Done with the same old faces

[lau03143 84]

10 hours ago, MrMckee said:

We need a complete clear out of players from the Gerrard era. What other team would keep the same losers around year after year? 

We're only left really with Tav, Goldson, Barisic and Jack and that has been the backbone of our team since 2018. What have we won in that time 1 league, 1 league cup and 1 Scottish cup. Not a great return, especially when for most of those seasons we seem to be in with a good shout then we shit the bed when it counts.

[sRcFoCt 7,668]

Captain disappointed warned us 4 years ago

[kris1984 1,269]

I think it’s easier to go through squad and say what players to keep rather than bin! 

Butland - keep unless big bid

Souttar - Keep

Ridvan - keep unless big bid

None of midfield. especially Cantwell who is just Windass 2.0 and Lawrence. Both myths.

Danilo

Maybe Matondo

Grim. I dunno how it’s got this bad.

[Loyal72 11,188]

People are already consoling themselves "Ach we won't get rid of Tav, but this and that and that's fine"

Any rebuild, if Tav's still here and still captain, then it's groundhog day and pointless.

If we are rebuilding, should be entirely, his position too.

[kris1984 1,269]

2 minutes ago, Loyal72 said:

People are already consoling themselves "Ach we won't get rid of Tav, but this and that and that's fine"

Any rebuild, if Tav's still here and still captain, then it's groundhog day and pointless.

If we are rebuilding, should be entirely, his position too.

100% mate also can’t make same mistake we made with Goldson and give Lundstram a new deal.

[DeanMK 4,670]

9 minutes ago, Loyal72 said:

People are already consoling themselves "Ach we won't get rid of Tav, but this and that and that's fine"

Any rebuild, if Tav's still here and still captain, then it's groundhog day and pointless.

If we are rebuilding, should be entirely, his position too.

Anyone thinking he won't be here next season is kidding themselves on. 32 and 2 years left on his contract. 

Maybe Gerrard will come in for him, but not sure if he would even want to leave.

[docspiderman 1,228]

Crazy that a few weeks ago we had the best defensive stats and second top goals scored. What has changed? Basically the same back 4  with Borna/ Ridvan, and Balogun/Souttar.

Has the introduction of Lawrence and Dowell caused so much disruption to the set up?

Something has caused this implosion at the back and at the front.

 

[Loyal72 11,188]

14 minutes ago, DeanMK said:

Anyone thinking he won't be here next season is kidding themselves on. 32 and 2 years left on his contract. 

Maybe Gerrard will come in for him, but not sure if he would even want to leave.

If we're kidding ourselves on, what's the bloody point? 

Exactly the guy is 32, and declining.

If I'm still having to talk about him going into next season, it's fucking insanity mate.

[SkylineBlue 23,423]

You're talking about 90% of that squad having to be gutted and new players brought in before a title is realistic. It's close to impossible in one window. 

[Loyal72 11,188]

1 minute ago, SkylineBlue said:

You're talking about 90% of that squad having to be gutted and new players brought in before a title is realistic. It's close to impossible in one window. 

Don't care what it takes. Majority of this squad have had their chances, more than enough. 

The experiment is done for me tbh.

[Drunk and disorderly. 14,476]

6 minutes ago, docspiderman said:

Crazy that a few weeks ago we had the best defensive stats and second top goals scored. What has changed? Basically the same back 4  with Borna/ Ridvan, and Balogun/Souttar.

Has the introduction of Lawrence and Dowell caused so much disruption to the set up?

Something has caused this implosion at the back and at the front.

 

 

We clearly don't have the depth of squad to win the league. Too many players who are injury prone, simply not good enough, players who know they are getting moved on and a few who simply don't have the nerve required.

Huge changes are required. But can we move enough of players on and will Phil get the required funds to rebuild? I bloody hope so.

 

[CoplandRoad83 3,282]

Utter shitebags to a man. If I had consistently underperfomed as much as they have I would accept being sacked, never mind taking home high wages.

 

[CoplandRoad83 3,282]

14 minutes ago, docspiderman said:

Crazy that a few weeks ago we had the best defensive stats and second top goals scored. What has changed? Basically the same back 4  with Borna/ Ridvan, and Balogun/Souttar.

Has the introduction of Lawrence and Dowell caused so much disruption to the set up?

Something has caused this implosion at the back and at the front.

 

Theres no mystery. This group of players can play when there is no pressure. Once the pressure is on, they capitulate. Underdogs in Europe: find form. When the elague is written off or over: find form. When we are expected to win: shit the bed.

Its mentality, these are small time players not befitting of a club of our size. 

[DeanMK 4,670]

17 minutes ago, Loyal72 said:

If we're kidding ourselves on, what's the bloody point? 

Exactly the guy is 32, and declining.

If I'm still having to talk about him going into next season, it's fucking insanity mate.

Agree that we need to start looking at watering his minutes down, but can almost guarantee that he won't be gone in the summer.

[OrangeRab 2,764]

The mentality/pressure thing is a bit tedious. It’s definitely a factor but it’s not everything.

If this team was to play Ross County in a pressure free friendly this week I’d fully expect an absolute struggle again. 

[Loyal72 11,188]

2 minutes ago, DeanMK said:

Agree that we need to start looking at watering his minutes down, but can almost guarantee that he won't be gone in the summer.

Even if it's the case we can't get rid immediately, he can sit on the bench. 

We'll use him like an NFL specialist player if we really need a deadball goal in the closing minutes.

But nah, can't continue in same form - he's part of the problem.

[King Jela 20,371]

Same players season after season. 

Manager needs to genuinely get rid of as many as he possibly can this summer. 

We're right back to where we were when Gerrard first took over.

[SIRB_72 4,001]

The "old guard" has to go but whether that is possible especially with Tav and Goldson is probably unlikely unfortunately.

We have Jack, Barisic, Baolgun, Lundstram and Roofe all out of contract and Scott Wright with 1 year left. So that is something and I would definetely be pushing Wright out the door.

Out of this group that has played 2+ years the only one I'd consider keeping is Balogun as a cheap and experienced centre half. Also the only player in our squad who has played more than 1 season and won something every year he has played with us.

The batch who signed from summer 2022 and onwards a small percentage of them are any good and a high percentage of them are injured a lot.

Though the experienced ones need removed the newer recruits hardly give you hope.

[sRcFoCt 7,668]

5 minutes ago, OrangeRab said:

The mentality/pressure thing is a bit tedious. It’s definitely a factor but it’s not everything.

If this team was to play Ross County in a pressure free friendly this week I’d fully expect an absolute struggle again. 

Have to disagree Rab when the title is over these players play like prime barca beat that mob in a non meaningful game come back with the buzz words and shit the bed.

No surprise anymore we won that title when no fans were allowed in.

[SkylineBlue 23,423]

20 minutes ago, Loyal72 said:

Don't care what it takes. Majority of this squad have had their chances, more than enough. 

The experiment is done for me tbh.

I agree with the sentiment, but that sort of overhaul requires a lot of resources that we likely don't have.

[6superbarry6 14,159]

Here’s hoping the Tav to Saudi chat has something in it, probably the only hope we have of getting rid of him (and Goldson)

[Loyal72 11,188]

Just now, SkylineBlue said:

I agree with the sentiment, but that sort of overhaul requires a lot of resources that we likely don't have.

If it's the case we're in a position that we can't overhaul a shite squad that has delivered minimal success over the years, then I've got to be worried to be honest.

Players aside, if the investment and board aren't capable of funding a Rangers team to succeed, then they aren't the proper people either.

We're fucked if that's the case basically.

[SkylineBlue 23,423]

Just now, Loyal72 said:

If it's the case we're in a position that we can't overhaul a shite squad that has delivered minimal success over the years, then I've got to be worried to be honest.

Players aside, if the investment and board aren't capable of funding a Rangers team to succeed, then they aren't the proper people either.

We're fucked if that's the case basically.

I think we all have reason to be worried, if we're being very honest with ourselves.

[6superbarry6 14,159]

2 minutes ago, SkylineBlue said:

I agree with the sentiment, but that sort of overhaul requires a lot of resources that we likely don't have.

Depends who we can sell surely? I’d also hope we are scouring the Bosman market as we aren’t getting anywhere near value for money for our wage bill, get rid of as many as possible and replace them, there isn’t a single player in that squad who isn’t replaceable and I’d be worried about losing, I’m including Butland in that as well tbh his comments after the Ross County game doesn’t come across as someone with the right attitude tbh.

[AGM_72 3,643]

Leadership group that fails to lead isn't fit for purpose.

There's plenty who need to go but it has to start with senior guys who fail to take responsibility on the pitch. 

Tav, ironically, has probably shown the most leadership through the amount of times he's bailed us out with goals. But it's clear as day he shrinks in the face of adversity and that cancels out the positives of a goalscoring right back. It clearly infects his general play and decision making because he's been woeful since Motherwell.