Popular Post K.A.I 36,183 Posted July 27, 2016 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2016 Club1872 had intimated an interest in this to D'Art earlier tonight - so I've sent them an email outlining everything that's happened with copies of the letters attached. I don't want to copy and paste the exact content of my email as it contains a little bit of sensitive court case information that I had to add in for background that I'm not comfortable with a public forum accessing - hope you's understand. Any developments or progress I will let everyone know. Courtyard Bear, Tiger Shaw, Irn Blu and 8 others 11 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoplandStandBear 995 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 55 minutes ago, theclothmonster said: Can't let anything get in the way of that bridge building now can we. Good job the papers don't fuck us over every day as it is........oh wait they do. Well they aren't going to go any easier on us if a guy we didn't ban is in the papers again. I doubt the club takes decisions like this lightly, it seems a last resort. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theclothmonster 1,716 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 1 minute ago, CoplandStandBear said: Well they aren't going to go any easier on us if a guy we didn't ban is in the papers again. I doubt the club takes decisions like this lightly, it seems a last resort. Why wouldnt the club ban him if he's convicted? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoplandStandBear 995 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, theclothmonster said: Why wouldnt the club ban him if he's convicted? The club don't have to wait on a court of law to make a decision, the club are judge, jury and executioner. If you get arrested you've broke their terms of bringing the club into disrepute and you're out. Follow With Pride from 2007: Fans who do behave in an inappropriate manner, bringing the club into disrepute, will face limited or lifetime bans, loss of season ticket or arrest by the police. Bans will apply to supporters clubs as well as individuals. That was from 9 years ago, so the rules have been in place long enough for people to know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,678 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 15 minutes ago, CoplandStandBear said: The club don't have to wait on a court of law to make a decision, the club are judge, jury and executioner. If you get arrested you've broke their terms of bringing the club into disrepute and you're out. Follow With Pride from 2007: That was from 9 years ago, so the rules have been in place long enough for people to know. Again, there is someone pleading not guilty to not being on the pitch, why have the club took their Season book off them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 3 hours ago, K.A.I said: 17 minutes ago, CoplandStandBear said: The club don't have to wait on a court of law to make a decision, the club are judge, jury and executioner. If you get arrested you've broke their terms of bringing the club into disrepute and you're out. Follow With Pride from 2007: That was from 9 years ago, so the rules have been in place long enough for people to know. I notice you dodged the point I made that the club isn't obligated to ban anyone even if the court bans them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theclothmonster 1,716 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 24 minutes ago, CoplandStandBear said: The club don't have to wait on a court of law to make a decision, the club are judge, jury and executioner. If you get arrested you've broke their terms of bringing the club into disrepute and you're out. Follow With Pride from 2007: That was from 9 years ago, so the rules have been in place long enough for people to know. and whats your stance on any bears who are banned and are then found not guilty in a court of law? Just tough shit for them eh? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MolsGoals 96 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Disgusted at this, well seen Dave King has stopped his round of questions. An answer should be demanded by the club ASAP. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,281 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Can't believe people just aren't getting the point, it's utterly bizarre. D'Artagnan and dougie76 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoplandStandBear 995 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 52 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said: Again, there is someone pleading not guilty to not being on the pitch, why have the club took their Season book off them? They got arrested and brought the club into disrepute most probably. The club aren't going to give you the benefit of the doubt and they tell you that on the ticket. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoplandStandBear 995 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 45 minutes ago, theclothmonster said: and whats your stance on any bears who are banned and are then found not guilty in a court of law? Just tough shit for them eh? They can contact Rangers to see if the ban will be lifted, but that is up to the discretion of the club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theclothmonster 1,716 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Just now, CoplandStandBear said: They can contact Rangers to see if the ban will be lifted, but that is up to the discretion of the club. Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoplandStandBear 995 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 37 minutes ago, Big Al II said: Can't believe people just aren't getting the point, it's utterly bizarre. If you get arrested they don't want you back until the case is resolved and maybe not even then. If you plead not guilty and they let you back and you got arrested again it is going to look bad for the club and for you. People are acting like they didn't know they'd keep your money when they state it pretty clearly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,281 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 1 hour ago, CoplandStandBear said: If you get arrested they don't want you back until the case is resolved and maybe not even then. If you plead not guilty and they let you back and you got arrested again it is going to look bad for the club and for you. People are acting like they didn't know they'd keep your money when they state it pretty clearly. No people aren't acting like that at all, they are pointing out that based on the timings the club accepted their renewals all the time knowing they were about to ban them. The club are perfectly within their rights to ban whoever they want, indeed they probably don't need to justify it at all. That doesn't make it right. FFS we've been shown how to handle this situation by Hibs. Think about that. siddiqi_drinker and gmcf 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozblue 4,331 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 9 hours ago, Courtyard Bear said: Jeez, stop digging before you hit Australia. Hey you, shut da fuck up...We have enough fucking illegal immigrants as it is here Courtyard Bear, dougie76, HG5 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp9 753 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 You can only hope that the club will lift the bans if some bears are found not guilty in the courts. It's a farce but just another example of the board covering their on backs before that of the fans. I hate to play the victim card, but far too often we are at the receiving end of disproportionate punishments. For too long we've taken it sitting down, and the boards actions show that this is destined to continue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozblue 4,331 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 8 hours ago, K.A.I said: Fantastic, another low counter poster popping up with this point of view. Point missed again. In at least one of these two cases where fans got the letters there has been a not guilty plea with a trial set for Jan with no guilt attributed or proven as of typing and certainly as of typing they letters. That's the crux of the issue. Your other point about don't like it, don't buy a ticket. I totally agree. As I said last night I think it's mental to buy a season ticket off Rangers if they can just take it off you when there's no guilt attributed with no compensation. Madness. There are a lot of Jethro Tull posters appearing on this thread, mate! K.A.I 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozblue 4,331 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 7 hours ago, Courtyard Bear said: “We acknowledge that a tiny minority of Rangers fans also encroached on the pitch but only after having been faced with prolonged and severe provocation and in order to protect our players and officials who were being visibly attacked in front of them. Any club’s supporters would have done the same. This distressing and deeply disturbing episode would never have happened had Hibs fans behaved properly but as they swarmed across the pitch it became immediately obvious that the security procedures were inadequate and had failed.” Cant see much condemnation in that statement. And there lies the crux of the defence for those who got banning letters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozblue 4,331 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 5 hours ago, K.A.I said: "more trouble" ? You are really struggling to grasp this, aren't you? Mate! do you remember the old Jew who went to the wailing wall every day for 50 years to ask for peace in the world, but in the end he said it was like talking to a fucking brick wall? It wasn't you, perchance? HG5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share Posted July 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, Ozblue said: Mate! do you remember the old Jew who went to the wailing wall every day for 50 years to ask for peace in the world, but in the end he said it was like talking to a fucking brick wall? It wasn't you, perchance? Fucking feels like it mate !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozblue 4,331 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 27 minutes ago, K.A.I said: Fucking feels like it mate !! I really sit here and shake my head at some of these posts; and as for the analogies being offered as an argument the club was right to take this action is for me fucking unbelievable and for reading the T&C of a ticket; who the fuck reads that stuff before buying a season book? I'm sure if the Hibs fans hadn't came on the pitch, our supporters would have ran 120 yards to gub some fucking spoonburner for no reason By fuck we have some gormless white flag waving pacifists in our support these days...Thank fuck they aren't in the trenches with me, I can tell you. K.A.I, Three stripes, ForeverAndEver and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoplandStandBear 995 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Big Al II said: No people aren't acting like that at all, they are pointing out that based on the timings the club accepted their renewals all the time knowing they were about to ban them. The club are perfectly within their rights to ban whoever they want, indeed they probably don't need to justify it at all. That doesn't make it right. FFS we've been shown how to handle this situation by Hibs. Think about that. When you bring the club into disrepute they'll fuck you for it. It doesn't matter about what you plead or your excuses, the club don't care when they are getting associated with it. The easiest thing to do is for them to wash their hands of you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoplandStandBear 995 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 51 minutes ago, Ozblue said: I really sit here and shake my head at some of these posts; and as for the analogies being offered as an argument the club was right to take this action is for me fucking unbelievable and for reading the T&C of a ticket; who the fuck reads that stuff before buying a season book? I'm sure if the Hibs fans hadn't came on the pitch, our supporters would have ran 120 yards to gub some fucking spoonburner for no reason By fuck we have some gormless white flag waving pacifists in our support these days...Thank fuck they aren't in the trenches with me, I can tell you. Ignorance is not a defence. The club don't really give a fuck about the supporters, if you read the terms you'd know that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozblue 4,331 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 1 minute ago, CoplandStandBear said: Ignorance is not a defence. The club don't really give a fuck about the supporters, if you read the terms you'd know that. For fuck sake, you come away with some shite about reading T&C...who the fuck reads T&C when buying a season book (apart from you) The whole point of this thread is that the club have acted like a fucking Kangaroo court in advance of any LEGAL verdict by a court of law, which they had no reason to do. Obviously you and a few others don't see it that way; which is your prerogative, but in my opinion is fucking wrong in many ways. In all my 60+ years being a Bear I have never been so disgusted and disappointed as I am today at a Rangers board...and that's saying something after the shite Moonbeams and that cunt Bain came out with. ***** The one thing I do agree with you is that the club couldn't give a fuck about the people who pay their wages...Spineless lily livered cunts that they are. gmcf, Big Al 55 and Gallant Pioneers 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaywalker 377 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Has anyone figured out how many banning orders have been dished out and if it was for specific offences, ie violence or just for being on the pitch. ps how many more folk are going to talk about being " in the trenches" it is a bit naff btw. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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