Player recruitment us v them

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,002]

1 hour ago, Supersonic said:

They went out a brought in what, 7 if not more "first team" quality players the past two windows alone. 

We've brought in zero first team quality players in the past three windows.

Arguably only 2 first team quality players in the last four windows. 

Did they? 

Kyogo, the other jap guys, and the right back, 

We could count hart in there but it wasnt hard to be a first team keeper for them given the competition, again starfelt wasnt a hard one given how shite they were at centre half last season 

The greek striker, the two boys signed from lower england, Mccarthy, theres 4 that have "failed" so far

Our last 3 windows is a bit of a red herring as one window was in the middle of an undefeated league season, and one was at the end of an undefeated league season, both windows we didn't lose a single first team starter

[Supersonic 4,658]

3 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

Did they? 

Kyogo, the other jap guys, and the right back, 

We could count hart in there but it wasnt hard to be a first team keeper for them given the competition, again starfelt wasnt a hard one given how shite they were at centre half last season 

The greek striker, the two boys signed from lower england, Mccarthy, theres 4 that have "failed" so far

Our last 3 windows is a bit of a red herring as one window was in the middle of an undefeated league season, and one was at the end of an undefeated league season, both windows we didn't lose a single first team starter

Hart, Juranovic, Vickers, Kyogo, Jota. You can argue about the quality or lack thereof with Abada and Starfelt, even they cunts would argue they're not great, but overall they're first teamers and/or at least contributing across the season in that Abada's case.

They brought some absolute shite in as well obviously - Shaw, that urhoghide they've already sent back out, mccarthy, scales, the greek cunt. No idea about that o riley guy or Maeda yet, but that Hatate guy is only just in the door as well and he seems to have hit the ground running sadly, contributing massively to a couple results since they've been back.

Last summer we really needed to clear out as much deadwood as possible and strengthen with at the very least a couple first team quality players in their stead. We didn't. We just added to the mountain of deadwood. This winter window we had money in and needed to strengthen, yet we haven't again. 

[ForeverAndEver 72,188]

3 hours ago, Ladytonbear said:

Only Shagger stopped the Greek guy looking like a super star last night

The Greek guy being shite stopped him looking his a super stat

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,002]

1 hour ago, Supersonic said:

Hart, Juranovic, Vickers, Kyogo, Jota. You can argue about the quality or lack thereof with Abada and Starfelt, even they cunts would argue they're not great, but overall they're first teamers and/or at least contributing across the season in that Abada's case.

They brought some absolute shite in as well obviously - Shaw, that urhoghide they've already sent back out, mccarthy, scales, the greek cunt. No idea about that o riley guy or Maeda yet, but that Hatate guy is only just in the door as well and he seems to have hit the ground running sadly, contributing massively to a couple results since they've been back.

Last summer we really needed to clear out as much deadwood as possible and strengthen with at the very least a couple first team quality players in their stead. We didn't. We just added to the mountain of deadwood. This winter window we had money in and needed to strengthen, yet we haven't again. 

See you're naming their first team players but remember the shite they replaced, half of us on here could have got a game for the tarriers team from last season, replacing duffy, barkas, welsh, kenny, taylor, brown ajeti, it wouldnt take much

Whereas we were in a position where our team had just won the league undefeated, how do you replace any of them without blowing the wage budget, and thats what it comes down to, wages

They can afford more wages per year for a start, and they cleared a lot of shite/end of contract players last year, plus they spent nearly 30mill and two of their starting 11 will either go back to their own team or cost in the region of 12mill to buy, 

Up until the jan window our first team squad was

3 keepers

2 right backs, 5 centre halves and 2 left backs

4 sitting mids 

3 number 10's

3 wingers

5 strikers

Now wether they were all good enough or not (some defo werent) they were all sucking up wages, only 2 of that list were on loan

Since the window we have lost a right back, a right winger and a striker, and brought in a utility player, a right winger and a number 10 and agreed a pre contract with a centre half

Thats a bloated first team squad that now really only has someone like itten, lundstam and maybe wright who arguably dont contribute at all, the rest have at some point 

So where do we recruit, and with what wages? 

 

[eskbankloyal 19,446]

A few threads have gone up on FF today questioning recruitment and the managerial appointment - all deleted by an admin. 

Is it part of the deal with the club that they’ll protect them from any criticism/questioning? 

[eskbankloyal 19,446]

Article in the Athletic this morning looking at recruitment. The last 5 windows (excluding January just there) we have brought in 14 players. Only 1, Hagi has played more than 50% of available minutes and even then it is 53%. 

It’s genuinely disgraceful stuff that no club with a football department the size of ours should be delivering. In reality there should be a fairly sizeable clear out of it but somehow many believe they are doing a good job 🤯

[The Dude 20,026]

On 03/02/2022 at 19:38, eskbankloyal said:

A few threads have gone up on FF today questioning recruitment and the managerial appointment - all deleted by an admin. 

Is it part of the deal with the club that they’ll protect them from any criticism/questioning? 

Almost certainly. To quote David Graham, "we only want to work with people who are pulling in the same direction as us"

[eskbankloyal 19,446]

1 minute ago, The Dude said:

Almost certainly. To quote David Graham, "we only want to work with people who are pulling in the same direction as us"

They are not protecting the club (which I could understand as we all want to do that), they are protecting individuals to the detriment of the club. 

[Creampuff 22,628]

1 minute ago, eskbankloyal said:

They are not protecting the club (which I could understand as we all want to do that), they are protecting individuals to the detriment of the club. 

This.

Theres a monumental difference between Rangers and those employed by Rangers. No one being bigger than the club is spoken a lot about playing staff, but it’s equally applicable to those upstairs.

[The Dude 20,026]

2 minutes ago, eskbankloyal said:

They are not protecting the club (which I could understand as we all want to do that), they are protecting individuals to the detriment of the club. 

Absolutely agree. It's just the same shite we've had time and again. Whether it's Traynor doing it for King, Irvine for Easdales and Ashley or even as far back as Murray. Our entire PR strategy always appears to be protect the board before everything else.

[The Dude 20,026]

2 minutes ago, Creampuff said:

This.

Theres a monumental difference between Rangers and those employed by Rangers. No one being bigger than the club is spoken a lot about playing staff, but it’s equally applicable to those upstairs.

The sooner people at the club realise this, the better.

[STEPPS BOY 75,085]

11 minutes ago, eskbankloyal said:

Article in the Athletic this morning looking at recruitment. The last 5 windows (excluding January just there) we have brought in 14 players. Only 1, Hagi has played more than 50% of available minutes and even then it is 53%. 

It’s genuinely disgraceful stuff that no club with a football department the size of ours should be delivering. In reality there should be a fairly sizeable clear out of it but somehow many believe they are doing a good job 🤯

Robertson and Graham are simply not up to the job and the rest of the season should be make or break for Wilson.

The problem is that the board are ran like a Gentlemens Club and all these guys will be retained no matter what.

[eskbankloyal 19,446]

2 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Absolutely agree. It's just the same shite we've had time and again. Whether it's Traynor doing it for King, Irvine for Easdales and Ashley or even as far back as Murray. Our entire PR strategy always appears to be protect the board before everything else.

But that’s the board paying PR ‘professionals’ to do it. This is regular fans doing it & it blows my fucking mind. Even more so when it is guys who spent a decade or more fighting against the board. 

[eskbankloyal 19,446]

Just now, STEPPS BOY said:

Robertson and Graham are simply not up to the job and the rest of the season should be make or break for Wilson.

The problem is that the board are ran like a Gentlemens Club and all these guys will be retained no matter what.

Would add Bisgrove in there as well. But your second point is what drives the first. Mediocrity throughout the club who all think they are doing a fantastic job. It’s fucking mental. 

[The Dude 20,026]

4 minutes ago, eskbankloyal said:

But that’s the board paying PR ‘professionals’ to do it. This is regular fans doing it & it blows my fucking mind. Even more so when it is guys who spent a decade or more fighting against the board. 

I totally get where you're coming from but for me, it's less of a surprise - if only because I keep seeing it happen with other clubs (on a smaller scale) down the the leagues. Once they open the doors up to one or two fan media sites, the critcism from them very quickly quietens down and suddenly their fiercest critics are now offering pathetic defences of the same shit they used to rail against.

 

[Prso's headband 35,935]

Even if we don’t win the league this year it’ll take years for our fans to take the blinkers off with regards to this board. 
 

The ousting of Ashley and co (no laughing at the back) was 6-7 years ago. 
 

Aye theyve put money in but fuck me we’re still very much amateurish at the top level in each department imo

[DMax399 3,878]

The fact we are even comparing their recruitment to ours disappoints me.  Yes they battered us in a single game, where we sat off them, but are we seriously saying they have signed, or have better players than us because of that game?  They may be on a par with us but are certainly not the finished article.

[WWTC 2,257]

On 03/02/2022 at 17:52, Jimbeamjunior said:

Did they? 

Kyogo, the other jap guys, and the right back, 

We could count hart in there but it wasnt hard to be a first team keeper for them given the competition, again starfelt wasnt a hard one given how shite they were at centre half last season 

The greek striker, the two boys signed from lower england, Mccarthy, theres 4 that have "failed" so far

Our last 3 windows is a bit of a red herring as one window was in the middle of an undefeated league season, and one was at the end of an undefeated league season, both windows we didn't lose a single first team starter

We never strengthened either though

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,002]

25 minutes ago, WWTC said:

We never strengthened either though

And again it comes back to wages etc, how do you strengthen a title winning team within wage budget, its not like we sold first teamers and had to replace them

Imagine replacing helander or goldson, how much we thinking of spending on fees nevermind wages

[Swagger 8,356]

On 02/02/2022 at 22:26, Valance1690 said:

Their recruitment has been good (fair bit of luck behind that) but aye its been good

They've also spent the better part of 30 million in 2 windows...of course its going to be good 

They’ve spent but what have we laid out in wages for Firth, Bacuna, Lundstrum, Wright, Simpson, Barker, Sands Itten etc. 

 

Some amount of pish in our squad 

[Swagger 8,356]

On 03/02/2022 at 16:49, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Plenty have been close. If other teams believed in themselves more than the hype they would get something out of games against them.

I'm convinced they'll drop points to more teams than us & livi. I'm just not convinced we'll drop less points than them.

We’ll definitely drop more -  they are on a run and have just completely outplayed  us. They’ll not drop much now and add the fact teams can see we are fragile as fuck. 
Lump a ball in the box now and again and we’ll concede most games 

[Swagger 8,356]

1 hour ago, DMax399 said:

The fact we are even comparing their recruitment to ours disappoints me.  Yes they battered us in a single game, where we sat off them, but are we seriously saying they have signed, or have better players than us because of that game?  They may be on a par with us but are certainly not the finished article.

No they aren’t but we are kidding ourselves if we don’t think they are only going to improve. We are stale while they are buzzing 

[Glory awaits 285]

Found a few match day programmes from 2018 in a cupboard, had a quick look and 7 who played on Wednesday are in that squad from 2018!! would have been 8 had Morelos not been away.... The team/squad they have is substantially different not just from a few years back but the 1st time we played them this season... Says it all

[rabc10000 5,061]

1 hour ago, DMax399 said:

The fact we are even comparing their recruitment to ours disappoints me.  Yes they battered us in a single game, where we sat off them, but are we seriously saying they have signed, or have better players than us because of that game?  They may be on a par with us but are certainly not the finished article.

I think what a lot of people are overlooking is that in the summer they took ages to get the manager in they now have, coupled with literally having to build a full starting lineup as well ( I'm sure calum mcgregor was the only first pick remaining from the previous year that played on Wed night) so it was obvious that they would struggle in the first few weeks of the season, which they did. 

Since late sept/early Oct they started to gel as a team and gradually improve and grind out results while they were struggling. 

Its a safe bet to assume that they will be on a massive high after wednesday night and would expect them now to continue their run, same as if it was the opposite way round. They are now at the stage where domestically they haven't even been behind in a game for 20 games or so. That must be a massive boost for the players knowing they hardly ever go behind in games in scotland

[ayro 3,155]

9 minutes ago, Glory awaits said:

Found a few match day programmes from 2018 in a cupboard, had a quick look and 7 who played on Wednesday are in that squad from 2018!! would have been 8 had Morelos not been away.... The team/squad they have is substantially different not just from a few years back but the 1st time we played them this season... Says it all

They had to rebuild their squad through years of lazy mismanagement but what they have done this season is remove their deadwood and replaced it with guys with no scar tissue from last year or Terry Munro in general.

We have the better first eleven and squad depth but they are now pulling in the same direction whereas we are questioning everything from a new manager after 12 weeks to fan media.

We need to sort ourselves out quickly as that’s all we can influence.