Popular Post markem 7,287 Posted July 28, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2016 Really feel for banned supporters that have no doubt followed all through the lower divisions and some shitty years to now be banned. I was at Hampden, and seen some of our own supporters having to grab the kids and swiftly head for an exit as that lot came flooding towards us. No one can ever say for sure what any individuals motives where for going on the pitch however the impact was it stopped those junkie bastards in their tracks and for that I consider myself in their debt. They deserve better from the club who recognised the truth of the matter within days of the game. RFC RYAN, Tiger Shaw, dougie76 and 6 others 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoplandStandBear 995 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 28 minutes ago, Willis said: Naw. Me calling you a mongo is the understatement of the year. You just said "It would be more than an idea, it would be a certainty. Why would they buy a ticket when they know they will be banned and lose all their money?" Which is a statement that completely contradicts itself, and now your backtracking and arguing the semantics between knowing something and being almost absolutely sure you'll be calling out folks spelling mistakes next and think you've won the argument They would have "more than an idea, it would be a certainty (that they'd be banned)" "Why would someone buy a ticket if they knew they were getting banned?" you said that in the same sentence what the fuck are you on about The following statement is true - the previous statement was false They knew they'd be in the papers and get a ban from Rangers and they still bought a ticket. How can you not understand something so simple? Rangers never phoned up and demanded they buy a ticket and then say you're banned give us your cash. I mean fuck sake Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Just now, CoplandStandBear said: They knew they'd be in the papers and get a ban from Rangers and they still bought a ticket. How can you not understand something so simple? Rangers never phoned up and demanded they buy a ticket and then say you're banned give us your cash. I mean fuck sake im done. You're too thick to argue with Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jintybear 8,536 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 26 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: RFFF!!!!!!!! But what about the stand. Silly me! Obviously that is far more important!!!! Courtyard Bear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoplandStandBear 995 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Just now, Willis said: im done. You're too thick to argue with They bought a ticket they knew they wouldn't be able to use. Who else is to blame but them? The club might refund them, but I wouldn't bet on it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markem 7,287 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 10 minutes ago, CoplandStandBear said: They knew they'd be in the papers and get a ban from Rangers and they still bought a ticket. How can you not understand something so simple? Rangers never phoned up and demanded they buy a ticket and then say you're banned give us your cash. I mean fuck sake You can't really say they knew they would get a ban. The club came out within days stating our support acted under provocation. Can't remember the exact words however the general take away from it wasn't that the club would ban supporters - far from it. Unless the club changed position on that however I do not recall that being the case RyanMac, Courtyard Bear, dougie76 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted July 28, 2016 Author Share Posted July 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, CoplandStandBear said: They bought a ticket they knew they wouldn't be able to use. Who else is to blame but them? The club might refund them, but I wouldn't bet on it. Where do you get this pish? Courtyard Bear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jintybear 8,536 Posted July 28, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, CoplandStandBear said: They bought a ticket they knew they wouldn't be able to use. Who else is to blame but them? The club might refund them, but I wouldn't bet on it. Read that. You will see that the general consensus is that club backed the fans who were provoked into going onto the pitch! How would they know at that time that the club would do a 360 degree u-turn bluedylan, Courtyard Bear, Tiger Shaw and 4 others 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoplandStandBear 995 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, K.A.I said: Where do you get this pish? Why would you think they wouldn't get banned? It seems pretty obvious given the media coverage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Shaw 30,639 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 8 minutes ago, CoplandStandBear said: They knew they'd be in the papers and get a ban from Rangers and they still bought a ticket. How can you not understand something so simple? Rangers never phoned up and demanded they buy a ticket and then say you're banned give us your cash. I mean fuck sake You still here yakking a lot of shite Just like the board you don't give a fuck about how loyal supporters are treated, you've made that perfectly clear... Don't know what else you expect to achieve here by banging the some old dull drum, apart from make yourself look even more wanky. Courtyard Bear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markem 7,287 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 1 minute ago, CoplandStandBear said: Why would you think they wouldn't get banned? It seems pretty obvious given the media coverage. The media don't decide, the club do. Whether any of us agree or disagree is irelevant, the club released a statement showing a lot of sympathy for the position of our support. There is no getting away from that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Rangers fans are idiots for not being able to predict the future Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markem 7,287 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Willis said: Rangers fans are idiots for not being able to predict the future Nostradamus likes this Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoplandStandBear 995 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 15 minutes ago, markem said: You can't really say they knew they would get a ban. The club came out within days stating our support acted under provocation. Can't remember the exact words however the general take away from it wasn't that the club would ban supporters - far from it. Unless the club changed position on that however I do not recall that being the case They ran the considerable risk of being banned and it looks to have failed. The club as a gesture might refund it, but if they don't their terms look pretty definitive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozblue 4,331 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 15 hours ago, jaywalker said: Has anyone figured out how many banning orders have been dished out and if it was for specific offences, ie violence or just for being on the pitch. ps how many more folk are going to talk about being " in the trenches" it is a bit naff btw. It's an euphemism; which might sound "naff" to you, but it's a pertinent description of what this thread is about. Btw! Have you ever been in the trenches? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,281 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, Ozblue said: It's an euphemism; which might sound "naff" to you, but it's a pertinent description of what this thread is about. Btw! Have you ever been in the trenches? Doubt too many left have been tbf Ozblue 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozblue 4,331 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 15 minutes ago, Big Al II said: Doubt too many left have been tbf I guess a lot on here would think the term "In the trenches" meant that you worked on a building site as an Irish navvy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piperpete 3,186 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 5 hours ago, CoplandStandBear said: Why would you think they wouldn't get banned? It seems pretty obvious given the media covs.trage. Its more like there have been deals done with the two clubs, police and sfa and the fans are being used as collateral damage, IT feckin stinks Smile, K.A.I and Darius72 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted July 28, 2016 Author Share Posted July 28, 2016 15 minutes ago, piperpete said: Its more like there have been deals done with the two clubs, police and sfa and the fans are being used as collateral damage, IT feckin stinks Bingo. Nail on the head, mate. RyanMac 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssexBear69 8 Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 7 hours ago, CoplandStandBear said: They bought a ticket they knew they wouldn't be able to use. Who else is to blame but them? The club might refund them, but I wouldn't bet on it. Follow With Pride dealt with a limited number of things like songs, banners, etc. so your quote of it's potential penalties doesn't really apply. The Season Book T&Cs that I think apply are: "Misconduct by the holder and /or failure to adhere to these conditions or the ground regulation or the holder acting in a manner which the Club considers is detrimental to it interests or it likely in the reasonable option of the Club, to bring football or the Club into disrepute shall permit the Club to confiscate or forfeit (in each case without compensation) this card and /or ban the holder from attending future matches or other events at the stadium for such period of time as the Club deems appropriate." So, nothing specific specified (like arrest), and also no commitment to do anything ("shall permit"). So, I'd say they didn't know they wouldn't be able to use them. I'm not sure how much small claims would be able to do unless it could be shown that the club had already decided to remove the ST prior to taking their money, or other unusual situations like this years ST being their first one, or being arrested but no charged, but might be worth a try, depending on the situation of individual cases. Out of everything here, the timing in relation to ST renewal is the most disgusting. (Hi. First post, be gentle. More of a reader than a poster, but this has me raging) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 10 hours ago, CoplandStandBear said: They knew they'd be in the papers and get a ban from Rangers and they still bought a ticket. How can you not understand something so simple? Rangers never phoned up and demanded they buy a ticket and then say you're banned give us your cash. I mean fuck sake What a cracker you are ffs Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 4 hours ago, piperpete said: Its more like there have been deals done with the two clubs, police and sfa and the fans are being used as collateral damage, IT feckin stinks Probably as the Rangers board have proved once again they have no backbone and I'm being kind . However if it were Rangers fans running on the pitch and roles were reversed ,I'm pretty certain the while agenda by Scottlands gestapo ,SFA and Hivs would be non negotiable . Rangers fc would already have had severe sanctions applied with all of these bastards making sure it happened Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanMac 185 Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 10 hours ago, jintybear said: Read that. You will see that the general consensus is that club backed the fans who were provoked into going onto the pitch! How would they know at that time that the club would do a 360 degree u-turn 180 degree u-turn I was about to post the same link. My head is actually sore trying to understand his argument, still can't believe someone is that daft, he must be at the windup. jintybear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,614 Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 What chance have we got when we have spineless pricks on the board? The usual mob will be ITT defending them to the hilt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ger4life_1872 29,628 Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 http://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/football-season-tickets-unfair-terms-consumer-contracts/ @K.A.I might be worth having a look into this mate in relation to getting money back , the office of fair trading seem to be the ppl to deal with this stuff , man utd were forced into changing their t&c's a cpl of years ago after complaints too so for braindead cunts like coplandstandbear just because its in the t&c doesnt mean its right or is above consumer laws jintybear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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