, by the police. That would be a shout . That would have to be after corruption or fraud was declared. However i don't think Dundee polis would be in too much of a hurry me finx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Deacon 55,203 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, pcbear said: Where can I listen to this? Is it this you want Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbear 10,913 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, magic8ball said: It’s true ,when appointed it was suggested that there was a conflict of interests,guess what SPFL came back and said they had investigated the claim and were happy for him to be appointed as there was no conflict of interest 🤪 That must have been a right thorough investigation going along the lines of " Here Neil ask Peter if this cunts awright" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 82,205 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, WalterRW&Blue said: The two pictures of the Dundee vote are different, one with a tick, one with an X??? You think it was ms paint mate aye? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,906 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 I'm probably gonae go against what most would think I'd think about this but, For me Partick thistle are being shafted beyond belief here, 2 points behind with a game in hand. But they've to go down, where is the sporting integrity in that? Then you've falkirk a point behind with it all to play for and a last day of the season match vs raith at the falkirk stadium, but they've to stay down and Raith up. Then there's the teams in the play off in the championship who on their game could beat a St mirren or Hamilton but have to stay down. Then there's hearts who can still catch the teams above them Airdrie and montrose can win their league as well if Raith and falkirk stutter. Take off looking at it in our shoes, look at the rest of these teams. It's a fucking disgrace Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 To think as well if this does bring them down it’s all over a title everyone but them would consider worthless. Oh the Irony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie1963 2,352 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said: How can they bribe Dundee? Bribe them with what? Good point. Access to trialists. League reconstruction to have a 16 team top league which would get them promoted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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