ayro 3,518 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 10 hours ago, RFC55 said: Because that's not how it works 🤣🤣🤣. The contractors will order it in but won't sit with it "stored" as it goes as a negative on their books. It also depends on what terms Rangers have with their contractors who will be due monies either 30, 45 or 60 days after works completed Not many companies could afford to order and pay and store materials for ,6 months or so waiting on material 🤣🤣 Bang on but hasn’t helped with some of the decision making / planning by the club, similar to Blue Sky & NEH. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayro 3,518 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 15 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: Seems like excuses tbh when materials being an integral part of the build need to come from so far, with lengthy lead times, and we've not got them checked and double checked before we start the work. I'd get new problems that contractors couldn't be aware of delaying a job. But materials just shouldn't be given how long it takes to get them and us having a set tight timescale. And my point about extensions was in relation to cost being why the material wouldn't be brought in for the start of the works. The club front loaded elements of Blue Sky and NEH for materials but both still overran, NEH was partly down to the club changing the layout and operation of the Museum as an example. There are many variables that can cause these type of issues but unless you are involved in the process it’s all subjective and does come across as excuses. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helicopter Sundae 6,458 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 3 hours ago, esquire8 said: The cunts will do everything then can to fuck us over. Bobby Hume, Hadron Collider and DT78 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 55,426 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 12 minutes ago, ayro said: The club front loaded elements of Blue Sky and NEH for materials but both still overran, NEH was partly down to the club changing the layout and operation of the Museum as an example. There are many variables that can cause these type of issues but unless you are involved in the process it’s all subjective and does come across as excuses. Neither of those impacted on the club fulfilling fixture schedules. Delays were an inconvenience but not potentially affecting match results. When the tight timescale was set then it makes sense that everything would be done to mitigate risks, including the right materials being present at the right time. If that meant delivered early, checked and secured away then so much the better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayro 3,518 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 12 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: Neither of those impacted on the club fulfilling fixture schedules. Delays were an inconvenience but not potentially affecting match results. When the tight timescale was set then it makes sense that everything would be done to mitigate risks, including the right materials being present at the right time. If that meant delivered early, checked and secured away then so much the better. Yep agreed but as I said in my previous post there are many variables that can undo the plan and that appears to be the scenario that we are unfortunately in. SeparateEntityMyArse and KeyserSoze 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal72 13,806 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 45 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: Seems like excuses tbh when materials being an integral part of the build need to come from so far, with lengthy lead times, and we've not got them checked and double checked before we start the work. I'd get new problems that contractors couldn't be aware of delaying a job. But materials just shouldn't be given how long it takes to get them and us having a set tight timescale. And my point about extensions was in relation to cost being why the material wouldn't be brought in for the start of the works. I don't buy that the delay is solely down to materials being held up, but without being on site I can't claim to know what's actually causing the delay other than what we were all initially told about the materials. I know, but with your point about house extensions etc - my point was the materials are readily available and will usually be there for the start of works. Work isn't advancing past demolition and removal of existing structures within the Copland for the access area at the moment and we only know that because of the videos we've seen, Rangers still haven't actually told us much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer93 15,484 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 2 hours ago, Johnnyem said: Well that was a bit daft placing that there when it had no materials to lift into place, and it's no doubt costing a fortune for the hire of. Do you think we have brought that crane in and it has been sitting doing fuck all for 6 weeks....I'm not sure if you have noticed but their has been work done it just happens that we have now hit a delay, their is no way we are bringing that thing in and out to play these games....far too much hassle, we just have to suck it and see for the time being until we are able to see the work recommence JackAlex93 and Dan Deacon 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 45,321 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Sports bar is currently a canteen for the construction workers despite it meant to be open for the start of the season. SPWF 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lockin 4,019 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 1 hour ago, esquire8 said: Sports bar is currently a canteen for the construction workers despite it meant to be open for the start of the season. Meant to be open in January Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal72 13,806 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,989 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 8 hours ago, RFC55 said: That's not really how it works in the land of maintenance and construction Yes it is for very tight schedule contracts. Nothing to stop materials being brought to site in advance of work commencing. I've been involved in major projects on very tight programmes which required materials on site before work commenced. If the club had ensured that the most important materials were on site or stored nearby then we wouldn't be in this situation. It's amateur hour. What makes the issue worse is the lack of clarity from the Club. All sorts of rumours springing up and it's all so unnecessary if we just kept the fans informed. MVRanger, HG5, BlueKnight87 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 15,293 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 1 hour ago, Lord Lockin said: Meant to be open in January How can we open in January without a drinks license ya tool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 77,643 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Is there enough traffic on match day to Justify another bar considering we already have Ed House? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacky Bear 971 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 The Board know it's October/ Nov earliest but treating fans with no respect whats so ever. Cunts of the highest order. Drunk and disorderly. and VanVeenRangers 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk and disorderly. 15,081 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 7 hours ago, Helicopter Sundae said: The cunts will do everything then can to fuck us over. Aye. I very much doubt they will help us out. If anything they will look at this as an opportunity to put the boot in. Probably spout their sporting integrity pish yet again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 55,426 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 39 minutes ago, Loyal72 said: Might pop in on the opening day for our first game of the season at Ibrox. Probably go for a gluhwein given the time of year it'll be.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie1963 2,390 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 51 minutes ago, Blacky Bear said: The Board know it's October/ Nov earliest but treating fans with no respect whats so ever. Cunts of the highest order. Do you know this for sure or conjecture? rbt1548 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 37,625 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 1 hour ago, JCDBigBear said: Yes it is for very tight schedule contracts. Nothing to stop materials being brought to site in advance of work commencing. I've been involved in major projects on very tight programmes which required materials on site before work commenced. If the club had ensured that the most important materials were on site or stored nearby then we wouldn't be in this situation. It's amateur hour. What makes the issue worse is the lack of clarity from the Club. All sorts of rumours springing up and it's all so unnecessary if we just kept the fans informed. 100%. Often see situations where the customer / client / tier 1 contractor orders the materials on behalf of the sub-contractor too if there’s risk. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacky Bear 971 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 1 hour ago, Dickie1963 said: Do you know this for sure or conjecture? It's not fact as it could take longer. They have fucked it again, got away with past failures as it never effected games. This one fucks up everything. Gives a Manager who should be delivering the perfect excuse already. Dickie1963 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertz85 1,359 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 11 hours ago, Helicopter Sundae said: The cunts will do everything then can to fuck us over. Note we were one of them to help...perhaps we were due to play them home first though Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 15,293 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 14 hours ago, Dickie1963 said: Do you know this for sure or conjecture? Made it up Dickie1963 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyem 233 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Teams parking the bus has been done many times, but I doubt if 'parking the crane' will catch on. KeyserSoze, .Williamson. and Hadron Collider 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 55,426 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 17 hours ago, JCDBigBear said: Yes it is for very tight schedule contracts. Nothing to stop materials being brought to site in advance of work commencing. I've been involved in major projects on very tight programmes which required materials on site before work commenced. If the club had ensured that the most important materials were on site or stored nearby then we wouldn't be in this situation. It's amateur hour. What makes the issue worse is the lack of clarity from the Club. All sorts of rumours springing up and it's all so unnecessary if we just kept the fans informed. Exactly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanVeenRangers 2,707 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 18 hours ago, STEPPS BOY said: Is there enough traffic on match day to Justify another bar considering we already have Ed House? Yes. The queue for EH on match day is pretty heavy. And you can't move to get to the bar. Amato 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVRanger 2,876 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 18 hours ago, JCDBigBear said: Yes it is for very tight schedule contracts. Nothing to stop materials being brought to site in advance of work commencing. I've been involved in major projects on very tight programmes which required materials on site before work commenced. If the club had ensured that the most important materials were on site or stored nearby then we wouldn't be in this situation. It's amateur hour. What makes the issue worse is the lack of clarity from the Club. All sorts of rumours springing up and it's all so unnecessary if we just kept the fans informed. This 100%. If cash is an issue for the contractor, there is a "vesting" mechanism available in most construction contracts to enable any materials subject to availability / inflation issues to be secured early. I have to say, if the materials story is true, it constitutes incompetence on an epic scale considering this season could be era-defining in respect of the income differentials between the new CL format and EL this coming season. However, it's by far the least worst option compared to the rumour mill speculation currently circulating. graeme_4 and HG5 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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