Jock Wallace knocked out McCoist

[Essandoh 21,350]

Probably making a cunt of myself posting this but I’ve never heard of this ever  

He looked a giant of a man

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6 minutes ago, Essandoh said:

Probably making a cunt of myself posting this but I’ve never heard of this ever  

He looked a giant of a man

He's needing another one imo...

[bluenoz 31,277]

Jock Wallace took no guff. Players are pampered these days. Gerrard kind of protected Kent yesterday. Wallace would have publicly ripped him apart. Changed days in the game of football.

[The Beast 9,264]

2 hours ago, bluenoz said:

Jock Wallace took no guff. Players are pampered these days. Gerrard kind of protected Kent yesterday. Wallace would have publicly ripped him apart. Changed days in the game of football.

Not just footballers, if you work with or manage someone under 30  you will know that many of them are pampered, sensitive, quick to be offended and self centered compared to previous generations.

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1 hour ago, The Beast said:

Not just footballers, if you work with or manage someone under 30  you will know that many of them are pampered, sensitive, quick to be offended and self centered compared to previous generations.

I managed a team that had a reasonable number of staff under 30. 80% fit your description. I was very happy and lucky that I could take early retirement at 60 and that was a big part of why I left. Gerrard has his work cut out to knock the team into shape.

[The Dude 20,026]

4 hours ago, The Beast said:

Not just footballers, if you work with or manage someone under 30  you will know that many of them are pampered, sensitive, quick to be offended and self centered compared to previous generations.

Every generation says that about the one that follows. A tired, lazy trope.

[NorthernLights 2,526]

2 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Every generation says that about the one that follows. A tired, lazy trope.

I’m 30. Some people definitely fit the narrative - people get sold the dream of uni then leave with shit loads of debt and no better prospects - but some of the teams I’ve been in would be fucked without younger people. The number of older ones who shit themselves when the possibility of doing anything outside the exact job they think they have is mental. “We don’t normally do it that way”. Well how about we try it and see how it goes? Need a balance. Same with football - experienced heads who can keep it calm and younger players willing to try something different 

[Bakbear 3,586]

52 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Every generation says that about the one that follows. A tired, lazy trope.

Except there are actual studies demonstrating this. 
 

Each generation have unique characteristics that have pluses and minuses. Someone from one generational period will often struggle to adapt in managing people in a different one. 

[Orange Persson 548]

59 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Every generation says that about the one that follows. A tired, lazy trope.

 “Children; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. They no longer rise when elders enter the room, they contradict their parents and tyrannize their teachers. Children are now tyrants.”

:  Socrates.       

[The Dude 20,026]

10 minutes ago, Bakbear said:

Except there are actual studies demonstrating this. 
 

Each generation have unique characteristics that have pluses and minuses. Someone from one generational period will often struggle to adapt in managing people in a different one. 

And there is evidence of it being a lazy tired trope repeated by generation after generation:

“Many [young people] were so pampered nowadays that they had forgotten that there was such a thing as walking, and they made automatically for the buses… unless they did something, the future for walking was very poor indeed.” - Falkirk Herald 1951

“Whither are the manly vigour and athletic appearance of our forefathers flown? Can these be their legitimate heirs? Surely, no; a race of effeminate, self-admiring, emaciated fribbles can never have descended in a direct line from the heroes of Potiers and Agincourt...” - Letter in Town and Country magazine republished in Paris Fashion: A Cultural History, 1771

“We defy anyone who goes about with his eyes open to deny that there is, as never before, an attitude on the part of young folk which is best described as grossly thoughtless, rude, and utterly selfish.” - Hull Daily Mail 1925

“[Young people] are high-minded because they have not yet been humbled by life, nor have they experienced the force of circumstances.”
Rhetoric, Aristotle, 4th Century BC

The traditional yearning for a benevolent employer who can provide a job for life also seems to be on the wane… In particular, they want to avoid ‘low-level jobs that aren’t keeping them intellectually challenged.’” - Meet Generation X, Financial Times, 1995

“What really distinguishes this generation from those before it is that it's the first generation in American history to live so well and complain so bitterly about it.” - The Boring Twenties, Washington Post, 1993

“The beardless youth… does not foresee what is useful, squandering his money.” - Horace, 1st Century BC

“A few [35-year-old friends] just now are leaving their parents’ nest. Many friends are getting married or having a baby for the first time. They aren’t switching occupations, because they have finally landed a ‘meaningful’ career – perhaps after a decade of hopscotching jobs in search of an identity. They’re doing the kinds of things our society used to expect from 25-year-olds.” - Not Ready for Middle Age at 35, Wall Street Journal, 1984

“…in youth clubs were young people who would not take part in boxing, wrestling or similar exercises which did not appeal to them. The ‘tough guy’ of the films made some appeal but when it came to something that led to physical strain or risk they would not take it.” - Young People Who Spend Too Much, Dundee Evening Telegraph, 1945

“Probably there is no period in history in which young people have given such emphatic utterance to a tendency to reject that which is old and to wish for that which is new.”
Young People Drinking More, Portsmouth Evening News, 1936

 

[The Dude 20,026]

3 minutes ago, Orange Persson said:

 “Children; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. They no longer rise when elders enter the room, they contradict their parents and tyrannize their teachers. Children are now tyrants.”

:  Socrates.       

Aristotle said something along the same lines.

[Bakbear 3,586]

5 hours ago, The Dude said:

And there is evidence of it being a lazy tired trope repeated by generation after generation:

“Many [young people] were so pampered nowadays that they had forgotten that there was such a thing as walking, and they made automatically for the buses… unless they did something, the future for walking was very poor indeed.” - Falkirk Herald 1951

“Whither are the manly vigour and athletic appearance of our forefathers flown? Can these be their legitimate heirs? Surely, no; a race of effeminate, self-admiring, emaciated fribbles can never have descended in a direct line from the heroes of Potiers and Agincourt...” - Letter in Town and Country magazine republished in Paris Fashion: A Cultural History, 1771

“We defy anyone who goes about with his eyes open to deny that there is, as never before, an attitude on the part of young folk which is best described as grossly thoughtless, rude, and utterly selfish.” - Hull Daily Mail 1925

“[Young people] are high-minded because they have not yet been humbled by life, nor have they experienced the force of circumstances.”
Rhetoric, Aristotle, 4th Century BC

The traditional yearning for a benevolent employer who can provide a job for life also seems to be on the wane… In particular, they want to avoid ‘low-level jobs that aren’t keeping them intellectually challenged.’” - Meet Generation X, Financial Times, 1995

“What really distinguishes this generation from those before it is that it's the first generation in American history to live so well and complain so bitterly about it.” - The Boring Twenties, Washington Post, 1993

“The beardless youth… does not foresee what is useful, squandering his money.” - Horace, 1st Century BC

“A few [35-year-old friends] just now are leaving their parents’ nest. Many friends are getting married or having a baby for the first time. They aren’t switching occupations, because they have finally landed a ‘meaningful’ career – perhaps after a decade of hopscotching jobs in search of an identity. They’re doing the kinds of things our society used to expect from 25-year-olds.” - Not Ready for Middle Age at 35, Wall Street Journal, 1984

“…in youth clubs were young people who would not take part in boxing, wrestling or similar exercises which did not appeal to them. The ‘tough guy’ of the films made some appeal but when it came to something that led to physical strain or risk they would not take it.” - Young People Who Spend Too Much, Dundee Evening Telegraph, 1945

“Probably there is no period in history in which young people have given such emphatic utterance to a tendency to reject that which is old and to wish for that which is new.”
Young People Drinking More, Portsmouth Evening News, 1936

 

Thanks for this. An interesting and informative post.  

It goes to reinforce my point that people from one generation struggle to manage people from a different generation. 
 
it seems like an age old problem

Probably made worse as there is more often the possibility of four generations in the workplace these days with the retirement age being pushed out. 

You may be correct that to assume the next generation is somehow lazy, is a tired trope but I don’t think it changes that there is a real difficulty there. My post did not cast judgement on the rights or wrongs of generational clashes but acknowledged that they exist and and can be difficult for all involved. It takes a skilled man manager to find ways around it and it’s not one size fits all. I imagine the Jock Wallace approach would be unsuccessful  in the current generation but then maybe he had the ability to adapt or maybe he was of his time. 

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Great story. EK upper cut 

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10 hours ago, The Dude said:

And there is evidence of it being a lazy tired trope repeated by generation after generation:

“Many [young people] were so pampered nowadays that they had forgotten that there was such a thing as walking, and they made automatically for the buses… unless they did something, the future for walking was very poor indeed.” - Falkirk Herald 1951

“Whither are the manly vigour and athletic appearance of our forefathers flown? Can these be their legitimate heirs? Surely, no; a race of effeminate, self-admiring, emaciated fribbles can never have descended in a direct line from the heroes of Potiers and Agincourt...” - Letter in Town and Country magazine republished in Paris Fashion: A Cultural History, 1771

“We defy anyone who goes about with his eyes open to deny that there is, as never before, an attitude on the part of young folk which is best described as grossly thoughtless, rude, and utterly selfish.” - Hull Daily Mail 1925

“[Young people] are high-minded because they have not yet been humbled by life, nor have they experienced the force of circumstances.”
Rhetoric, Aristotle, 4th Century BC

The traditional yearning for a benevolent employer who can provide a job for life also seems to be on the wane… In particular, they want to avoid ‘low-level jobs that aren’t keeping them intellectually challenged.’” - Meet Generation X, Financial Times, 1995

“What really distinguishes this generation from those before it is that it's the first generation in American history to live so well and complain so bitterly about it.” - The Boring Twenties, Washington Post, 1993

“The beardless youth… does not foresee what is useful, squandering his money.” - Horace, 1st Century BC

“A few [35-year-old friends] just now are leaving their parents’ nest. Many friends are getting married or having a baby for the first time. They aren’t switching occupations, because they have finally landed a ‘meaningful’ career – perhaps after a decade of hopscotching jobs in search of an identity. They’re doing the kinds of things our society used to expect from 25-year-olds.” - Not Ready for Middle Age at 35, Wall Street Journal, 1984

“…in youth clubs were young people who would not take part in boxing, wrestling or similar exercises which did not appeal to them. The ‘tough guy’ of the films made some appeal but when it came to something that led to physical strain or risk they would not take it.” - Young People Who Spend Too Much, Dundee Evening Telegraph, 1945

“Probably there is no period in history in which young people have given such emphatic utterance to a tendency to reject that which is old and to wish for that which is new.”
Young People Drinking More, Portsmouth Evening News, 1936

 

That's an interesting and accurate post. 

[The Hammer 11 2,651]

Few folk needing an upper cut in this thread 

[saintbob1969 1,513]

I know a Uni professor who has students who cannot write, puzzled as to how they even got so far on so little. You can pass exams in secondary now, in Scotland, with little more than a pulse and an attitude. The trope has been tired and overused, admittedly, but it’s become an actuality in Sturgeons “modern” Scotland. 

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22 hours ago, The Dude said:

And there is evidence of it being a lazy tired trope repeated by generation after generation:

“Many [young people] were so pampered nowadays that they had forgotten that there was such a thing as walking, and they made automatically for the buses… unless they did something, the future for walking was very poor indeed.” - Falkirk Herald 1951

“Whither are the manly vigour and athletic appearance of our forefathers flown? Can these be their legitimate heirs? Surely, no; a race of effeminate, self-admiring, emaciated fribbles can never have descended in a direct line from the heroes of Potiers and Agincourt...” - Letter in Town and Country magazine republished in Paris Fashion: A Cultural History, 1771

“We defy anyone who goes about with his eyes open to deny that there is, as never before, an attitude on the part of young folk which is best described as grossly thoughtless, rude, and utterly selfish.” - Hull Daily Mail 1925

“[Young people] are high-minded because they have not yet been humbled by life, nor have they experienced the force of circumstances.”
Rhetoric, Aristotle, 4th Century BC

The traditional yearning for a benevolent employer who can provide a job for life also seems to be on the wane… In particular, they want to avoid ‘low-level jobs that aren’t keeping them intellectually challenged.’” - Meet Generation X, Financial Times, 1995

“What really distinguishes this generation from those before it is that it's the first generation in American history to live so well and complain so bitterly about it.” - The Boring Twenties, Washington Post, 1993

“The beardless youth… does not foresee what is useful, squandering his money.” - Horace, 1st Century BC

“A few [35-year-old friends] just now are leaving their parents’ nest. Many friends are getting married or having a baby for the first time. They aren’t switching occupations, because they have finally landed a ‘meaningful’ career – perhaps after a decade of hopscotching jobs in search of an identity. They’re doing the kinds of things our society used to expect from 25-year-olds.” - Not Ready for Middle Age at 35, Wall Street Journal, 1984

“…in youth clubs were young people who would not take part in boxing, wrestling or similar exercises which did not appeal to them. The ‘tough guy’ of the films made some appeal but when it came to something that led to physical strain or risk they would not take it.” - Young People Who Spend Too Much, Dundee Evening Telegraph, 1945

“Probably there is no period in history in which young people have given such emphatic utterance to a tendency to reject that which is old and to wish for that which is new.”
Young People Drinking More, Portsmouth Evening News, 1936

 

Never thought I'd see the day the Falkirk Herald was quoted! 

[ayrshireranger 8,432]

On 22/08/2021 at 09:13, The Dude said:

Aristotle said something along the same lines.

Who was taught by Plato, who had been taught by Socrates.

[real boydie9 18,006]

I remember watching a programme on sky sports. Jeff Sterling had John Greig, Sandy Jardine and DJ on the show talking about our cup winners cup win. Jock Wallace was brought up during the conversation, DJ said big Jock knocked out Alfie Conn during a training session. Greig and Sandy said they didn't remember it happening. Bit of pointless trivia for you 😀