Imagine some Rangers supporters saying you are not a Rangers supporter because of a Political belief ?

[scottyscott1963 18,328]

28 minutes ago, Hadron Collider said:

When we’re these talks mate? I haven’t seen anything on this. 

Was in the Express a couple of days ago,and they said the reason for walking out was over joint security talks.
Imagine the amount of crooks that lot would have running a freeport.
The Express said they were missing out on a second freeport.

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

5 hours ago, KeyserSoze said:

There are no chains around devolved matters, if there were they would not be devolved. 
We haven’t enacted our ability to raise taxes out of bloody mindedness.
 

I’ll get excited for opportunities once I see the attainment gap closing, a firm grip on our relationship with alcohol and drugs and a societal shift towards self governance.  
 

I once got really excited about a dog we got when I was young- wee bastard bit folk and wouldn’t shut up barking. 

If you don’t realise what chains there are around devolved powers then that’s a poor starting point - we can’t make big decisions because anything ‘big’ is a reserved matter. 
 

the tax raising powers are a poisoned chalice ( oh and even you admit there is the 3p restriction - what if we wanted to raise 5p on higher tax payer - we are restricted. Look at latest UK tax changes - we were NOT allowed to do those except under the umbrella of the uk! ( and even then conservatives MSPs voted against them in scotland whilst Scottish con MPs voted for it uk wide!) 
 

before the SNP Scotland voted Labour - and so it’s a socialist leaning country anyway and that’s a better direction than rUK.  Oh and you ignore the positives that have been implemented. 
 

 

[TamCoopz 19,605]

1 minute ago, Bluepeter9 said:

If you don’t realise what chains there are around devolved powers then that’s a poor starting point - we can’t make big decisions because anything ‘big’ is a reserved matter. 
 

the tax raising powers are a poisoned chalice ( oh and even you admit there is the 3p restriction - what if we wanted to raise 5p on higher tax payer - we are restricted. Look at latest UK tax changes - we were NOT allowed to do those except under the umbrella of the uk! ( and even then conservatives MSPs voted against them in scotland whilst Scottish con MPs voted for it uk wide!) 
 

before the SNP Scotland voted Labour - and so it’s a socialist leaning country anyway and that’s a better direction than rUK.  Oh and you ignore the positives that have been implemented. 
 

 

Have you not been ignoring people this whole thread when they ask a question you don’t like? 

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

3 hours ago, Hadron Collider said:

What’s the plan when Westminster cut the money off? 

They will struggle to cut of the money we raise - that level of ignorance is why it’s not even worth the debate in here - ‘our’ money is not a largess to be granted no matter what folk think. 

[The Specky Forum Organiser 64,718]

Just now, Bluepeter9 said:

They will struggle to cut of the money we raise - that level of ignorance is why it’s not even worth the debate in here - ‘our’ money is not a largess to be granted no matter what folk think. 

Hahahahahahahahaha

'people don't agree with me on here so I'm not going to talk about it' hahahahahahaha

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

3 hours ago, BlueAvenger said:

The chain that is holding us back is the threat of independence. The SNP are fuckin useless. Stop being so fuckin brainwashed and gullible. 

Intelligent addition to the debate! 

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

Just now, The Specky Liar said:

Hahahahahahahahaha

'people don't agree with me on here so I'm not going to talk about it' hahahahahahaha

That’s the level of response as to why it’s not worth a debate - you lack any capacity for it! 

[TamCoopz 19,605]

6 minutes ago, Bluepeter9 said:

That’s the level of response as to why it’s not worth a debate - you lack any capacity for it! 

You’ve ignored other posters when they’ve given you decent debate, could go back through the thread and get them for you if you’ve just missed them 

[KeyserSoze 14,544]

22 minutes ago, Bluepeter9 said:

If you don’t realise what chains there are around devolved powers then that’s a poor starting point - we can’t make big decisions because anything ‘big’ is a reserved matter. 
 

the tax raising powers are a poisoned chalice ( oh and even you admit there is the 3p restriction - what if we wanted to raise 5p on higher tax payer - we are restricted. Look at latest UK tax changes - we were NOT allowed to do those except under the umbrella of the uk! ( and even then conservatives MSPs voted against them in scotland whilst Scottish con MPs voted for it uk wide!) 
 

before the SNP Scotland voted Labour - and so it’s a socialist leaning country anyway and that’s a better direction than rUK.  Oh and you ignore the positives that have been implemented. 
 

 

Tell me the chains around our Education system?

Tell me the chains around our Health system?

are they not HUGE decisions for us to make?

Here’s a breakdown of devolved taxes (FYI)

We have responsibilities in relation to the following taxes: 

Income tax - some aspects of which are the responsibility of the Scottish Parliament, others the UK Parliament, and which is administered by HMRC (10p either way)

Land and Buildings Transaction Tax- set by the Scottish Parliament and administered by Revenue Scotland

Landfill Tax - set by the Scottish Parliament and administered by Revenue Scotland

Council Tax - set, administered and spent by local authorities

Non-domestic rates - local tax set by the Scottish Parliament which is administered and collected by local authorities, and they retain all of the Non-Domestic Rates Revenue raised locally 

I’m certainly not against independence as you seem to think. I do however take things more seriously than as you suggested “being excited by change”. 

[Hadron Collider 30,883]

37 minutes ago, Bluepeter9 said:

They will struggle to cut of the money we raise - that level of ignorance is why it’s not even worth the debate in here - ‘our’ money is not a largess to be granted no matter what folk think. 

Not worth the debate you say. It’s the future of the country we’re talking about. It’s a pipe dream. Fucksakes the national animal is a Unicorn. That’s an embarrassment. Should it not be something like the Scottish wildcat? Or how about a fucking Kelpie? Maybe that would suit as it’s connected to Satan which connects to that fucking incapable shower of cunts trying to divide the people of Scotland. Independence my arse. They’ve shown in the last 14 years they aren’t able to run the country. Oh and before it gets too bad do you think the tartan army would stand up to Her Majesty’s forces if civil war was to break out? Stop dreaming man.

[KeyserSoze 14,544]

4 minutes ago, Hadron Collider said:

Not worth the debate you say. It’s the future of the country we’re talking about. It’s a pipe dream. Fucksakes the national animal is a Unicorn. That’s an embarrassment. Should it not be something like the Scottish wildcat? Or how about a fucking Kelpie? Maybe that would suit as it’s connected to Satan which connects to that fucking incapable shower of cunts trying to divide the people of Scotland. Independence my arse. They’ve shown in the last 14 years they aren’t able to run the country. Oh and before it gets too bad do you think the tartan army would stand up to Her Majesty’s forces if civil war was to break out? Stop dreaming man.

This is exactly why there’s no sensible debate to be had.  
nothing you said adds anything of structure to any conversation.  
 

[Hadron Collider 30,883]

2 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

This is exactly why there’s no sensible debate to be had.  
nothing you said adds anything of structure to any conversation.  
 

Close the thread then? 
Sometimes reality can be a cunt! 

[KeyserSoze 14,544]

17 minutes ago, Hadron Collider said:

Close the thread then? 
Sometimes reality can be a cunt! 

I’m not admin. Soz. 
 

But I have created a new thread in the politics forum 👍

[scottyscott1963 18,328]

1 hour ago, Hadron Collider said:

Not worth the debate you say. It’s the future of the country we’re talking about. It’s a pipe dream. Fucksakes the national animal is a Unicorn. That’s an embarrassment. Should it not be something like the Scottish wildcat? Or how about a fucking Kelpie? Maybe that would suit as it’s connected to Satan which connects to that fucking incapable shower of cunts trying to divide the people of Scotland. Independence my arse. They’ve shown in the last 14 years they aren’t able to run the country. Oh and before it gets too bad do you think the tartan army would stand up to Her Majesty’s forces if civil war was to break out? Stop dreaming man.

Elsie (somebody else's fault) has asked forbes to start a campaign to prevent hundreds of millions of pounds from Westminster to the health and social care levy being ring fenced,TO HEALTH and SOCIAL CARE.
What the actual fuck planet do this shower of thieving bastards live on?
You actually have to wonder what kind of thick bastard would still vote for this despicable shower.
Westminster really need to start cutting them out from money coming before they start producing knee scooters to get you to the hospital a lot quicker than 40 FUCKIN HOURS. 
Last week on fm's questions she spoke about her promise when she was health secretary about bringing waiting times to 7 minutes 

Seriously wouldn't trust one of them run a coffee shop.

 
 

[Ayrshire Blue 2,053]

2 hours ago, Bluepeter9 said:

That’s the level of response as to why it’s not worth a debate - you lack any capacity for it! 

I’ve asked you the following before but still waiting for your response.

Tell me one thing the nationalist government has done to improve Scotland in the last 15 years?

How would i🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 have managed the RBS collapse never mind COVID response?

How’s the Scottish National Investment Bank (that’s not really a bank) doing? Is it a Lender of Last Resort?

What currency would i🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 use after Scexit?

How would i🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 bridge the financial black hole that is the deficit?

Tax raised £65bn

Block grant £32bn

Inc Tax kept £13bn

= ScotGov £45bn budget ( £44.7b is spent by the Scotgovt, LAs and Public corporations)

Add paid direct by WM

DWP welfare/pensions £25bn

= £70bn cash spend in/on Scotland 

= £5bn cash deficit

Add

£10bn estimated allocated central costs defence, finance etc

= £15bn deficit

 

Where does the money come from for i🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 pensions, benefits, etc  - tax generated?

How would i🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 manage tax revenues taking into account the high public/private sector ratio and the lower income tax rate, relative to the rest of 🇬🇧?

How long would it take i🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 to join the EU?

How will an i🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 meet membership criteria?

How will an i🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 deal with a Hard Border with its current biggest market?

Any comment on the commercial disasters like BiFab, Queesferry Crossing, QEUH, Edinburgh Sick Kids Hospital, rusting ferries, Prestwick Airport, oil & gas in decline,

The highest drug death rate in the world, lowest life expectancy in Europe, education in free fall, sturgeon lying to parliament, sturgeons husband influencing the case against Salmond, care home deaths, SNP bullying.

We’ve had the failed Offensive Behaviour Act & Named Persons Act and now the Hate Crime Bill. The Snats wanted to suspend trial by jury at the start of the epidemic. Extended lockdown. The corruption, fraud & lies displayed during the Salmond enquiry. All from a party formed in the 30s by fascists/Nazis.

Not quite there yet but heading in that direction.

Do you think this is value for money:

Poll tax write off £425m

Prestwick Airport £50m

Gaelic Road signs £26m

Internal Relations £26m

Gaelic dictionary £15m

Botched NHS IT services £250m

Ferguson Marine £230m

Gaelic TV £17m

Bifab £52m

Foreign aid £10m

Free EU tuition fees £120m

£6m/year unopened hospitals

 

And that’s before I even start on the Snats hatred of everything British including our football club!

[TamCoopz 19,605]

2 minutes ago, Ayrshire Blue said:

I’ve asked you the following before but still waiting for your response.

Tell me one thing the nationalist government has done to improve Scotland in the last 15 years?

How would i🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 have managed the RBS collapse never mind COVID response?

How’s the Scottish National Investment Bank (that’s not really a bank) doing? Is it a Lender of Last Resort?

What currency would i🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 use after Scexit?

How would i🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 bridge the financial black hole that is the deficit?

Tax raised £65bn

Block grant £32bn

Inc Tax kept £13bn

= ScotGov £45bn budget ( £44.7b is spent by the Scotgovt, LAs and Public corporations)

Add paid direct by WM

DWP welfare/pensions £25bn

= £70bn cash spend in/on Scotland 

= £5bn cash deficit

Add

£10bn estimated allocated central costs defence, finance etc

= £15bn deficit

 

Where does the money come from for i🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 pensions, benefits, etc  - tax generated?

How would i🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 manage tax revenues taking into account the high public/private sector ratio and the lower income tax rate, relative to the rest of 🇬🇧?

How long would it take i🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 to join the EU?

How will an i🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 meet membership criteria?

How will an i🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 deal with a Hard Border with its current biggest market?

Any comment on the commercial disasters like BiFab, Queesferry Crossing, QEUH, Edinburgh Sick Kids Hospital, rusting ferries, Prestwick Airport, oil & gas in decline,

The highest drug death rate in the world, lowest life expectancy in Europe, education in free fall, sturgeon lying to parliament, sturgeons husband influencing the case against Salmond, care home deaths, SNP bullying.

We’ve had the failed Offensive Behaviour Act & Named Persons Act and now the Hate Crime Bill. The Snats wanted to suspend trial by jury at the start of the epidemic. Extended lockdown. The corruption, fraud & lies displayed during the Salmond enquiry. All from a party formed in the 30s by fascists/Nazis.

Not quite there yet but heading in that direction.

Do you think this is value for money:

Poll tax write off £425m

Prestwick Airport £50m

Gaelic Road signs £26m

Internal Relations £26m

Gaelic dictionary £15m

Botched NHS IT services £250m

Ferguson Marine £230m

Gaelic TV £17m

Bifab £52m

Foreign aid £10m

Free EU tuition fees £120m

£6m/year unopened hospitals

 

And that’s before I even start on the Snats hatred of everything British including our football club!

He responds to the stuff he says isn’t worthy of responding to and ignores posts like this 

[scottyscott1963 18,328]

47 minutes ago, Ayrshire Blue said:

And that’s before I even start on the Snats hatred of everything British including our football club!

He's went nose blind,deaf and his fingers don't respond to difficulties.
BUT! we can smell shite mate.

[The Hammer 11 2,579]

Launch this thread into politics section 

[Tiger Shaw 30,470]

It’s scary as fuck that ill informed fucking lunatics like @Bluepeter9are allowed a vote 

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

6 hours ago, KeyserSoze said:

Tell me the chains around our Education system?

Tell me the chains around our Health system?

are they not HUGE decisions for us to make?

Here’s a breakdown of devolved taxes (FYI)

We have responsibilities in relation to the following taxes: 

Income tax - some aspects of which are the responsibility of the Scottish Parliament, others the UK Parliament, and which is administered by HMRC (10p either way)

Land and Buildings Transaction Tax- set by the Scottish Parliament and administered by Revenue Scotland

Landfill Tax - set by the Scottish Parliament and administered by Revenue Scotland

Council Tax - set, administered and spent by local authorities

Non-domestic rates - local tax set by the Scottish Parliament which is administered and collected by local authorities, and they retain all of the Non-Domestic Rates Revenue raised locally 

I’m certainly not against independence as you seem to think. I do however take things more seriously than as you suggested “being excited by change”. 

I note you conveniently missed out NI - the tax the uk government utilised to raise additional finance, the vat levels and even on income tax we can’t set the personal allowances. 
Scotland are not allowed to borrow money ( a uk gov fiscal measure) - we have to balance the books, every year, unlike the rUk. 
the chains around health service and education are budgets as we can’t borrow for infrastructure, as we are not allowed to, and by the infamous Barnett formulae we don’t even get allocated a budget based on what is raised because monies are kept for things like armed forces ( no issue there ) HS2, channel tunnel, third runway at Heathrow, cross city link etc. 
 

and it’s not just a financial question either - strategy is determined not by the people of scotland but by the ruk - we can’t diverge there as we have no powers to do so. 

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

6 hours ago, TamCoopz said:

You’ve ignored other posters when they’ve given you decent debate, could go back through the thread and get them for you if you’ve just missed them 

Sure why don’t you do that - and in the interests of parity count all the posts with no debate, just the ‘snp bad’ rhetoric, or the ‘never a Rangers fan’ shite - just for comparison - do it fairly and I’ll answer every single debate point with my opinion 

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

3 hours ago, TamCoopz said:

He responds to the stuff he says isn’t worthy of responding to and ignores posts like this 

You do realise I answered that post - in fact the poster had to make a wee donation to Erskine based on my answers ( mind you that might have been another thread making the same accusation as it’s often like Groundhog Day in here. ) 

[Scottywellhousetb 50,474]

1 minute ago, Bluepeter9 said:

You do realise I answered that post - in fact the poster had to make a wee donation to Erskine based on my answers ( mind you that might have been another thread making the same accusation as it’s often like Groundhog Day in here. ) 

Why do you continuously refuse to answer a great post from @Ayrshire Blue ?

[They Gnu 11,553]

1 minute ago, Bluepeter9 said:

You do realise I answered that post - in fact the poster had to make a wee donation to Erskine based on my answers ( mind you that might have been another thread making the same accusation as it’s often like Groundhog Day in here. ) 

If Scotland is allowed to keep the pound how independent would it be if it’s monetary policy was decided by Westminster and the BoE?

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

14 minutes ago, Scottywellhousetb said:

Why do you continuously refuse to answer a great post from @Ayrshire Blue ?

Answered in previous post - I’m not here to do your work for you