Jailed if we do the hokey cokey

[minstral 5,375]

HomeNewsUK NewsScotland NewsMY PThe Sunday TimesDecember 21, 2008

Do the Hokey Cokey and you end up in the pokey

Church and politicians fear mockery of Catholic Mass in Puritan song may be hijacked by bigotsJason Allardyce

YOU put your right leg in . . . It’s a dance-floor favourite at family gatherings and a good indicator of when elderly aunts have had enough sherry.

But, as the party season gets into full swing, the Catholic church and politicians in Scotland have warned that singing the Hokey Cokey could get you arrested because it contains a sinister, sectarian message. They claim the ditty was composed by Puritans during the 18th century to mock the language and actions used by priests at Latin Mass and could be hijacked by bigots.

Supporters of Rangers football club have been banned from singing sectarian songs at the club’s ground but discussions are taking place on fan websites about singing the Hokey Cokey at matches. Politicians have urged the police to arrest anyone caught singing the song in a sectarian context under legislation on incitement to religious hatred.

“This song does have quite disturbing origins. It was devised as an attack on, and a parody of, the Catholic Mass,” said Peter Kearney, a spokesman for the Catholic church in Scotland. “If there are moves to restore its more malevolent meaning then consideration should perhaps be given to its wider use.”

SNP MSP Michael Matheson said: “It is important that the police and football clubs are aware of the sinister background to this song, and take the appropriate action against individuals and groups who use it at matches or in other situations to taunt Catholics.”

The church says the title derives from “hocus-pocus”. The phrase is said to ridicule the words used by priests in the Eucharist, “hoc est enim corpus meum”, or “this is my body”.

this is unreal.

[Carsons Dog 9,878]

Brilliant - get practicing

You put your left arm in, your left arm out

In out, in out, you shake it all about

You do the Hokey Cokey and you turn around

That's what it's all about

Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey

Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey

Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey

Knees bent, arms stretched

Raa raa raa

You put your right arm in, your right arm out

In out, in out, you shake it all about

You do the Hokey Cokey and you turn around

That's what it's all about Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey

Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey

Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey

Knees bent, arms stretched

Raa raa raa

You put your left leg in, your left leg out

In out, in out, you shake it all about

You do the Hokey Cokey and you turn around

That's what it's all about

Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey

Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey

Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey

Knees bent, arms stretched

Raa raa raa

You put your right leg in, your right leg out

In out, in out, you shake it all about

You do the Hokey Cokey and you turn around

That's what it's all about

Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey

Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey

Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey

Knees bent, arms stretched

Raa raa raa

You put your whole self in, your whole self out

In out, in out, you shake it all about

You do the Hokey Cokey and you turn around

That's what it's all about

Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey

Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey

Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey

Knees bent, arms stretched

Raa raa raa

Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey

Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey

Whoa-o the Hokey Cokey

Knees bent, arms stretched

Raa raa raa

[Guest Andypendek]

Uh-huh.

Either a piss take or the best publicity you could ask for.

[Carsons Dog 9,878]

Google it - thats what it means.

I feel some sport coming on

[ally62 393]

Minstral..you are takin the piss....

[HighlandBear 1]

I seem to remeber it being sung with other words back in the 80's. Aint heard the song for years though. So for them to bring it up now is hilarious really.

[Carsons Dog 9,878]

There ye go

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokey_Cokey

[WVB 2,560]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlContent.jht...14/nhoke14.html

[minstral 5,375]

Minstral..you are takin the piss....

thats the article in tomorrows timesonline.

[JordanRangers 4]

Minstral..you are takin the piss....

thats the article in tomorrows timesonline.

I hope its about the chocolate sweet

[ricksen_da_best 2,034]

Get yersels tae feck.

Be singing this louder than before now yah clown. Get Strathclyde police to raid 6 year old birthday parties and arrest the kids singing this song while dancing.. Shower of useless articles the lot of them. Need their heads cracked to see sence.

[Imodium 411]

Get yersels tae feck.

Be singing this louder than before now yah clown. Get Strathclyde police to raid 6 year old birthday parties and arrest the kids singing this song while dancing.. Shower of useless articles the lot of them. Need their heads cracked to see sence.

I was thinking exactly the same thing as I read this post, it is complete stupidity.

Funny how you could potentially get arrested for singing a kids song yet if you sing songs glorifying the murder of British troops you don't even get a slap on the wrists? Also off topic - in terms of the Protestant origins of our club - could you imagine if it were 2 Muslims who founded Rangers? If anyone dare question our tradition and origins they would be taken straight to jail! To quote the red corner tabloids, "it's PC gone mad".

[minstral 5,375]

Get yersels tae feck.

Be singing this louder than before now yah clown. Get Strathclyde police to raid 6 year old birthday parties and arrest the kids singing this song while dancing.. Shower of useless articles the lot of them. Need their heads cracked to see sence.

I was thinking exactly the same thing as I read this post, it is complete stupidity.

Funny how you could potentially get arrested for singing a kids song yet if you sing songs glorifying the murder of British troops you don't even get a slap on the wrists? Also off topic - in terms of the Protestant origins of our club - could you imagine if it were 2 Muslims who founded Rangers? If anyone dare question our tradition and origins they would be takinen straight to jail! To quote the red corner tabloids, "it's PC gone mad".

you are spot on the world has gone crazy.

[Scott-RFC 308]

Speechless

MOPES

[NOLUWDC 1]

Absolutely baffled I would be laughing right now if I wasn't embarrassed for them.

[MosesMcNeil 1,664]

this is unreal.

Minst: I though you were having a laugh, ripping the pish etc...

Doing hokey cokey 'mimics Latin Mass'

By David Bamber

External Links>The hokey cokey and other ditties - The Tartan Army Song Book

THE hokey cokey, the popular dance, has always been seen as an innocent, if raucous, form of entertainment. But an Anglican clergyman has now discovered a more sinister side: it originated as a parody of the Roman Catholic Church's Latin Mass.

Canon George Nairn-Briggs, Provost of Wakefield Cathedral, West Yorkshire, says that both the name of the dance and its actions were originally designed to satirise the traditional Mass and the clergy. The dance involves participants forming a chain and flinging their limbs about in line with commands.

Canon Nairn-Briggs said: "In the days when the priest celebrated the Mass with his back to the people and whispered the Latin words of consecration with many hand movements, the laity mimicked the movements as they saw them and the words as they misheard them." The words "hokey cokey" were a mishearing, or a deliberate parody, of the Latin phrase "Hoc est enim corpus meum", which translates as "This is my body".

Canon Nairn-Briggs also contends that another corruption of the same phrase is "hocus pocus", the words believed to be used by magicians when they were casting spells.

Historical sources appear to back up his theories. The Hokey Cokey became a popular dance in 1940s America and crossed the Atlantic with US soldiers. But its origins are much older and it seems to have gained popularity originally on this side of the Atlantic, before being taken to the US by refugees. An earlier folk dance version was performed in mainland Europe in the 19th century.

The Oxford English Dictionary says that "hokey cokey" comes from "hocus pocus", the traditional magicians' incantation that derives from a Latin phrase used in satanic masses, themselves parodies of the Latin Mass.

Totally fucking radio rental

[Imodium 411]

SNP MSP Michael Matheson said: “It is important that the police and football clubs are aware of the sinister background to this song, and take the appropriate action against individuals and groups who use it at matches or in other situations to taunt Catholics.”

Bear in mind next time you receive your pay slip, under the deductions part for tax, you are paying for this fuckwits wages and also that of the police who may arrest people for singing such an offensive and sinister song. Maybe the politicians should concentrate in sorting the financial crisis hitting the country and the poilce should focus on arresting murderers, thiefs and child molesters?

[OlegKuznetsov 10,816]

Bizarre!

Surreal!

Idiocracy!

[Bluenose_Pete 4]

ye put yer left leg in

left leg out

in out in out knock the fucker out

ye do the hokey pokey and ye turn around

thats what its all about

ohhhhhhhh grab yerself a fen**n

ohhhhh kick him till hes screamin!!!

ohhhhh kick his fuckin teeth in

thats what its all about

[OlegKuznetsov 10,816]

Incidentally, does this mean the tims song, using the tune and idea of Hokey Cokey, with the words "Holy Goalie" and "h*n" along with a mention of blessing, have a massively sectarian song, given its supposed religious history, as purported by said Priest?

P.S. There was a version a Real Radio caller had, with

"You put your left arm in.

You put your left arm out!

You drop the ball and you turn around.

It's 3-1 to Rangers and you're on the ground,

That's what it's all about.

Oh, do the Artur Boruc!

Oh, do the Artur Boruc!"

[Jimenez 1]

Uh-huh.

Either a piss take or the best publicity you could ask for.

Not a piss take mate

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/s...icle5375699.ece

[Jimenez 1]

My new favourite song

[Jimenez 1]

This is a gift from a protestant God.

We must exploit this

[Jimenez 1]

Guys, don't alter the words.

The Fenian faith has invited us to exploit their ridiculousness in full.

Sing the original.

Nothing, and I do mean nothing can be said.

I used to be an atheist but I now believe in a comical Protestant God

[Jimenez 1]

can I just ask all the SNP faithful through and though brigade on here whet they make of their MSP's statement ?