The other mob

[esquire8 45,148]

28 minutes ago, Somemightsay7 said:

No it's not, Jota left in July.

It is actually included in their profits for whatever reason.

[don logan 8,227]

7 hours ago, Somemightsay7 said:

No it's not, Jota left in July.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66848677

 

[JackAlex93 12,502]

We are a shambles compared to the way they run Celtic. Winning the league is imperative alone for financial reasons 

[Inigo 33,322]

Am I right in thinking there will be exaggerated difference in income between us and them because we both take in retail cash differently. Theirs is posted as turnover whereas ours is posted as lump sum profits? Also because they have higher player sale income? And because of their larger ground?

He says hopefully. Their profits are impressive regardless. 

[Colin Traive 23,831]

Barry Bennell, famous friend of the scum has died.

Postponement or minute’s silence?

[MurrayWilson 3,688]

53 minutes ago, JackAlex93 said:

We are a shambles compared to the way they run celtic. Winning the league is imperative alone for financial reasons 

It all comes from getting the football side of things right. Never mind anything else. Buy the right players, develop them and sell them on. Getting into the champions league is the main thing though. If we were to somehow get into that for a couple of years and they never the whole thing is switched round. The differentials UEFA have set up between their competitions regarding the money available actually help to  destroy competition in smaller leagues. Not that UEFA will give the slightest fuck about that mind.

[Inigo 33,322]

14 minutes ago, MurrayWilson said:

It all comes from getting the football side of things right. Never mind anything else. Buy the right players, develop them and sell them on. Getting into the champions league is the main thing though. If we were to somehow get into that for a couple of years and they never the whole thing is switched round. The differentials UEFA have set up between their competitions regarding the money available actually help to  destroy competition in smaller leagues. Not that UEFA will give the slightest fuck about that mind.

Yeah, but that set of accounts we were both jn the CL. So effectively neutralising European income, they seem to be operating at a higher level of income.

I assume player sales, different method of posting retail income and a bigger stadium contribute.

It's important for us to have a bigger stadium with more ST holders to try to redress that at least.

[Somemightsay7 3,098]

10 hours ago, esquire8 said:

It is actually included in their profits for whatever reason.

ahh fair enough, that's strange given it was announced in July.

I guess that makes it slightly better for us but still hard to stomach.

[plymouthranger 4,232]

13 hours ago, Prso's headband said:

Effectively £70m in the bank because we’re the ones who’ve pissed about since we won the league. 
 

Critical we have to win the league this season, yet here we are 5 games in knowing the man in charge won’t take us there. 
 

If people thought the first few years being back in the league was bad, wait until the next couple when they hoover up even more trophies and cash as we stumble from pillar to post trying to offload a 31 year old Dessers in 2026 after 12 goals in his Rangers career when we were meant to be “back”.

Horrific management from the very top, right to the bottom and the fans are the ones that deal with the consequences the most. 

Probably a godsend Scotland loses its automatic CL spot season after next.
 

Because we’re just handing them £30-35million a season from CL alone, plus if they win a game it’s an extra £3million per win. 

55 needs to be a lesson. We absolutely fucking blew it and it amounts to gross mismanagement by everyone involved. We could’ve pulled away from them and put some clear daylight between us, instead we’re back to 18/19 in terms of financial gulf (with a worse manager).

[Somemightsay7 3,098]

7 minutes ago, Inigo said:

Yeah, but that set of accounts we were both jn the CL. So effectively neutralising European income, they seem to be operating at a higher level of income.

I assume player sales, different method of posting retail income and a bigger stadium contribute.

It's important for us to have a bigger stadium with more ST holders to try to redress that at least.

Player sales is one of the big differences. The consistency of CL football is the other.

People talk about how much they spend, but they made a profit from transfers in 6 of the last 7 seasons.

We started doing a good job with the sales of Patterson, Bassey, Aribo etc but we don't have many players with high resale value left and the more recent signings average around 26 so they won't have huge resale value either.

[plymouthranger 4,232]

44 minutes ago, Inigo said:

Am I right in thinking there will be exaggerated difference in income between us and them because we both take in retail cash differently. Theirs is posted as turnover whereas ours is posted as lump sum profits? Also because they have higher player sale income? And because of their larger ground?

He says hopefully. Their profits are impressive regardless. 

Their ground capacity means we start at least £5million behind them each year. That’s massive over a period of 5-10 years. 
 

Amazing how their most successful period in history and our worst (2000-current day), coincides with them completing their ground and having a run at bigger attendances…

[Somemightsay7 3,098]

2 minutes ago, plymouthranger said:

Their ground capacity means we start at least £5million behind them each year. That’s massive over a period of 5-10 years. 
 

Amazing how their most successful period in history and our worst (2000-current day), coincides with them completing their ground and having a run at bigger attendances…

You think it's down to their stadium and not the fact we lost all our players and fucked off to the third division?

We had won 3 of the last 4 titles before we got demoted.

[Gman36 3,477]

We just have to admit it, they're operating way above us financially, and have been for some time now. They must be one of the top performing clubs in terms of finances almost anywhere. 

Add to the fact we're a basketcase of an organisation, it all points to us being in bother for some years to come. 

[Gman36 3,477]

We badly need someone with some serious money and a desire to help us for the better to get involved with us. We're treading water at the moment. 

[The Godfather 75,665]

3 minutes ago, Gman36 said:

We just have to admit it, they're operating way above us financially, and have been for some time now. They must be one of the top performing clubs in terms of finances almost anywhere. 

Add to the fact we're a basketcase of an organisation, it all points to us being in bother for some years to come. 

Wouldn't say they are run amazingly or anything but are astute. We are all over the place though.

You win the league ans sell players when their value is at their peak you make millions. Its hardly a master plan.

So long as we fail to win the league we are fucked, that's the reality. Losing 30 million a season to them is a disaster then you factor in we let 2 of our highest valued players walk for nothing while they get 25 million for 1 is gross mismanagement.

We get a board in place who are professional and understand football we would half a chance. Unfortunately we have and have had frauds who think 2nd is acceptable.

[Inigo 33,322]

26 minutes ago, Somemightsay7 said:

You think it's down to their stadium and not the fact we lost all our players and fucked off to the third division?

We had won 3 of the last 4 titles before we got demoted.

The reason is debatable, probably largely that along with a mix of other issues, but them having a larger stadium does put them at an instant competitive advantage.

[B1872 21,923]

9 minutes ago, The Godfather said:

Wouldn't say they are run amazingly or anything but are astute. We are all over the place though.

You win the league ans sell players when their value is at their peak you make millions. Its hardly a master plan.

So long as we fail to win the league we are fucked, that's the reality. Losing 30 million a season to them is a disaster then you factor in we let 2 of our highest valued players walk for nothing while they get 25 million for 1 is gross mismanagement.

We get a board in place who are professional and understand football we would half a chance. Unfortunately we have and have had frauds who think 2nd is acceptable.

Remember we are “spoiled” according to our chairman.

[plymouthranger 4,232]

36 minutes ago, Somemightsay7 said:

You think it's down to their stadium and not the fact we lost all our players and fucked off to the third division?

We had won 3 of the last 4 titles before we got demoted.

Even before then, the tarriers had been more successful than us from 2000 until admin. 
 

Open your eyes, we won 5 titles from 2000-2012, 3x of them on the final day of the season. By contrast, they won 7 titles, most of which they won by a big margin and weren’t down to last day heroics. 
 

There’s a reason we’ll be behind them in trophy count soon. Admin etc didn’t help, but starting at -£25million to them every 5 years is a massive factor that was crippling us long before that happened. 

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23 minutes ago, plymouthranger said:

Even before then, the tarriers had been more successful than us from 2000 until admin. 
 

Open your eyes, we won 5 titles from 2000-2012, 3x of them on the final day of the season. By contrast, they won 7 titles, most of which they won by a big margin and weren’t down to last day heroics. 
 

There’s a reason we’ll be behind them in trophy count soon. Admin etc didn’t help, but starting at -£25million to them every 5 years is a massive factor that was crippling us long before that happened. 

So out of 12 titles we won almost half of them?

it’s actually showing that from admin onwards it is the reason we aren’t able to almost go 1 for 1 with them

Edit -

I am going to add to this, you then have 2008 which had we had a competent FA then the only outcome of the league title would’ve been a Rangers league win. 
 

if you take it from the fenians ending 10 in a row then we’ve actually won the same amount of titles from SPFL inception to admin.

if you factor in 2008 and admin season then it’s arguable we would be ahead, so I can’t really agree with your point to be honest 

 

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,574]

They owe 63mill in transfers as well apparently 

[Roy Hobbs 2,912]

The beasts are settling 20 claims.

[RM Monitor And Standards Officer 112,812]

2 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

The beasts are settling 20 claims.

Why are they doing that? It has nothing to do with them? 

[gj923 1,470]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66853131

[Roy Hobbs 2,912]

2 minutes ago, RFC55 said:

Why are they doing that? It has nothing to do with them? 

Apparently not admitting liability. Hopefully they get told to fuck off.

[RM Monitor And Standards Officer 112,812]

Just now, Roy Hobbs said:

Apparently not admitting liability. Hopefully they get told to fuck off.

They are going to pay out but not their fault? 
 

very charitable of them