BlackpoolBear1952

In a nutshell mate. 
They loved us when we paid them millions, as soon as that stops it’s on to whoever  else will pay and they will say whatever it takes to keep the taig paymasters happy  
The fact these pricks are still lauded as hero’s is sickening  
 

I started going to Rangers games in the early sixties unfortunately just in time for the scum from the east end to start dominating Scottish football (they also did well in Europe but you will not hear them mentioning it). I also suffered during the John Greig(manager) years and still went when our crowds fell to sometimes as low as 4 figures. I of course also had the jock Wallace,souness and watty years then came the ebt shite and demotion to the bottom of the league and I did actually think that we were fucked and would never recover but as everyone agrees the one constant in the last half a dozen or so years has been the amazing fans,we have filled every ground in the country and smashed all sorts of records attendance wise. Meanwhile at the paedodome as the scum hoovered up trophy after trophy unhindered their attendances unbelievably dropped to such an extent that they resorted to closing parts of the ground. I realise most on here will have stopped reading by now but my point is about fans having a go at the young supporters ie. the union bears and the ones who have now taken up running on to the park to celebrate,I find it mind blowing the sheer number of young fans that are now actually attending our matches when you think of all the crap we have been through and the fact we have won fuck all for years and a huge amount these kids have never seen Rangers lifting a trophy. So just think back to your early years as a supporter and give the kids a break,they might be a pain in the arse at times with their flares ect but their outstanding support for the club cannot be questioned.

Just about every thread now is taken off topic by  a bunch of immature posters who engage in petty arguments pretending they are witty, trading personal insults like wee daft boys and disrupting the thread content continuity, even losing any semblance to a football forum at all.
For me  these posters surely can't be representative of our magnificent support , as they are basically just shitting in their own back yard for their own amusement, and sadly bringing the Bear's Den into ridicule. 
Just saying admin, we see it happening, you see it happening, advice from admin above says it should not be happening, yet it's the same garbage happening every day and night. There is of course a suitable off topic forum where this shite could be posted (although not in there either if I was to choose), and I suspect many other posters would prefer it to dissappear altogether from the Bear's Den too. 
Quite simply it is embarrassing now, I want to read about my football team in the Bear's Den, not read juvenile tit for tat non football related consistent meaningless twaddle

I don't mind Davis starting ahead of McCrorie.  We should be playing with one CDM and two guys capable of creating something either side.  Many have forgotten this, but a lack of creativity from central midfield has been a major thorn in our side this season. 
The big mistake was moving away from our 4-3-3 counter pressing system altogether to shoehorn in Defoe.  We had no width especially down that left side.  Instead of Candeias pressing and chasing everything down we have Defoe just standing in the box.  Morelos was dropping ridiculously deep instead of leading the line.  It didn't work.
I never believed Defoe and Morelos would play as part of the same team.  No way we would go 4-4-2, or try the 3-5-2, I was sure we would stick with the 4-3-3 and rotate between Morelos or Defoe.  I'm really concerned we'll play Defoe all the time now, he'll become a luxury, and he'll do more harm than good.

An excellent piece IMO, sums up the last week or so perfectly. Whilst it's been enjoying watching them squirm there is a dangerous undercurrent to their reporting which continues to paint us as the villain and do untold damage to the club's brand and reputation.
The club need to stand up and do something about this shit.
I think Gerrard should have come out sooner than he has, I know he was away with his family but we needed a voice to cut through the crap and also be heard down south. 
Either way, a great piece. 
https://www.gersnet.co.uk/index.php/news-category/current-affairs/987-old-firm-media-embarrassment-and-var-control 
Old Firm media embarrassment and VAR control
@RICKYBOBBY1872 
Over ten years ago, in a moment of unguarded and wholesome clarity, Tom English, now of the BBC, once declared that “celtic don’t want consistency from referees, they want decisions, good or bad, in their favour.”
He was right of course. It applies to all teams. It applies to all fans in the latent natural bias that exists in being a supporter. I don’t watch a Rangers match as an impartial observer and any decisions for and against my club matter and in the fog of battle you will claim and cling onto almost anything. The commentators are there to provide insight, information and hopefully some balanced reason to the unfolding spectacle.
The recent Rangers vs celtic match was a good contest and the result almost universally accepted along with the feeling that nothing too controversial occurred. The referee and his team would’ve breathed a sigh of relief after the match and all in all it was a good day's work. Perhaps the greatest compliment John Beaton will ever receive was when Andy Walker specifically mentioned his handling of the game in the 60th minute, praising him for letting the game flow and basically treating players openly and fairly in a well-fought, physical game. Further nods to the lack of officiating drama were provided in the post-match interviews when both managers had no complaints about the result or the referee. On social media most of the press pack praised Rangers performance, endorsed the result and rated Benton's performance as good (which in Scottish refereeing terms is stratospheric). Newspapers, tabloids included, said similar, at least initially. One good example is that Graham Spiers tweeted Beaton was 'terrific'.
Then something changed. At some stage later that evening an edict was sent out to members of the Scottish press to change the narrative.
Like any game of football there's always scope for different perspectives and different interpretations. There will inherently be the Rangers, the celtic or the neutral viewpoint; and with reason, time and the clearing of the battle fog those usually converge towards an accepted neutral position for most incidents. As with any match there’s dozens of incidents to pour over and a different view can be drawn or a different decision demanded from the referee on those. There were flicks, kicks and shoves from all parties during the game – many of which could’ve been argued to a yellow or red card. If you really want to you can eke out injustice in any match, you just choose the incidents you want and ignore the ones that don’t fit your agenda.
Tabloids will also pick up on individual incidents and sensationalise them - that’s to be expected. But even with that you would hope they would be balanced in their selections – for both commercial sense and the basic true representation of events. Quite why the BBC would get swept up in a seemingly agenda-laden, unbalanced witch-hunt is a bit more surprising and disappointing.
The BBC still trades on trust. It's part of its brand built up over decades. Trust to deliver the news. Trust to be accurate and impartial. Yet some of its main commentators in Scotland seem to have ditched their original reasoned thoughts on the match and picked up the new ones at exactly the same time as the shock-jocks and tabloids. The BBC receive footage of the match and then cut and edit it to suit. In this case they chose to focus on incidents involving Alfredo Morelos. He got his own headline montage for three alleged incidents, and this subject matter was pushed and discussed as the primary content of the match. This narrative later ascended into calls for the compliance officer to act; apparently only on the three incidents involving the Rangers player and no other incidents in the game. The public were told these were serious incidents and the compliance officer absolutely has to act, mustn't they? Actually no, they don’t. Cue the indignation to the failed witch-hunt, which was provided in spades by tabloids and BBC alike in a synchronised outpouring. Incredible, ten days after the match, BBC Scotland are still showing the above montage.
To be clear, the position pushed was the celtic favouring viewpoint. A montage could’ve easily been provided balance with a reckless challenge by Brown, a stamp by Christie and a goal-denying hand-ball in the box by McGregor, that would have been a fairer summary. These could’ve and probably should’ve been forwarded to the compliance officer at the same time. I have no idea if they were as no one knows the protocol for the compliance officer reviewing incidents though given the force of the BBC's campaign they seem to be confident that they decide what the CO looks at. Beyond that and and just as easily a Rangers favouring agenda could’ve been pushed with a narrative of all three celtic player incidents demanding red cards and action from the compliance officer. That would’ve been just as easy and just as justified.
So why was the celtic viewpoint on this allowed to be propagated? Why was balance cast aside within the BBC to seek sanction against Rangers and Morelos alone and overlook the equally merit worthy acts from the celtic players?
Quite simply, the media response has been ridiculous and toxic. Some of the outrageous comments from Chris Sutton and John Hartson are disgusting and surely beyond the threshold of decency from paid pundits? But they are at least partially understandable (SFA stitch-up to stop celtic the only explanation for Morelos let off - Sutton) in that they were celtic players. Unfortunately, Sutton now regularly refers to a Rangers striker as 'Buffalo Brains' which is petty, laughable and downright unprofessional from someone else who often played the game on the same edge Morelos does. Quite why BT Sports and the Record provide Sutton with a platform to regularly attack Rangers from a clearly unbalanced position is another story.
One can only surmise that a similar arrangement exists for the BBC's main protagonists? They are allowed whatever opinion they want, if it is actually their opinion, but part of that surely relies on a degree of consistency? The problem here is we have some functioning human adults doing a complete 180° in many of their stances in full public view - there must be something about blue shirts that throws their reasoning circuits into spasm? On Twitter you will find numerous example of this staggering hypocrisy (the @RangersObserver feed in particular is worth a look for good examples of this.
Now, this would all be fairly hilarious if it wasn’t so serious. The BBC has been party to driving a fairly extreme and partisan viewpoint on something. This then, possibly through design, fosters a sense of injustice within a section of society. Which in turn results in strong emotions which then spill over and before long we have death threats against the referee - (Old Firm ref John Beaton 'calls in cops' after threats following Morelos decision) despite a fairly decent performance which was also commended by many high level ex-referees. It is really pretty simple, if the ridiculous stance hadn’t been pushed by the BBC and the Scottish media then the animosity would not have been ramped up with John Beaton in the cross-hairs. It goes without saying that celtic got their oar in too with a statement, short in self-awareness, with calls for public explanations and meetings at Hampden.
Of course, the ones who started the whole episode now either try and distance themselves from the consequences or flat out deny any culpability in it. However, at some stage surely the media in this country has to accept responsibility, this isn’t reporting the news or facts this was pushing bizarre and extreme nonsense. So why was that narrative chosen and who chose it? There would appear to be several reasons in it being chosen.
The Rangers win was monumental in many ways. It held way more meaning to the club and support than the three points at stake and it burned away much of the cloud hanging over the club since 2012. celtic were also very poor. Their form is stagnating from previous years and their manager and board don’t appear to be singing from the same hymn sheet. Peter Lawwell, the recent recipient of a huge multi-million pound bonus, needed to deflect from all of that. And the celtic board know that the celtic support love nothing more than a big bucket of injustice to pickle their collective victim-hood in. In short, deflection from a relatively poor performance and boardroom issues. Peter Adam Smith at ITV summed it up perfectly in his tweet:
Replying to @PeterAdamSmith @PolhomeEditor: Pretty sure you’re the only journalist I’ve seen coming out to condemn this , the rest appear to have rallied round it and entrenched themselves . Journalists talk about fans being poisonous , this is up there with some of the worst things you’ll see in Scottish football.
@PeterAdamSmith: It’s objectively bizarre. celtic have won the league 7 years in a row, 7 out of the last 7 trophies in Scotland. This was their first league defeat to Rangers in 6.5 years. And celtic still top of the league. If there’s some plot to stop celtic, it’s the worst conspiracy ever.
One of my long-standing gripes with the BBC has been the quality and flavour of their coverage for a number of years now and this Old Firm game was a perfect microcosm of this. During a dialogue with an Aberdeen fan he questioned Morelos not being cited by the compliance officer. I’d asked if he didn’t think the other incidents were worthy of attention? He hadn’t seen them. He hadn't watched the match and relied on the BBC's output to form his opinions. The other incidents mentioned in the discussion where Naismith’s (Hearts) kick at Brown (celtic), McGregor kicking out at Ajer (celtic) and Morelos’ successful appeal of his red card (at Aberdeen). These were the incidents the BBC staff had chose to make a big deal out of. In my opinion they deliberately ignored plenty of similar and valid incidents and selected certain others to fit an agenda. I’m also content enough in my observations to state that many of their match reports don’t accurately reflect the matches and in particular the key incidents from those. There is a definitive theme to much of their reporting and it doesn’t favour Rangers. The recent Old Firm fallout just further cements this for me. This isn’t what the BBC is meant to be. Obviously, I don't expect pro-Rangers coverage, just balanced journalism for all clubs.
The problem is that the BBC should be above this and we all fund it through the license fee. I know I don’t pay for their news to represent transparent third party agendas. It should be beyond reproach but it has been hijacked in recent years. This cannot simply be ignored because the BBC it is too big to be ignored. The BBC Reporting Scotland bulletins play throughout the day and will reach across the society far outside the relatively small hard-core that follow and discuss what’s going on in football. Those listeners will hear and believe that Beaton is corrupt, he helped Rangers, Morelos is a thug and should be banned, Rangers players get away with stuff and, equally important, there were no issues with the celtic players. That is the message that BBC Scotland chose to put out. Reporting Scotland regularly reaches 500,000 listeners, 10% of the country. That is more than the Rangers Twitter account, worldwide. For some measure of scale the bigger Rangers fan accounts have around 20,000 followers. The excellent 'Heart and Hand' podcast may get 80,000 hits for its weekly flagship shows and has 3,500 subscribers who enjoy the daily updates but it still lags well behind mainstream media figures. Those numbers and reach is why the continued flagrant misuse of the BBC cannot be ignored.
We have seen things escalated still further from the threats on John Beaton. The referees union have even issued a statement calling for the SFA to do more.
Somewhat brazenly Tom English at the BBC has the gall to report on it. His article continuing the narrative that his volte-face, celtic-centred view of the game was justified, that those were the only incidents in the game and the only points of note. The rest never happened. The truth now buried under seven days of continuous agenda-driven invective. And near the end of the article is his clarion call - the mention of VAR.
Take yourself back to 2010. The last time we were here, celtic kicked in the front doors of the SFA and they helped themselves to a desk or two. They created the compliance officer position and they’ve pretty much kept it as their own pet project to this very day. Yes, this is the system they are currently raging against.
Is this the purpose of this mock-indignation and tears of injustice? To get a seat at the table of VAR and ensure celtic gain the same access and control as they did to the compliance officer? VAR, like reporting and like the CO role, completely relies on a degree of impartiality, it relies on everything been treated on its own merits and it relies on consistency. It will also rely on the media assisting with the costs and tech infrastructure. Would VAR function correctly if the same guys who wrote the script for the Old Firm fallout get their hands on it? It's certainly a frightening prospect that Rangers need to act on much stronger than they currently do.

Aye cause the displays that everyone raves about cost nothing. They’ve only done 5/6 full stand ones so far this year. 
Imagine thinking Rangers fans would want to donate a few quid for more of the same.

Look, it’s a Good post and hits the mark as to how many of us see things. But for me I am still concerned fuck all good will come of this and that the house of cards will stand firm.
One old firm victory doesn’t change all the positions of influence they now hold in the media and the governing bodies. 55 doesn’t overthrow a government of terrorist sympathisers and republicans.  
While we take some solace in the meltdown, it remains sinister and they remain masterful at the art of propaganda.
Alarmingly in the referees statement it doesn’t refer to Any one club and it’s obvious that our criticism of Willie Collum is included in their statement. The spin remains, the ambulance chasers once again deflect and distribute the blame. The Whataboutery going on just now is sickening to be honest and the unyielding hatred towards Rangers no lesser for our “journey”. 
When we made a statement about Collum we were ridiculed. When they made a statement about Beaton, fans of Hibs and the sheep agree. 
It will take a generation to fix this to some sort of balance. To bring balance into the MSM, train the referees correctly, eliminate the unconscious bias they have developed due to the kind of abuse Beaton has taken. Never mind the years it will take to bring balance to our Scottish government . 
i rarely ever raise the horrific child abuse that went on at their club in relation to football matters because it is a crime that needs to be prosecuted outside the crucible of football rivalry. It needs to be very high profile and it needs to have major repercussions for the institution of celtic football club, but it shouldn’t be about the football. However, purely in the context of their influence in Scotland, I do fear that they will avoid those consequences and that for me is the sinister part. Just like the Catholic Church, and just like the BBC, I really do fear that the institution will take no responsibility and just blame the individuals rather than the institution that provided the infrastructure for them to continue their heinous crimes unchecked.
The melt down has been entertaining at times but the ugly face of Scotland has yet to fully be revealed.  
 

I know how I'm spending my final evening before going back to work tomorrow. 
Enjoy.
 

I’m 61 mate so grew up when the Bheasts were doing 9iar, didn’t see us stopping them again but today was magnificent, everybody gave everything. We’ve got the monkey off our back and laid down a marker, they know it was 1-0 going on 5-0 they know when we play to our potential we’re better than them all over the park. AH just nailed how I feel and I got a sudden rush of release and emotion what a silly old cunt🤪🇬🇧

He actually said "we are a few results away from having had an almost perfect start to the season"
I take it he's meaning Aberdeen away, Motherwell away and hibs twice cause if as our play deserved in those 4 games we got the victory then we would be sitting pretty right now.
Suppose you could throw in the spartak double header.
I got What he meant without getting upset tbh

Probably "I quit" so we can bring in another manager, give him less money than the scum spend, and give him til summer to win the league or we bin him too rinse and repeat.

Kicked off the park all night and still soldiered on . Does better when he's more direct like he was tonight . 

If he is fit and motivated, why wouldn't Gerrard give him a chance? he is exceptionally good at finding space and say what you like about him but his first time finish rate was phenomenal. 
gerrard was quick to say when he joined that everyone had a clean slate - so let's see that apply to Pena. If Gerrard still thinks he is unprofessional or has issues or is just shite then that's fine with me. But he should be given the opportunity if he applies himself.

Does nobody read my thread? 😞

Loan players are fine but in our case they need to be players who have experience and who are needing game time.Bringing in young guys who are really just apprentices is no good at a club where pressures are intense.

I agree that we were good against Herts once they scored, but what I watched today was an exact replica of what I saw on Wed night at Ibrox and was hellish to sit through.
I would have expected a response today after how poor we were then, but just the same, no leadership apart from Allan Mc going mental and no one paying any attention to him.

If the manger gives a game plan and for two games running he says the players are not following that plan then he has serious problems.Is the plan to difficult for them to execute or have they stopped listening to the manager. Surely it's up to the captain to get amongst the players and get them back on track. If that's not happening then change the captain. 

https://www.gersnet.co.uk/index.php/news-category/current-affairs/972-alfredo-morelos-no-quarter-given-no-quarter-asked

We are in superb form at the moment but we have a tough run of games coming up. If we have a bump in the road during those games then I hope we don’t see people reverting to the sort of overly negative shit that we normally see because surely at this point even a blind man can see that we are going in the right direction under Gerrard.

Top of the league and still in Europe in December. I’d have laughed at you if you’d told me that in the Summer.
And we still get match threads full of cunts moaning at how shite we are. 😂😂

We have the January window coming up.
I think this title race is going to be close,  lots of people seem to think they are just going to start running away with the league now, but at the end of the day we have played pretty much the same amount of games as them, and we are less than a game swing of being top of the league.   We could win this league this season if we keep it close,  I think we are going to be an interesting 2019 anyway.

Our striking options are horrific minus Alfredo 

Really looking forward to watching this on my IPTV.

We do take defeat pretty fucking badly. Nothing wrong with that.
The personal shit does go ottt though and I'm guilty as well.
I keep thinking we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory last night. Bastards were there for the taking, but such is our lot.
Some of those with better ability do lack the mentality, whilst others with the mentaility just simply lack the ability. Like Flanagan. Has the mentality but utter pish.
Young manager learning the ropes, tries to do the balancing act and gets it wrong. Not entirely unexpected, because  even the best of them get it wrong regularly.
The players are what they are. They don't purposely go out to make a cunt of it, but that's where the mentality comes and some do the shrinking violet act.
It is obvious we are still short on the mentality and ability stakes. I'd say 3/4 quality players away and it will have the knock on to those with less ability and assist them in stepping up.
We have big expectations, as we have waited so long to get back to where we belong. Utterly frustrating and some results are just a kick in the bawz.
I still have confidence that we will get there sooner than later. We have seen this squad on song and what we can do with what is a pretty average bunch, but average just don't get us the consistency and every team in the land doubling down, doing their utmost to stifle us. A bit more guile and quality we will kill them all.
Patience is not a virtue amongst our support, but it's going to take that to avoid greater disappointment.
As bad as some players can be, they are all we have got for NOW. They want to win. Stevie wants us to win. It will come and we will all be fucking grinning like Cheshire cats and I can wet the pampers as the rest of Scottish football go on fucking suicide watch.
Keep the faith!

I think he starting to realise that his players just aren’t up to the pressure of playing for Rangers.