Glasgow Boyne Celebrations and Central Scotland

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

I wasn't going to comment on the thread anymore but I keep getting quoted and dragged back in. I don't mind the debate but for another Bear to call me a 'Fenian cunt' because of the debate is frankly embarrassing.

Same here - the names calling is what kept me returning - and your right its embarrasing the way numerous posters react oh so personally to a opposite view point! Probably the same posters who are all for free speech when it comes to expousing their views on life.

[MaddistonKnight 1,570]

You sure it was a walk they met it and not mass?

Oooft! Naughty!

Definitely the Walk my good man, definitely the Walk!

[4everGers 82]

Glasgow for me cannot wait No Surrender WATP

[The Educator 1,572]

The spectacle of the bands is amazing. One of my first childhood memories.

But my kids won't be going to watch it because of the drunken bams who follow at the side.

It's always the case that the minority will ruin it for the majority. In the 1960's it was a big even when the walk came to Shanks Park in Johnstone, even a lot of folk who you knew were catholic would come along to see the bands entering the park or marching through the town. Sadly as the day would go on the usual suspects would get the worse for the amount of alcohol they had consumed and the whole event would get tarnished.

Funnily enough this brings back a discussion I had with someone recently who complained about the cost of Policing and cleaning up after the event. He seemed surprised that the lodge paid for the council clean up of the park by the council after the event and that I was pretty sure they also paid for the policing of the events as well.

[thegummy 4,472]

It's always the case that the minority will ruin it for the majority. In the 1960's it was a big even when the walk came to Shanks Park in Johnstone, even a lot of folk who you knew were catholic would come along to see the bands entering the park or marching through the town. Sadly as the day would go on the usual suspects would get the worse for the amount of alcohol they had consumed and the whole event would get tarnished.

Funnily enough this brings back a discussion I had with someone recently who complained about the cost of Policing and cleaning up after the event. He seemed surprised that the lodge paid for the council clean up of the park by the council after the event and that I was pretty sure they also paid for the policing of the events as well.

Didn't know that but no reason they should have to really. The taxpayer pays to police anti-war marches and anti-capitalist rallies etc.

[loyalfollower 1,543]

Not a member of a lodge. My brother is however. Some of the marches ive seen are excellent and this is in england aswell.

The public stop and clap as the parade goes by.

[D'Artagnan 13,319]

I think BP9 has a point - and in term of fairness and balance I think he should be allowed to promote his next Gay Pride March in the Bears Den.

[gazza27 15,321]

I'll be in Glasgow following the abbey star

[gogzy 31,195]

Bears den???

[jintybear 8,574]

Nothing better than watching the band's! I love it and always have done. Going to coatbridge! Canny wait! I dont understand why, if people are so offended, they insist on reading and commenting! If this offends you then click the back button and go back to the other topics! Simple

[1st_Jan_1994 4,868]

Blackmanredemption for you to say a Bear calling you a fenian cunt is embarassing, it's more embarassing a Bear calling Loyalists and orangemen numpties. If you can't take the abuse back in response don't dish it out to start with especially when no fucker was bothering you to start with

[the drummer 414]

the drummer will be there no surrender

[Jeff crap in the head 120]

I shall be making the trip from England to parade again. :Favourite parade of the year.

[scottyc06 6,916]

Still undecided on which walk to go to, Glasgow will be easier however think Coatbridge will be a fantastic day out!

[scottyc06 6,916]

Glasgow Route for anybody that's interested:

Procession Details

Organisation County Grand Orange Lodge Of Glasgow - Main Group

Date of Procession Saturday 6 July 2013

Start Time of Outward Route 11:00 AM

Assembly Point George Square North

Proposed Route The Main Parade Will Converge On George Square North At 11.00Am And Proceed Via George Street, High Street, Glasgow Cross, Saltmarket & Into Glasgow Green By Way Of The Mclellan Arch.

[GIJoe 98]

Shut up ya ignorant prick.

Can't be bothered replying to the other similarly laughable replies. So many ignorant and sadly vocal bigots pollute our support it's no wonder we're such a target. People like you leave us vulnerable so for the press it's like shooting fish in a barrel. The sooner we concentrate on supporting the Gers and drop shit like this the better.

[D'Artagnan 13,319]

A celebration of hatred and bigotry with no place in Scotland today. Get it to fuck from Rangers, there's no connection whatsoever.

What an absolutely appalling and ignorant statement, which I will deal with in due course.

But firstly its amazing how many people within this thread are claiming it has no connection with Rangers whatsoever. Perhaps in my advancing years my ears are suffering from some kind of hallucination, but I would swear that the song repertoire I hear Bears singing reflects something completely different to that. The Sash, Derry's Walls, Build My Gallows to name but a few...are they not reflective of a Protestant/Loyalist culture which appears to be very much alive within our support ? So to suggest that there is no connection to Rangers would appear to be completely at odds with the facts.

The Battle of the Boyne had a significant impact on the whole of Europe.The Grand Alliance (League of Augsburg) was a European Union of States which sought to halt the advance of French colonialism under Louis the 14th. Both King William and the Holy Roman Empire were part of that Grand Alliance, in fact it was on the advice of the former that the latter actually formed the League of Augsburg or Grand Alliance. Pope Alexander the 8th was part of the aforesaid alliance.

On a more localised scale Irish Protestants (many of them Ulster Scots) supported William whilst Irish Catholics favoured James.The armies reflected such allegiances and also supported the wider European context of this battle previously alluded to. The Williamite army consisted of Dutch, Danes, Prussian and French Hugenots as well as Scots/Irish and English Protestants, whilst the forces of James consisted of French troops augmented by Irish Catholic infantrymen.

William's victory at the Boyne was a major factor in the shaping of the country we know today as the United Kingdom. Perhaps even more so in Scotland, where following the Scottish Reformation, Presbyterianism was still in something of an infancy, but was to go on to shape the Scotland we know today and its ability to do so was in no small part as a result of William's Boyne victory.

Of course opposition to Orange marches is a fairly new thing, not only in Scotland but Northern Ireland also. Ruth Dudley Edwards explains the sinister motivation behind it in her book "The Faithful Tribe".

[OLE SUPER WILBERT 2,475]

Can't be bothered replying to the other similarly laughable replies. So many ignorant and sadly vocal bigots pollute our support it's no wonder we're such a target. People like you leave us vulnerable so for the press it's like shooting fish in a barrel. The sooner we concentrate on supporting the Gers and drop shit like this the better.

You're the ignorant one here, spouting that nonsense about a subject you clearly know nothing about.

People like me? Do you care to expand on that?

[gersandy 594]

Bears den?

[Non_Sucumbi 876]

Seems that we have two issues on this thread.

Should it be in the Bears Den, well if rules are followed to the letter probably not. But we have lots of threads that fall into the same category. IMHO its no big deal and the walk is an annual event.

A more contentious issue is the people who clearly know from the very unambiguous title what the thread is about yet who want to come on here and berate other Rangers fans for their beliefs.

I have never been a member of the LOL but I used to enjoy, especially as a kid, going along to the parades. To hear some of the vitriol directed at marchers and followers alike one would think some crime was being committed.

These parades are part of the cultural identity of a percentage of the Scottish population and this identity, even if you do not yourself agree with it, should be respected.

Disrespectful non-debating posts say more about the ignorance of the posters than of the people attending these annual celebrations.

[Gooseman 889]

Genuine question, sorry if it offends some.

What is the point of these marches and exactly what do they have to do with Rangers? I'm a mason and proud of it, but this celebration of a battle hundreds of years ago that has no connection to my club is baffling.

[OLE SUPER WILBERT 2,475]

Genuine question, sorry if it offends some.

What is the point of these marches and exactly what do they have to do with Rangers? I'm a mason and proud of it, but this celebration of a battle hundreds of years ago that has no connection to my club is baffling.

It has a big connection to our support which is a big part of our club.

[Gooseman 889]

It has a big connection to our support which is a big part of our club.

Ok so it's a connection to the fans and not the club then?

Without trying to start a fight or piss people off, why are there no marches to commemorate the battle of culloden then? It has the same loyalist connection, the jacobites wanted James back on the throne while the government forces were fighting to maintain the staus quo. Surely in essence the battle of the boyne and culloden are the same.

[scottyc06 6,916]

Ok so it's a connection to the fans and not the club then?

Without trying to start a fight or piss people off, why are there no marches to commemorate the battle of culloden then? It has the same loyalist connection, the jacobites wanted James back on the throne while the government forces were fighting to maintain the staus quo. Surely in essence the battle of the boyne and culloden are the same.

There has in the past been plans by the orange order to mark the battle of culloden with a service.

[Carsons Dog 9,878]

Genuine question, sorry if it offends some.

What is the point of these marches and exactly what do they have to do with Rangers? I'm a mason and proud of it, but this celebration of a battle hundreds of years ago that has no connection to my club is baffling.

Oh hello!!!!!!