Shambles from top to bottom

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,571]

7 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Gerrard was on a 4 year contract and won the league, stopping 10iar in 3 years. Money was front loaded and understandably so given he was a novice and he had only 3 years to stop their 10.  Given Gerrard succeeded, with the players developed we also didn't exactly go bust at that stage or at the start with Gio? What happened after 55 is where we've really fucked up not Gerrards tenure and I'd say it was Board and managerial incompetence rather than short sightedness.

Surely Gerrards budgets came from Europa income and Board investment? We're clearly having to be more self sufficient, break even, cut wage bills etc and the same investments aren't there. Of course it's changed, and whilst theres not been full transparency from the Board, some of this stuff ie self sufficiency has been known about for years. Clement would have known some of the shift to be more prudent.

I think most folk are dampening expectations. But I also think some seem to believe we've got to give Clement the 3 or so years as its a project. And that for me can't be the case if the foundations aren't there or there's no belief in his tactics and management etc. He definitely get at least another 12 months minimum to include 2 more transfer windows (unless results become utterly horrendous this season) but he needs to deliver much more than he has in recent months to get further buy in.

The budget thing is my main issue, we are literally earning the same euro money roughly as we did under gerrard, but the board aren't opening up, if they cant fair enough however by sounds of it promises were made regarding funds to clement 

Yes he has spent a couple mill on projects, probably not ideal given the position we are in, 

Imo the foundations are there, just not enough of them because we are lacking in players, and wether we build on the foundations is another thing, when you have well over 100k a week minimum stinking out the place, its gonna be hard

This rebuild could take longer than gerrards one, and i think that's what fans need to realise, shifting a halliday and holt type player on 5k a week to another scottish club is a lot easier than shunting cunts like cantwell etc who are closer if not more than 20grand a week 

[SeparateEntityMyArse 55,327]

36 minutes ago, Jimfanciesthedude said:

The budget thing is my main issue, we are literally earning the same euro money roughly as we did under gerrard, but the board aren't opening up, if they cant fair enough however by sounds of it promises were made regarding funds to clement 

Yes he has spent a couple mill on projects, probably not ideal given the position we are in, 

Imo the foundations are there, just not enough of them because we are lacking in players, and wether we build on the foundations is another thing, when you have well over 100k a week minimum stinking out the place, its gonna be hard

This rebuild could take longer than gerrards one, and i think that's what fans need to realise, shifting a halliday and holt type player on 5k a week to another scottish club is a lot easier than shunting cunts like cantwell etc who are closer if not more than 20grand a week 

Pressure needs to be put on Clement and Koppen to find solutions to moving on players we don't want. It's what every club does. And whilst it's difficult, they're bigger financial assets than the Hallidays and Holts were for reinvesting.

Fuck considering this to be a 4 5 or whatever years project. If there's not marked improvement by this time next year and belief the gap is closing and that we can catch them then no way does it amble on season after season regardless.

[NeoGeo7 11,263]

10 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Pressure needs to be put on Clement and Koppen to find solutions to moving on players we don't want. It's what every club does. And whilst it's difficult, they're bigger financial assets than the Hallidays and Holts were for reinvesting.

Fuck considering this to be a 4 5 or whatever years project. If there's not marked improvement by this time next year and belief the gap is closing and that we can catch them then no way does it amble on season after season regardless.

It’s more on Koppen than it is clement as the manager has to simply let the player know they aren’t in his plans…which in itself is risky and they may just go in a huff and if you need to keep them you’re worse off than just keeping them. Clement has effectively done this with cantwell, Hagi and Lowry but not with the likes of Davies, Matondo, Lawrence and Tav.

If Koppen can get clubs to the table for players to leave that’s a starting point but I honestly think the wages we’ve given these players is fucking us over. Who the fuck wants to pay Davies 25k a week?

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,571]

13 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Pressure needs to be put on Clement and Koppen to find solutions to moving on players we don't want. It's what every club does. And whilst it's difficult, they're bigger financial assets than the Hallidays and Holts were for reinvesting.

Fuck considering this to be a 4 5 or whatever years project. If there's not marked improvement by this time next year and belief the gap is closing and that we can catch them then no way does it amble on season after season regardless.

Ive no doubt behind the scenes we have been and are trying to move players on, unfortunately due to previous incumbents they are on the best contracts they'll ever get and have absolutely no reason to move if they fancy the money 

 

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,571]

Wee clip from Beales interview, the fucking damage this cunt, and the board for allowing it to happen, has done to us is unbelievable 

Oh and we got cantwell for free and raskin for a early release fee, wasnt what was said at the time

Theres another part where he claims he wanted sakala to stay apparently, absolute bollocks

[JackAlex93 12,499]

56 minutes ago, Jimfanciesthedude said:

Wee clip from Beales interview, the fucking damage this cunt, and the board for allowing it to happen, has done to us is unbelievable 

Oh and we got cantwell for free and raskin for a early release fee, wasnt what was said at the time

Theres another part where he claims he wanted sakala to stay apparently, absolute bollocks

Cannot stand this idiot.

[ForeverAndEver 73,859]

Just now, JackAlex93 said:

Cannot stand this idiot.

@Jimfanciesthedude’s ok, out of order that bud

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,571]

6 hours ago, ForeverAndEver said:

@Jimfanciesthedude’s ok, out of order that bud

Dem's fightin words

[BlueKnight87 17,853]

13 hours ago, Jimfanciesthedude said:

Wee clip from Beales interview, the fucking damage this cunt, and the board for allowing it to happen, has done to us is unbelievable 

Oh and we got cantwell for free and raskin for a early release fee, wasnt what was said at the time

Theres another part where he claims he wanted sakala to stay apparently, absolute bollocks

He's set us back years Beale. Don't belive a word of what's he's saying.

Apparently also took a wage cut and wouldn't have come if he knew Robertson and Wilson was leaving.

Would he be saying the same things if he was successful here absolutely not. 

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,571]

Just now, BlueKnight87 said:

He's set us back years Beale. Don't belive a word of what's he's saying.

Apparently also took a wage cut and wouldn't have come if he knew Robertson and Wilson was leaving.

Would he be saying the same things if he was successful here absolutely not. 

Wish someone told him they two were leaving so he wouldn't have fucking came 

[esquire8 45,133]

6 minutes ago, BlueKnight87 said:

He's set us back years Beale. Don't belive a word of what's he's saying.

Apparently also took a wage cut and wouldn't have come if he knew Robertson and Wilson was leaving.

Would he be saying the same things if he was successful here absolutely not. 

His Sakala comment meant everything he was saying we can take it as complete bullshit.

The fact he picked Sakala out means he read everything we said about how he treated him.

[JoeTheShow 45]

The situation we are currently in is down to Bennet, Bisgrove and Beale. Nobody else.

 

we've got fucking duds on over inflated wages who don’t want to leave unless they can get the same wage or more. That’s our fault for agreeing to these terms . 

the issue we also have is that we as fans have been taken for granted year after year, buying season tickets, 3x kits, selling out the stadium , home and away. But since we’ve had nothing back in terms of success or visible progress , we’ve had enough and unfortunately that seems to be the only way the board will take notice of their wrong doings. If we don’t go to these additional games, buy kits, RTV etc.

This year seems a bit of a write off already so it’s maybe a chance to give clement the season to form a style. Bring in youth and show us what he’s trying to do. Maybe after some EL money and maybe the selling of Butland or getting some of these wanks off the wage bill we can sign some players in January. 
 

 

 

 

[King Jela 21,603]

Michael Beale is a scumbag. Fuck Michael Beale.

[KingKirk 26,461]

Simon Jordan talking about us

 

[TamCoopz 19,925]

1 minute ago, KingKirk said:

Simon Jordan talking about us

 

 

[King Jela 21,603]

15 minutes ago, KingKirk said:

Simon Jordan talking about us

 

Fairly sensible take, apart from the part about Souness.

[.Williamson. 87,172]

I like listening to Simon Jordan on TalkSport tbh, I like how blunt he is  

[VanVeenRangers 2,707]

Simon Jordan Hits out at Douglas Parks son. Glasgow Live 5pm headline incoming.

[JCDBigBear 10,977]

2 hours ago, JoeTheShow said:

The situation we are currently in is down to Bennet, Bisgrove and Beale.

Nobody else.   That isn't true at all.

What about Park, Ross Wilson and Gio??   We had a load of duds before Bennett took the reins.

 

2 hours ago, JoeTheShow said:

we've got fucking duds on over inflated wages who don’t want to leave unless they can get the same wage or more. That’s our fault for agreeing to these terms . 

Totally agree with this.

 

[esquire8 45,133]

4 hours ago, .Williamson. said:

I like listening to Simon Jordan on TalkSport tbh, I like how blunt he is  

He called this board out years ago. Don't mind him.

[OrangeRab 3,382]

Sky Sports had a good piece about how Chelsea have restructured their wage bill from something like an average of 200k p/w per first team player much lower. 

But then they have a lot of add ons for appearances, success etc.

Not that Chelsea are a good example of running a football club..

But I’m guessing we aren’t the savviest when it comes to contract structuring. Just one example where we have probably suffered from a lack of expertise.

Seems far too easy for players to sit and collect a wage with almost 0 incentive to get themselves a move. Or even get themselves fit and starting whilst they’re here.

[JoeTheShow 45]

4 hours ago, JCDBigBear said:

 

 

I would agree with Wilson and park to be fair but not Gio.

 

Final to a Europa final. Wasn’t as backed as much as Beale was . 
 

if you gave Gio the money Beale spent the following summer then I’d say he would have signed a lot better than what we currently have. IMO.

[King Jela 21,603]

5 hours ago, .Williamson. said:

I like listening to Simon Jordan on TalkSport tbh, I like how blunt he is  

Same, Jim White's a fucking bellend right enough. 

[theblueoysterbar 20,194]

9 minutes ago, King Jela said:

Same, Jim White's a fucking bellend right enough. 

Met him in Tennents on Byres Road years ago. Smarmy wee prick.

[Gman36 3,477]

14 hours ago, JoeTheShow said:

The situation we are currently in is down to Bennet, Bisgrove and Beale. Nobody else.

Where we are now is due to many many people over a period of 20+ years. And by the looks of it is going to take a long time to fix, if we can actually find the people capable of fixing it.