siamthedanger 2,855 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 40 minutes ago, cushynumber said: why? if he acts it costs him money do you think DK will do that? Nah...probably not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilly86 706 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, HG5 said: Dead on. And, to be fair, when it was good, it was very good. But that's a while ago now. The pressure's growing - hearing him whinging about the disallowed goal, then admitting that, one way or another, it was correct was cringeworthy. Not in a mood to hear him find excuses or deflect from what we all saw tonight, let alone the usual 'learning' pish. I can't see what he can or will change to make that pressure go away now. He has a pathetic record against the teams that he'd want to think of as being our closest competitors, last season included, despite having better resources. If he can't or won't change such a turgid team with the advantages he has, he should go. HG5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,567 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 10 minutes ago, FlashHarryForrester said: That's what's missing....we could press and bully teams in the Championship as their fitness was poor and usually their defenders wernt comfortable on the ball. When teams try to press the the barcas of the world, their defenders don't panic and pass the ball around. Kiernan is not a passer , so why bring him in, he doesn't fit the system in anyway.. Wilson can pass a little but still panics when pressed. Simply the players we have are not suited to the system we look to play. The system we stick to is easy to counter as we don't have the right players.... We give opposition managers the easiest decisions. Sit in and Counter our super slow back 5 Inc Haliday. ? punish us from Set Pieces ? orfill squad with fit youthful players to press force errors from defense.? Teams don't need to work out what we are going to do....it's the same shite every week. Hertz didn't sit in, they went for it and closed our back four right down whilst they done their usual and fannied about with the ball. As for our midfield, we didn't have one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Bear 8,110 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 29 minutes ago, ShanksRFC said: Well prepared and in good shape get him to fuck honestly. Team full of fucking idiots that need a severe boot up the arse. For me it's not the players, it's the system. Which he won't change. Needs out the fucking door. ShanksRFC 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilly86 706 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said: Hertz didn't sit in, they went for it and closed our back four right down whilst they done their usual and fannied about with the ball. As for our midfield, we didn't have one. The scariest part of tonight for me. Lots of teams sit back and happily watch us go nowhere with 70% possession, knowing that there's a good chance it will work for them. To see it turn to that complete shambles when the opposition do decide to get the ball back... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelavic191 4,457 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 6 minutes ago, Leeds_Bear said: For me it's not the players, it's the system. Which he won't change. Needs out the fucking door. The players are lacking in the quality we need to challenge but it would at least be helpful to play to their strengths to get the best out of them rather than shoe horn them into this "style" of play. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Bear 8,110 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Just now, Jelavic191 said: The players are lacking in the quality we need to challenge but it would at least be helpful to play to their strengths to get the best out of them rather than shoe horn them into this "style" of play. Not sure I can make a fair assessment of them under this system and management. I have seen quality from most of them as individuals but as a unit they're not being utilised. HG5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob1873 417 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 1 minute ago, Leeds_Bear said: Not sure I can make a fair assessment of them under this system and management. I have seen quality from most of them as individuals but as a unit they're not being utilised. I think you have a point. We don't play to suit the players we force them into a system that suits Warburton. Hence Garner and MOH look so poor. Neither are equipped to play how he wants so why buy them? BigBearButt 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billscott 2,463 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 13 minutes ago, Leeds_Bear said: For me it's not the players, it's the system. Which he won't change. Needs out the fucking door. the players are not good enough either our whole team is far too soft and lightweight while the league might not be great quality all the teams are physical and work hard i am afraid there is a lot more pain to come BigBearButt 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsa 3,906 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 5 minutes ago, bob1873 said: I think you have a point. We don't play to suit the players we force them into a system that suits Warburton. Hence Garner and MOH look so poor. Neither are equipped to play how he wants so why buy them? MOH looks so poor because he's an awful footballer. Ivybank 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangersfansmediawatch 1,055 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Predicted this would happen last night,Form has been absolutely rotten,Far to many passengers,there is no quality in the side,Buckle up and get used to this for years if big bucks are not spent on decent quality players. We will scrape a draw if we're lucky on Saturday against the sheep. Hearts will come to Ibrox and play the exact same way they did tonight and take another 3pts. Quite hard to believe that Hamilton took three goals off Hearts and we had one shot on target in 94mins tonight against them. We will be lucky to finish in the top six at the rate we are going Ivybank 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HG5 11,134 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 25 minutes ago, Hilly86 said: Not in a mood to hear him find excuses or deflect from what we all saw tonight, let alone the usual 'learning' pish. I can't see what he can or will change to make that pressure go away now. He has a pathetic record against the teams that he'd want to think of as being our closest competitors, last season included, despite having better resources. If he can't or won't change such a turgid team with the advantages he has, he should go. Agreed!? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HG5 11,134 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 14 minutes ago, Leeds_Bear said: Not sure I can make a fair assessment of them under this system and management. I have seen quality from most of them as individuals but as a unit they're not being utilised. Would have been interesting to see how some of last year's crew would have performed if we'd got 2 or 3 solid pros in, instead of the youth/has been's we've been subjected to. Look no further than Don Cowie for an example of what I mean by that. Guess we'll never find out now. Leeds_Bear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangersfansmediawatch 1,055 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 1 hour ago, HG5 said: Would have been interesting to see how some of last year's crew would have performed if we'd got 2 or 3 solid pros in, instead of the youth/has been's we've been subjected to. Look no further than Don Cowie for an example of what I mean by that. Guess we'll never find out now. Most of the team tonight were the team that won the championship,The problem is we just don't have the quality required for the step up against better teams, Even last season with a far superior budget and much better players,We still couldn't beat Falkirk away from home twice and lost both games. I watched the Hamilton v Hearts game and Hearts were rotten and conceded 3 goals against them and were lucky to get a draw, I don't foresee Rangers going to Hamilton and scoring three goals against them. People keep going on and on about budgets and in reality it's a load of shite,All teams outwith the unwashed are more than capable of beating each other regardless of budgets,Problem is that the smaller clubs tend to lift their games against the bigger clubs,But Rangers are still seen as the prime scalp regardless of how poor we are. Just watch the totally different Aberdeen side that turns up at Ibrox on Saturday from the one that turned up in the cup final, They have a huge monkey on their backs and haven't won at Ibrox in well over 20yrs and a capacity crowd will help them more than us if things aren't going our way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Band of Brothers 10,303 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 2 hours ago, eejay the dj said: It's the best bet on the coupon.Put 50 on Rangers tonight .I must be ducking nuts .I let me heart rule my head Won't be on Saturday If it makes you feel better I used to put Moshni as 1st goal scorer Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegambler 61 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 5 minutes ago, Rangersfansmediawatch said: Most of the team tonight were the team that won the championship,The problem is we just don't have the quality required for the step up against better teams, Even last season with a far superior budget and much better players,We still couldn't beat Falkirk away from home twice and lost both games. I watched the Hamilton v Hearts game and Hearts were rotten and conceded 3 goals against them and were lucky to get a draw, I don't foresee Rangers going to Hamilton and scoring three goals against them. People keep going on and on about budgets and in reality it's a load of shite,All teams outwith the unwashed are more than capable of beating each other regardless of budgets,Problem is that the smaller clubs tend to lift their games against the bigger clubs,But Rangers are still seen as the prime scalp regardless of how poor we are. Just watch the totally different Aberdeen side that turns up at Ibrox on Saturday from the one that turned up in the cup final, They have a huge monkey on their backs and haven't won at Ibrox in well over 20yrs and a capacity crowd will help them more than us if things aren't going our way. This team is capable of a better standard than how they're currently performing. Management & inflexible tactics are the issue as evidenced by the players' regression. The right man could get so much more from this lot. Any time we win it's despite the management. Not because of it. Blue Avenger 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeWilson 4,670 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 3 hours ago, wearethepeople1 said: Warburton is a shitebag, he was shown up in his handling of the Barton situation players know when they can walk over a manager it's all over mark, away back to the English championship with your shitbag stubborn tactics , they just don't cut it with Rangers If that's a brand new MW song, it doesn't scan very well. geneva_ger 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic 4,654 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 13 minutes ago, Rangersfansmediawatch said: Most of the team tonight were the team that won the championship You're right. Aside from Dodoo, Crooks and Garner tonight it's our fucking championship team trying for 2nd place in the premiership. Simply not good enough. Line up won't be much different on Saturday either sadly - maybe Hill in defence if he's recovered fully, Garner to start probably... Crooks again?! Other than that it'll be the same championship side yet again who just haven't been able to make the step up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangersfansmediawatch 1,055 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 24 minutes ago, Supersonic said: You're right. Aside from Dodoo, Crooks and Garner tonight it's our fucking championship team trying for 2nd place in the premiership. Simply not good enough. Line up won't be much different on Saturday either sadly - maybe Hill in defence if he's recovered fully, Garner to start probably... Crooks again?! Other than that it'll be the same championship side yet again who just haven't been able to make the step up. Garner caused Hearts more problems in his 30mins than Dodoo did in an hour. At times Garner looks clumsy and misses loads of chances but he chases everything and for a guy his height he can fairly jump for the ball and won't shirk a challenge. The problem also is playing players out of position which has went on for years and if a player it must be very frustrating. No idea what's wrong with Hill but getting him back on Saturday would be a bonus,Also looking like Windass maybe out for a few weeks so Crooks will no doubt be around the first team, Have absolutely no idea what's going on also with Waghorn and even though he's match fit,It must be pissing him off not even getting on as a sub. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic 4,654 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Rangersfansmediawatch said: Garner caused Hearts more problems in his 30mins than Dodoo did in an hour. At times Garner looks clumsy and misses loads of chances but he chases everything and for a guy his height he can fairly jump for the ball and won't shirk a challenge. The problem also is playing players out of position which has went on for years and if a player it must be very frustrating. No idea what's wrong with Hill but getting him back on Saturday would be a bonus,Also looking like Windass maybe out for a few weeks so Crooks will no doubt be around the first team, Have absolutely no idea what's going on also with Waghorn and even though he's match fit,It must be pissing him off not even getting on as a sub. Some of the wee flicks I've seen Garner pull off from headers are spot on - just no one is ready to run on for them sadly. The outlook right now doesn't look great. Our signings haven't remotely went to plan at all. Between that Barton pish, Niko's freak injury, Windass//Rossiter always having injuries and knocks and that's not to mention the slew of what feels like constant niggling injuries elsewhere too from training. It's all just so frustrating. William McBeath 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thewhitesettler 2,711 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 I thought that this would've been the kind of game that suited Garner. He is a rough and tumble type of forward, holds the ball up until help arrives, gets in about the opposition defenders, and is good in the air. I don't think Warburton is getting his team selection right lately. I don't know why Miller gets the full 90 minutes, he looks a busy player, but adds nothing to the team. Halliday looks out of his depth, just not sure he's good enough, yet starts every week. Both full backs need resting, they're not doing it going forward, or in defence. I'm not sure if Warburton is the man to take us forward, even though I really want him to succeed as he's such a likeable gentleman. Rangersfansmediawatch 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob1873 417 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 6 hours ago, gsa said: MOH looks so poor because he's an awful footballer. He played in a team who counterattack so he had space to run into. We don't play that way so in my opinion it's hard to judge him. It just underlines that it is yet another strange signing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HG5 11,134 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 5 hours ago, Rangersfansmediawatch said: Most of the team tonight were the team that won the championship,The problem is we just don't have the quality required for the step up against better teams, Even last season with a far superior budget and much better players,We still couldn't beat Falkirk away from home twice and lost both games. I watched the Hamilton v Hearts game and Hearts were rotten and conceded 3 goals against them and were lucky to get a draw, I don't foresee Rangers going to Hamilton and scoring three goals against them. People keep going on and on about budgets and in reality it's a load of shite,All teams outwith the unwashed are more than capable of beating each other regardless of budgets,Problem is that the smaller clubs tend to lift their games against the bigger clubs,But Rangers are still seen as the prime scalp regardless of how poor we are. Just watch the totally different Aberdeen side that turns up at Ibrox on Saturday from the one that turned up in the cup final, They have a huge monkey on their backs and haven't won at Ibrox in well over 20yrs and a capacity crowd will help them more than us if things aren't going our way. Yup - I'm concerned that our proud record is under threat. I still think some of ours might do a bit better with a better player next to them. Although I did say in the summer that I didn't see many of them 'training on' and coping with the step up. I feel sorry for lads like Dodoo, who's done enough in the last fortnight to suggest there might be a glimmer of hope, but everybody else is struggling so badly with their own game, they aren't able to help him bed in. William McBeath, Rangersfansmediawatch and Blue Avenger 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffbear 4,096 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Garner would be good with a partner..we need 2 holding in the middle.Tav canny defend so hodson has to start ...433 will see us bottom 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 9 hours ago, Hilly86 said: One of the stranger things about MW's failure, for someone so obviously intelligent and thoughtful about football, is the difference in what he says and what we can all see happening on the pitch. When did we last press an opposition? It's been a myth for longer than the few months last year when it was a real thing to appreciate. Yeah I also find this bizarre .We did do it on occasions last year and it worked . For some strange reason .We haven't really seen the team repeat it.Overall we are rancid to watch .I can recall feeling as low watching my team when Ally had as playing utter garbage with his wasteful squad .Can't really say there is a whole lot of difference with MW We all thought we were going to get our revenge on the park ,with the club's that hurt us It hasn't worked out that way and it leaves you annoyed that we still persevere with it . Ivybank 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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