Club 1872 Meeting.

[thebooler 4,509]

54 minutes ago, RFC Eagle said:

You don't know much about SD do you? 

There are some egos like in most organisations but without SD there are many clubs that would have gone out of business completely, particularly at lower league level. 

Why do you think fans shouldn't have an influence on football clubs that they pour millions into? Fan owned clubs tend to happen because the idiots running them previously have made an arse of it or (as with AFC Wimbledon) the clubs have been taken away from the fans.

The EPL do fund SD through the Premier League Fans Fund and they also receive funding from UEFA. SD weren't there to 'vet' candidates just to run the elections for C1872. Maybe you should do a little more research before you post about things you know very little about.

Cheers.

[thebooler 4,509]

35 minutes ago, siddiqi_drinker said:

I thought C1872 were co-opting Mike Ashley onto their board.  

So did Gogzy. ?

[piperpete 3,186]

6 hours ago, thebooler said:

Well it's certaitnly more than piperfukkinpete offers. 

You were offered food and drink but refused IT ya bam. The offer IS still there IF you bring both set of Great grandparents With you.

[Corky True Legend 2,682]

10 minutes ago, thebooler said:

Yeah, he must be pretty pissed off the way it's turned out.

He doesn't give a damn. It's just another brick in the wall to him but another kick in the balls to us.

[RFC Eagle 4,888]

7 hours ago, Blue Avenger said:

BTW, you also cited UEFA as a donor org. Is that supposed to be recommendation ffs?!

No its just a fact which your post was woefully short on.

[Blue Avenger 22,567]

31 minutes ago, RFC Eagle said:

No its just a fact which your post was woefully short on.

The post is correct. You think they are worthy. I think they are incompetent which is why the FA ditched them and their coffers have been emptying at a rate of knots ever since, surrounded in controversy. Not hard to find, just google it.

In late 2016 they were facing bankruptcy until bailed out. Hardly a recommendation as a vehiclefor giving out advice for new business entities in whatever sector. Look at the nick of '72 ffs! Your post was woefully inaccurate when you stated they don't do vetting, or is Esk lying? They are just another begging bowl trough guzzling pariah organisation that couldn't manage a piss up in the brewery? Google is a powerful tool and '72 is all the evidence we need!

[RFC Eagle 4,888]

7 hours ago, Blue Avenger said:

Well Esk clearly stated on more than one occasion that candidates were vetted by SD and they do provide many different services. They also do governance and constitutions, just forgot to pass it on to '72!

and do your research, SD are currently desperate for funds, no doubt to feed their incompetent trough guzzlers. They are a begging bowl organisation, end of. The FA chased them years ago and yes, they do get tokenism funding from various org's, but so does the Big Issue and as I say, a begging bowl organisation. They vetted and passed Whitney as a Board candidate. I rest my case.

 

200 clubs with affiliated fans groups doesn't seem too shabby to me and plenty of fans are glad of the support (maybe a trip to AFC Wimbledon would be educational for you or FC United or Exeter City) as its saved their club from extinction after mismanagement or enabled fans to form phoenix clubs (AFC Rushden and Diamonds, Chester FCand Darlington 1883) to bring football back to their communities.

Most organisations like SD will look to increase funding so that they can expand the work they do. That doesn't make them 'begging bowl organisations'.

However much I despise the man could you tell me what would preclude Houston from standing on a legal basis? What grounds would he fail a standard vetting process on?

You still haven't answered the main question as to why you think that fans shouldn't have an influence on clubs they put millions of pounds into?

Its not SD that have failed its C1872 that is failing, they aren't an SD member. Maybe if they were they'd have to be run properly as they'd have to produce audited accounts and have a properly structured Board rather than the shambles we see now. 

As for 'doing my research' I can guarantee I've had more interaction with SD than yourself having been at one of their earliest conferences to interacting with many supporters from clubs that are fan owned or have SD affiliated fans groups over a number of years. I pointed out in earlier posts that there are individuals that latch on to SD for their own egos but the majority of the organisation is made up of football fans who want to do something positive.

[Brackley 1,401]

18 hours ago, eskbankloyal said:

Supporters Direct.

Thanks Esk was racking my brains on this one.

Think there is a need for a pinned post explaining all the acronyms. 

Had to Google this one and though what the feck has a memory card got to do with Rangers.  ?

[RFC Eagle 4,888]

3 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

The post is correct. You think they are worthy. I think they are incompetent which is why the FA ditched them and their coffers have been emptying at a rate of knots ever since, surrounded in controversy. Not hard to find, just google it.

In late 2016 they were facing bankruptcy until bailed out. Hardly a recommendation as a vehiclefor giving out advice for new business entities in whatever sector. Look at the nick of '72 ffs! Your post was woefully inaccurate when you stated they don't do vetting, or is Esk lying? They are just another begging bowl trough guzzling pariah organisation that couldn't manage a piss up in the brewery? Google is a powerful tool and '72 is all the evidence we need!

Is this the piece you are referring to?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/12/supporters-direct-football-clubs-facing-funding-challenges-ashley-brown

You know whats odd? Not one mention of bankruptcy. The FA is having its own issues at the minute with threats to remove some of its funding and direct it to grouos with the wider interests of football at heart. Guess who one of those organisations is?

As I said C1872 isn't an SD affiliated organisation. You really aren't getting it are you?

 

[Blue Avenger 22,567]

28 minutes ago, RFC Eagle said:

200 clubs with affiliated fans groups doesn't seem too shabby to me and plenty of fans are glad of the support (maybe a trip to AFC Wimbledon would be educational for you or FC United or Exeter City) as its saved their club from extinction after mismanagement or enabled fans to form phoenix clubs (AFC Rushden and Diamonds, Chester FCand Darlington 1883) to bring football back to their communities.

Most organisations like SD will look to increase funding so that they can expand the work they do. That doesn't make them 'begging bowl organisations'.

However much I despise the man could you tell me what would preclude Houston from standing on a legal basis? What grounds would he fail a standard vetting process on?

You still haven't answered the main question as to why you think that fans shouldn't have an influence on clubs they put millions of pounds into?

Its not SD that have failed its C1872 that is failing, they aren't an SD member. Maybe if they were they'd have to be run properly as they'd have to produce audited accounts and have a properly structured Board rather than the shambles we see now. 

As for 'doing my research' I can guarantee I've had more interaction with SD than yourself having been at one of their earliest conferences to interacting with many supporters from clubs that are fan owned or have SD affiliated fans groups over a number of years. I pointed out in earlier posts that there are individuals that latch on to SD for their own egos but the majority of the organisation is made up of football fans who want to do something positive.

So fucking what. They're a bunch of trough guzzling Trotskyist retards who contantly wheel out the begging bowl and as the EPL stated, individual trusts can approach the League direct for assistance with no need to go via SD. As the Belfast Tel stated, the EPL token donation is nothing short of guilt money, as SD are more interested in politics than doing their job and are detested for it.

If you want to do something positive, then hold that criminal king to account, far less his pet poodle Whitney with HIS '72 just another rip roaring SD success story. Not! You're now sounding like a '72 board member. Nothing to with us, back peddling at a rate of knots. You stated they don't vetting. Wrong! Their specialist area is constitutions! Aye, just doing a sterling job.

We were advised that 72 engaged SD to assist. So you think Whitney is fit for purpose as a Board member overseeing millions of public money. A number one unemployed agitator, who was a Director of a two bob off the shelf cleaning company and might just be able to use a vacuum cleaner and has known criminal associates? Are you familiar with the Companies Act as you purport with SD?!

Sorry but aint buying it.

All rise for the committayyyyyy!

[thebooler 4,509]

1 hour ago, RFC Eagle said:

 

Its not SD that have failed its C1872 that is failing, they aren't an SD member. Maybe if they were they'd have to be run properly as they'd have to produce audited accounts and have a properly structured Board rather than the shambles we see now. 

 

Could this have been set up as such on purpose mate for a reason?

[thebooler 4,509]

1 hour ago, Brackley said:

Thanks Esk was racking my brains on this one.

Think there is a need for a pinned post explaining all the acronyms. 

Had to Google this one and though what the feck has a memory card got to do with Rangers.  ?

?? Gogzy (Admin) can explain all this for ye ??

[RFC Eagle 4,888]

8 minutes ago, thebooler said:

Could this have been set up as such on purpose mate?

You do wonder why they use SD services then don't affiliate. It maybe because they would almost certainly need to file fully audited accounts (if turnover is £100k plus) and complete an annual survey. I'm not sure if this was ever discussed when D'Art was involved?

Theres also a question as to how 'independent' they are with James Blair involved. The word omnishambles springs readily to mind.

[thebooler 4,509]

45 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

So fucking what. They're a bunch of trough guzzling Trotskyist retards who contantly wheel out the begging bowl and as the EPL stated, individual trusts can approach the League direct for assistance with no need to go via SD. As the Belfast Tel stated, the EPL token donation is nothing short of guilt money, as SD are more interested in politics than doing their job and are detested for it.

If you want to do something positive, then hold that criminal king to account, far less his pet poodle Whitney with HIS '72 just another rip roaring SD success story. Not! You're now sounding like a '72 board member. Nothing to with us, back peddling at a rate of knots. You stated they don't vetting. Wrong! Their specialist area is constitutions! Aye, just doing a sterling job.

We were advised that 72 engaged SD to assist. So you think Whitney is fit for purpose as a Board member overseeing millions of public money. A number one unemployed agitator, who was a Director of a two bob off the shelf cleaning company and might just be able to use a vacuum cleaner and has known criminal associates? Are you familiar with the Companies Act as you purport with SD?!

Sorry but aint buying it.

All rise for the committayyyyyy!

You make some good points - you make some shite points - but can ye not do it in a more friendly manner mate?

RFC Eagle, as far as I can see, is only providing factual information, which I for one, have found interesting.

As for CH, he may have a "history" so to speak, but it doesn't mean you're barred for life from leading a normal life.

You refer to the Companies Act in regard to CH, directly after saying he has/had his own company, which confirms his status.

?

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,756]

Club 1872 is being launched tomorrow ( Thursday )

After Saturday's violence and mayhem I think every Rangers fan should get behind this.

Forget all the petty differences,

Forget any individuals you have doubts about,

Forget about personalities,

Forget about fans groups that have gone before,

Forget about so called COI's

Forget about alternative merchandise

( Forget them for just now, we can revisit them on Club 1872 Board Elections )

And put these all to the back of your mind,

Remember that we are all Rangers Fans

Remember what has happened in the recent past,

Remember that we all want what is best for our club

Remember that as a force we can make a diffrence

Remember that we have a decent Management

Remember that we are going for title 55

Remember the ones in Scottish football who tried to kill us

and most importantly for Club 1872, remember these fans that are on the working group are only temporary until the election when any member of Club 1872 can stand for the board, probably about 3 months.

And above all Remember  We Are The People'

Let.s give it our backing and at least a chance to flourish

RM

 

*************************************

Just did a wee spot of reminiscing there, some remembering and forgetting as it were.

Things certainly flourished for Whitney. Even RMs boy appears to have got a Rangers job now and big Rab himself has got his hands full with the top secret EH CIC.

C1872? Yeah that's not flourishing quite so much. It's almost as if it has been a useful vehicle for some to get a wee leg up.

Still, we're all Rangers fans and all this is being done for the good of the club.

Forget / remember as you will.

[Blue Avenger 22,567]

2 minutes ago, thebooler said:

You make some good points - you make some shite points - but can ye not do it in a more friendly manner mate?

RFC Eagle, as far as I can see, is only providing factual information, which I for one, have found interesting.

As for CH, he may have a "history" so to speak, but it doesn't mean you're barred for life from leading a normal life.

You refer to the Companies Act in regard to CH, directly after saying he has/had his own company, which confirms his status.

?

I know it was factual information, but he selectively chose the facts tonsuit his premise as I did mine. 

As for Whitney, It does not confirm his status. The competence required, amongst other things, is directly relevent to the entity involved. A Director of failed one man band two bob off the shelf cleaning company is not the exemplifier for an 1872 entity that oversees/handles public money.

I know the SD history and it isn't hard to find. He has his view of them, I have mine and they are on record as not all sweetness and light. They are not needed to set up a CIC. 72 cited them and hid behind them as an excuse to try and demonstrate the integrity of the candidate process and it's foundation. Can't have it both ways. SD provide advice and not accountable for any of it. They can walk away, as they do. Sure they do some good work, but don't try and hide behind them for purposes of legitimacy as they are not that.

[thebooler 4,509]

4 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said:

Club 1872 is being launched tomorrow ( Thursday )

After Saturday's violence and mayhem I think every Rangers fan should get behind this. 

Forget all the petty differences, 

Forget any individuals you have doubts about, INCLUDING MYSELF.

Forget about personalities, INCLUDING MYSELF.

Forget about fans groups that have gone before,

Forget about so called COI's INCLUDING MYSELF.

Forget about alternative merchandise

( Forget them for just now, we can revisit them on Club 1872 Board Elections )

And put these all to the back of your mind, INCLUDING MYSELF.

Remember that we are all Rangers Fans INCLUDING MYSELF.

Remember what has happened in the recent past, INCLUDING MYSELF.

Remember that we all want what is best for our club INCLUDING MYSELF.

Remember that as a force we can make a diffrence

Remember that we have a decent Management HOW DID THAT GO?

Remember that we are going for title 55 HOW DID THAT GO?

Remember the ones in Scottish football who tried to kill us

and most importantly for Club 1872, remember these fans that are on the working group are only temporary until the election when any member of Club 1872 can stand for the board, probably about 3 months. HOW DID THAT GO?

And above all Remember  We Are The People' INCLUDING MYSELF.

Let.s give it our backing and at least a chance to flourish HOW DID THAT GO?

RM

 

*************************************

Just did a wee spot of reminiscing there, some remembering and forgetting as it were.

Things certainly flourished for Whitney. Even RMs boy appears to have got a Rangers job now and big Rab himself has got his hands full with the top secret EH CIC.

C1872? Yeah that's not flourishing quite so much. It's almost as if it has been a useful vehicle for some to get a wee leg up.

Still, we're all Rangers fans and all this is being done for the good of the club.

Forget / remember as you will.

Reading that now, he must be cringing!

[thebooler 4,509]

2 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

I know it was factual information, but he selectively chose the facts tonsuit his premise as I did mine. 

As for Whitney, It does not confirm his status. The competence required, amongst other things, is directly relevent to the entity involved. A Director of failed one man band two bob off the shelf cleaning company is not the exemplifier for an 1872 entity that oversees/handles public money.

I know the SD history and it isn't hard to find. He has his view of them, I have mine and they are on record as not all sweetness and light. They are not needed to set up a CIC. 72 cited them and hid behind them as an excuse to try and demonstrate the integrity of the candidate process and it's foundation. Can't have it both ways. SD provide advice and not accountable for any of it. They can walk away, as they do. Sure they do some good work, but don't try and hide behind them for purposes of legitimacy as they are not that.

But it's Club1872's choice not to affiliate. SD ain't hiding behind anything. If Club1872 were to request to affiliate, I'm sure they'd be welcomed.

Your concerns should be around why Club1872 don't want to be affiliated, and provide audited accounts annually.

That's my concern, and I hope someone asks them the question, as I'd like to know myself.

[RFC Eagle 4,888]

9 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

I know it was factual information, but he selectively chose the facts tonsuit his premise as I did mine. 

As for Whitney, It does not confirm his status. The competence required, amongst other things, is directly relevent to the entity involved. A Director of failed one man band two bob off the shelf cleaning company is not the exemplifier for an 1872 entity that oversees/handles public money.

I know the SD history and it isn't hard to find. He has his view of them, I have mine and they are on record as not all sweetness and light. They are not needed to set up a CIC. 72 cited them and hid behind them as an excuse to try and demonstrate the integrity of the candidate process and it's foundation. Can't have it both ways. SD provide advice and not accountable for any of it. They can walk away, as they do. Sure they do some good work, but don't try and hide behind them for purposes of legitimacy as they are not that.

I pointed out issues SD have had with egos (Dave Boyle was culpable in that). As for your shite about Trotskyites you really are talking utter shite.

C1872 appear to have used SD rather than the other way round but they used a specific service.

If you read my posts rather than launch into rants you would know full well my thoughts on the 'annoyed by facts' ringpiece that is Houston.

No organisation is 'all sweetness and light' but the positives far outweigh the negatives over the whole piece where SD are concerned. 

You still avoid answering my question about fans and why they shouldn't have a voice at the heart of the club. C1872 shouldn't be that voice but we should have a properly organised independent group to be that voice and SD at its best and used fully is an excellent way to achieve it.

[Young Bob 1,360]

42 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said:

Club 1872 is being launched tomorrow ( Thursday )

After Saturday's violence and mayhem I think every Rangers fan should get behind this.

Forget all the petty differences,

Forget any individuals you have doubts about,

Forget about personalities,

Forget about fans groups that have gone before,

Forget about so called COI's

Forget about alternative merchandise

( Forget them for just now, we can revisit them on Club 1872 Board Elections )

And put these all to the back of your mind,

Remember that we are all Rangers Fans

Remember what has happened in the recent past,

Remember that we all want what is best for our club

Remember that as a force we can make a diffrence

Remember that we have a decent Management

Remember that we are going for title 55

Remember the ones in Scottish football who tried to kill us

and most importantly for Club 1872, remember these fans that are on the working group are only temporary until the election when any member of Club 1872 can stand for the board, probably about 3 months.

And above all Remember  We Are The People'

Let.s give it our backing and at least a chance to flourish

RM

 

*************************************

Just did a wee spot of reminiscing there, some remembering and forgetting as it were.

Things certainly flourished for Whitney. Even RMs boy appears to have got a Rangers job now and big Rab himself has got his hands full with the top secret EH CIC.

C1872? Yeah that's not flourishing quite so much. It's almost as if it has been a useful vehicle for some to get a wee leg up.

Still, we're all Rangers fans and all this is being done for the good of the club.

Forget / remember as you will.

50000 members too.

All your hear is folk stopping DDs but never anyone signing up.

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,756]

25 minutes ago, thebooler said:

Reading that now, he must be cringing!

It was by Rab who I doubt does "cringe".

Greg? Nah, he's too busy getting measured up to have time to be embarrassed.

[piperpete 3,186]

4 hours ago, thebooler said:

You make some good points - you make some shite points - but can ye not do it in on a friday t more friendly manner mate?

s RFC Eagle, as far as I can see, is only providing factual information, which I for one, have found interesting.

As for CH, he may have a "history" so to speak, but it doesn't mean you're barred for life from leading a normal life.

You refer to the Companies Act in regard to CH, directly after saying he has/had his own company, which confirms his status.

?

He lets out his anger on here mate as his Maw doesnt let him out his room when he leaves anything on a plate, ITs fish on a friday so you can understand his frustration and why he thinks ITs ok to bulldoze and be rude.

[Sweetheart 8,458]

There is a request on twitter for life and monthly member to contact RF or RST they are making some sort of list

 

[The Beast 9,226]

5 hours ago, thebooler said:

Reading that now, he must be cringing!

That cunt of a man doesn't do shame or anything that would approximate human levels of self-awareness.

[Courtyard Bear 41,357]

7 hours ago, RFC Eagle said:

You do wonder why they use SD services then don't affiliate. It maybe because they would almost certainly need to file fully audited accounts (if turnover is £100k plus) and complete an annual survey. I'm not sure if this was ever discussed when D'Art was involved?

Theres also a question as to how 'independent' they are with James Blair involved. The word omnishambles springs readily to mind.

Surely with sums of money around 1.5mill 1872 would need to produce audited accounts, with or without SD affiliation?