Dessers

[STEPPS BOY 75,116]

Must be brilliant being a club like us who can afford to have 4 and 6 million pound strikers as second and third choice.

[SeparateEntityMyArse 54,319]

38 minutes ago, Jimfanciesthedude said:

Absolutely cannot see us having 10mill+.of talent fighting out with someone else for a single slot in the team along with a young top Scottish boy not getting anywhere near the team

We've always needed at least 3 main strikers. With Roofe going we need one more at least in. I'd rather we got a starter than a squad filler.

Young boy would be training with 1st team but playing primarily with Bs 

We have your 10m talent just now, who do you think we will / should target to supplement Danilo and Dessers, if anyone?

[SeparateEntityMyArse 54,319]

13 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said:

Must be brilliant being a club like us who can afford to have 4 and 6 million pound strikers as second and third choice.

Next season we stick with those two, bring in someone else, promote from within. 

Is 2 enough? Who from within is capable? If we bring in more is it a squad filler we should target?

Or we sell them which will likely be impossible with Danilo given his injuries. Wouldn't mind if we sold Dessers but then we're still looking for 1 or 3 in again 

[FlippinEck 3,748]

1 minute ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Next season we stick with those two, bring in someone else, promote from within. 

Is 2 enough? Who from within is capable? If we bring in more is it a squad filler we should target?

Or we sell them which will likely be impossible with Danilo given his injuries. Wouldn't mind if we sold Dessers but then we're still looking for 1 or 3 in again 

Im inclined to keep Dessers due to his exploits this year however any striker coming in regardless of who they replace is going to be judged on goals scored. With Danilo still to hit the heights and coming off injury I dont think we will get rid. Clement could then quite rightly decide to get rid of Dessers if he has his own targets in mind. I think one of McBurnie or Shankland is an easy option to bring in for Roofe (also impacts the scottish player rule) giving us Danilo, McBurnie or Shankland and whoever Clement would have in mind if Dessers went. Fingers crossed we can recoup some money for Lammers, any of that could go towards Shankland or a Dessers replacement

[MacBoyd 5,650]

22 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said:

Must be brilliant being a club like us who can afford to have 4 and 6 million pound strikers as second and third choice.

Exactly people need to get real we can't have a 2nd and 3rd choice on 30k, we'll we certainly shouldn't 

[SeparateEntityMyArse 54,319]

9 minutes ago, MacBoyd said:

Exactly people need to get real we can't have a 2nd and 3rd choice on 30k, we'll we certainly shouldn't 

How many strikers do we need? Do we currently have them? If not are we looking for a cheapie option as back up?

For me the only specialist role we should be considering bringing in a back up is keeper to replace McLaughlin (assuming we've nothing already in the ranks). The likes of Barron as a back up CM is fine as long as more CMs are coming in.

We simply can't bring in many more squad fillers. It's not about how much they cost but how good they are. I'm hoping for better than Dessers and Danilo, and how much either the new guy or Danilo / Dessers costs isn't the main factor.

[Loyal72 12,259]

33 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said:

Must be brilliant being a club like us who can afford to have 4 and 6 million pound strikers as second and third choice.

"Ho ho, they've saw you comin"

[STEPPS BOY 75,116]

18 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Next season we stick with those two, bring in someone else, promote from within. 

Is 2 enough? Who from within is capable? If we bring in more is it a squad filler we should target?

Or we sell them which will likely be impossible with Danilo given his injuries. Wouldn't mind if we sold Dessers but then we're still looking for 1 or 3 in again 

People need to get real. If we’re bringing in what most would consider to be a league title winning striker then one of them, which would more than likely be Dessers, would have to be sold to fund that.

 

[BlueAvenger 10,516]

Fair play to him as his scoring record is decent and he’s always been available but…he’s not good enough  so we should try to offload him and hopefully for a decent fee. 

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,013]

22 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

We've always needed at least 3 main strikers. With Roofe going we need one more at least in. I'd rather we got a starter than a squad filler.

Young boy would be training with 1st team but playing primarily with Bs 

We have your 10m talent just now, who do you think we will / should target to supplement Danilo and Dessers, if anyone?

Theres absolutely no chance a hot youth prospect striker is going to come to us for B team games when they could get top level games elsewhere 

And again, we don't have the money to spunk say another 4mill on a top class striker, and theh have dessers and danilo fighting it out with them, 

We play 1 up top, we only need two main strikers fighting it out and a 3rd of a cheap backup

Remember we could very well have lammers coming back to us which could be another one up front

[SeparateEntityMyArse 54,319]

4 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said:

People need to get real. If we’re bringing in what most would consider to be a league title winning striker then one of them, which would more than likely be Dessers, would have to be sold to fund that.

 

So what do we need as it stands and what do we do?

We've spent 10m on those 2, how do we move forward to have CF that win us the league?

[Inigo 32,689]

Ahh, nice to see that most folk seem to have come round to the fact that 'shite' is not a very accurate description of him. 

I'd probably still sell him, though, if we can get good money.

If he was taking penalties like many strikers do, he's a 25-30 goal a season player this season. His return isn’t going to be easy for someone coming in to emulate.

[SeparateEntityMyArse 54,319]

4 minutes ago, Jimfanciesthedude said:

Theres absolutely no chance a hot youth prospect striker is going to come to us for B team games when they could get top level games elsewhere 

And again, we don't have the money to spunk say another 4mill on a top class striker, and theh have dessers and danilo fighting it out with them, 

We play 1 up top, we only need two main strikers fighting it out and a 3rd of a cheap backup

Remember we could very well have lammers coming back to us which could be another one up front

So to win the league we gamble on:

1. Danilo ( a year injured and pretty much untested with us)

2. Dessers ( decent return but splits support and many would prefer sold)

3. Cheap option, expected to offer less than the above two.

 

An injury to Danilo scares the shit out me with that list of options tbh.

[STEPPS BOY 75,116]

4 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

So what do we need as it stands and what do we do?

We've spent 10m on those 2, how do we move forward to have CF that win us the league?

We either stick with Dessers or we sell him and bring in someone new.

We can’t have two big earners sitting there as 2nd/3rd choice strikers.

That needs to stop.

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,013]

3 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

So to win the league we gamble on:

1. Danilo ( a year injured and pretty much untested with us)

2. Dessers ( decent return but splits support and many would prefer sold)

3. Cheap option, expected to offer less than the above two.

 

An injury to Danilo scares the shit out me with that list of options tbh.

Only clement will know, unfortunately we probably are spending the guts of 40k a week on 2 strikers the now, add another one to that, thats 3mill a year give or take just on 3 players, 2 who wont start every week

Ideally we'd move both on (danilo not had a chance however the club needs a clean slate) thank dessers for all he's done and wave bye bye, and let clement get his own strikers in 

If not then you punt dessers given he's most valuable the now, and replace him with someone better (a striker in the jelavic mould, someone who is pretty much nailed on starter) have danilo as backup and a youth or a very cheap domestic option as squad bulker player

[SeparateEntityMyArse 54,319]

6 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said:

We either stick with Dessers or we sell him and bring in someone new.

We can’t have two big earners sitting there as 2nd/3rd choice strikers.

That needs to stop.

So Danilo and Dessers and that's it?

[OrangeRab 3,061]

7 minutes ago, Inigo said:

Ahh, nice to see that most folk seem to have come round to the fact that 'shite' is not a very accurate description of him. 

I'd probably still sell him, though, if we can get good money.

If he was taking penalties like many strikers do, he's a 25-30 goal a season player this season. His return isn’t going to be easy for someone coming in to emulate.

Not sure tbh. Almost every striker we’ve had since Gerrard arrived has had as good a return or better than Dessers. (For time on the pitch). Morelos at his peak was far ahead. Colak scored at a better rate but offered less in his all round game.

Our style is one where everything is geared towards creating chances for our one striker.

 

 

[superallysbears 7,852]

Id keep Dessers and punt Danilo, we know what we're getting with Dessers and there's part of me thinks Danilo will turn into the new Roofe never far away from the treatment table, we've had enough of that pish.

[STEPPS BOY 75,116]

3 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

So Danilo and Dessers and that's it?

With either a low cost back up or a forward type that can fill in anywhere across the front three.

We are on bones of our arse financially, our wage bill is an absolute disgrace yet some think we can have a £ 6 million third choice attacker.

 

Mental.

[Inigo 32,689]

20 minutes ago, OrangeRab said:

Not sure tbh. Almost every striker we’ve had since Gerrard arrived has had as good a return or better than Dessers. (For time on the pitch). Morelos at his peak was far ahead. Colak scored at a better rate but offered less in his all round game.

Our style is one where everything is geared towards creating chances for our one striker.

 

 

Morelos' peak. didn’t last all that long. Did someone not say Dessers has outscored 4 of his 6 seasons? Doubt their gpm is wildly different given Morelos wasn't subbed or sub as often.

Not that I've ever said he's better than, or as good as, Morelos. Only that 'he's shite' is nonsense.

[WilliamMunny 3,291]

Think we need 3 strikers. So if we lose Roofe Lammers and Dessers then we will need to bring 2 in. I am hoping we get at least some of our money back on them and reinvest.

[Malkytfp1 18,787]

Love him or hate him, his numbers are decent. Get half that amount of goals from another striker and goals aren't our problem. I'd say money needs spent more on goal contributions from other areas for example out wide, number 10 or midfield.

[Essandoh 21,384]

33 minutes ago, superallysbears said:

Id keep Dessers and punt Danilo, we know what we're getting with Dessers and there's part of me thinks Danilo will turn into the new Roofe never far away from the treatment table, we've had enough of that pish.

Based on what? He never had any injury problems before arriving here and the two injuries he’s had are both in their own right pretty unfortunate

[SeparateEntityMyArse 54,319]

30 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said:

With either a low cost back up or a forward type that can fill in anywhere across the front three.

We are on bones of our arse financially, our wage bill is an absolute disgrace yet some think we can have a £ 6 million third choice attacker.

 

Mental.

We need better than those 2 regardless of what those 2 cost. And a 3rd low cost acceptable option that can cover 3 positions? Unlikely

I'd hope to sell Lammers for 3m and add a bit to it to get better than what we have. Lammers and Roofes salaries are available.

CF isn't the area to gamble on again, this season has been plenty and with 60 or whatever games a season we need more numbers and better than what we have.

[OrangeRab 3,061]

20 minutes ago, Inigo said:

Morelos' peak. didn’t last all that long. Did someone not say Dessers has outscored 4 of his 6 seasons? Doubt their gpm is wildly different given Morelos wasn't subbed or sub as often.

Not that I've ever said he's better than, or as good as, Morelos. Only that 'he's shite' is nonsense.

Yeh agreed I don’t think he’s shite. I just think the way we are structured whoever signs will score goals in that team