Muirheadbear 1,483 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Green really did nothing wrong tbh, not to justify the hysteriaWell he seems to have taking his sacking very well as he relaxes in his new French chateau.Probably whistling the champions league theme as we sit here.And further more we are still infiltrated by many investors who are only in it for a fast buck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeWilson 4,670 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I'd argue i'm trying to look at the bigger picture, we are a football club after all not a soap opera (notwithstanding our off the field issues of recent years).It's no vendetta, I do have probably known views on McCoist the manager but as i've said in this thread there's perfectly valid argument he deserves to stay in the job due to football performance whether I agree with it or not.The principle that we need him to stay simply because of him being a trustworthy figure and some sort of man on the inside is what I object to.Fair enough. That seems a pretty balanced view and I can't argue with your opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopsLaud 4,186 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Have to give SuperAlly his dues. He has this political thing down pat.Could show that arsehole Salmond a thing or 2.No the greatest Rangers manager ever, but definitely one of the greatest Rangers ever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Well he seems to have taking his sacking very well as he relaxes in his new French chateau.Probably whistling the champions league theme as we sit here.And further more we are still infiltrated by many investors who are only in it for a fast buck.So folk wanted Green out but have a dig at him not being here for the CL theme etc? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 71,893 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 So folk wanted Green out but have a dig at him not being here for the CL theme etc?He's not Ally so can do no right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 He's not Ally so can do no right.Penny share thing is a prime example of that Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_Ibrox_Preacher 2,812 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmcf 34,198 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I can understand Ally sticking up for the players but I think he , and they , are wrong. We're all going to have to sacrifice something to help out - players , management , non playing staff , directors and even us fans. Reduced salaries , increased season ticket prices and merchandise , we are all in this together and help best we can. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I can understand Ally sticking up for the players but I think he , and they , are wrong.We're all going to have to sacrifice something to help out - players , management , non playing staff , directors and even us fans. Reduced salaries , increased season ticket prices and merchandise , we are all in this together and help best we can.I'd like to think i'd take the cut myself but they have contracts and are entitled to say no Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRodgA2k8 542 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I'd rather they were playing for the youths than sitting on the bench.Anyway, it's a common tactic used by managers who feel - rightly or wrongly - that they want more tools to do their job. Paul Ince did it with Blackpool the other week.What it has to do with our financial position and his comments in the OP is beyond me.Could it not be the fact that knowing our CEO is in the middle of a plan to cut costs the manager potentially making the statement of 'we can't even fill our bench...we need more bodies in' not seem rather foolish? Especially when he will of course be aware of the situation.Anyways, you can't really argue with what he's said. He has to back his players and it isn't their fault they're earning what they are.However what's stopping some of them coming out and taking a reduction at their own request? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmcf 34,198 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I'd like to think i'd take the cut myself but they have contracts and are entitled to say noI know but the reality is something has to give - it's unsustainable. Just easier for everyone to give a little before we end up losing our best assets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fantana 28,894 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 When ally made his signings at the start of the season he should have been looking long term - players that can win the league consecutively until we reach the SPFL. If he starts losing a lot of games in league 1 and blames not having players, that's on him. no manager should build a team season by season so if he hasn't got resources to win league 1 at a canter then he's the one to blame unless we are seriously injury stricken. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeWilson 4,670 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I would say that's the biggest put down i have ever seen on here. Hat's off to you for a simply brilliant retort. If you think that is a 'put down' then you really should get out more, kittenpaws. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I'd rather they were playing for the youths than sitting on the bench.Anyway, it's a common tactic used by managers who feel - rightly or wrongly - that they want more tools to do their job. Paul Ince did it with Blackpool the other week.What it has to do with our financial position and his comments in the OP is beyond me.Exactly. Trying to coerce the board into signing more players and the fans to go along with it has fuck all to do with our finances. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I know but the reality is something has to give - it's unsustainable. Just easier for everyone to give a little before we end up losing our best assets.I agree, despite the panic caused I think putting this idea up is sensible by Wallace Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willygers4life 1,031 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Does anyone really think ally would come out and say it was one of his players that leaked it to the media about asking if they would accept a cut, it seems like ally is smarting at having to take a paycut. Yes ally has stood up for the club and fans over the last 2 year but for anyone to say that he ain't partially at fault for the spending is wrong. He would need to suggest what he thought the player was worth and if he didn't then he is completly at fault for not saying he feels is worthwhile, even a semi pro team manager said this morning to myself and a few others, that he was suggesting to his board that someone he looking at should he signed and given 250 quid a week Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,725 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Yep, they're now 3rd bottom in the Championship.Fuck sake Ally, why didn't you follow the QOTS model?Ridiculous post.No one is saying follow qots model or gretna's for that point. But one won this league, the other won all leagues consecutively for far far less than we are spending.Yes as Rangers we have to aim bigger and spend more than either of those teams. But not to the scale we have. And not with the poor performances on offer and lack of obvious playing strategy now or going forward.Now, we are likely to have a lower budget going into next year and maybe even again the year after as a result of our spending policy.A shambles caused by many including Ally. Not to accept this is simply blinkered beyond belief. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Exactly. Trying to coerce the board into signing more players and the fans to go along with it has fuck all to do with our finances.Correct, it doesn't. If another signing had been sanctioned on the back of it then it would've. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeWilson 4,670 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I dont know who you mean, although i have my own ideas who you are refering too but i will keep them to myself That's probably for the best! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Ridiculous post.No one is saying follow qots model or gretna's for that point. But one won this league, the other won all leagues consecutively for far far less than we are spending.Yes as Rangers we have to aim bigger and spend more than either of those teams. But not to the scale we have. And not with the poor performances on offer and lack of obvious playing strategy now or going forward.Now, we are likely to have a lower budget going into next year and maybe even again the year after as a result of our spending policy.A shambles caused by many including Ally. Not to accept this is simply blinkered beyond belief.Sorry, what is it that I'm not accepting? Ally isn't blameless - some of his signings haven't worked out which contributed to our situation (that's football, he's not a soothsayer). That's the extent to which he can be blamed, he doesn't control the finances, or set the contracts, or negotiate wages, or set budgets, etc, etc.Oh, and plenty of people held up Gretna and QOTS as the example we should be following, especially last season. The guy I quoted did as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydebankBearWATP 877 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Playing a dangerous game with what he says Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 1 Cammy Bell2 Steve Simonsen3 Scott Gallacher4 Richard Foster5 Andrew Mitchell6 Emilson Cribari7 Sebastien Faure8 Ross Perry9 Chris Hegarty10 Lee McCulloch11 Bilel Mohsni12 Luca Gasparotto13 Lee Wallace14 Steven Smith15 Arnold Peralta16 Kyle Hutton17 Nicky Law18 Ian Black19 Lewis Macleod20 Robbie Crawford21 David Templeton22 Fraser Aird23 Dean Shiels24 Barrie McKay25 Andy Little26 Jon Daly27 Nicky Clark28 Alan Smith29 Liam Kelly30 Jamie Wilson31 Ryan Sinnamon32 Kyle McAusland33 Kristian Gibson34 Craig Halkett35 Greg Pascazio36 Jamie Mills37 Lewis White38 Scot Whiteside39 David Brownlie40 Andy Murdoch41 Dylan Dykes42 Scott Roberts43 Darren Ramsay44 Charlie Telfer45 Tom Walsh46 Adam Wilson47 Michael Mossie48 Jordan Hamill49 Ben Reilly50 Jamie Burrows51 Calum Gallagher52 Danny Stoney53 Sam Liddington54 Junior Ogen55 Ryan Hardie56 Josh JeffriesReady for first team football? I must be confused, does being on the bench mean you have to be used as sub? When did that rule come into place?Anyway, like I said: Ally thinks he's cute. Not gonna fly with me. He has enough players to win this division and the next reasonably comfortably.PS. I named my youngest after my personal hero, Ally McCoist, I have no desire to look for reason to batter the guy over the head with. I wont however be played for a fool. End of discussion mate.So of those 56 pros, almost half have never played any first team football, another chunk haven't been progressed to our under 20 side yet we're just to throw them in at the deep end? No rule says they have to be used but the manager has been quoted (as was the last one and several others) as saying that it should be something that is earned (like Murdoch and Telfer have recently) and not simply thrown in to make up the numbers. Quite a few coaches and managers have went on the record that simply throwing kids into the squad to make numbers up can harm their development as the player can often feel that they have 'made it'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcb 1,167 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Yep, they're now 3rd bottom in the Championship.Fuck sake Ally, why didn't you follow the QOTS model?Dont remember saying we should copy QOTS unless you can show me differently of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Dont remember saying we should copy QOTS unless you can show me differently of course.You didn't, I was being irreverent to make a point. What am I like? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 While I agree with him to a point, he has to ask himself if he needed 7 & 6mill to win 2 par time leagues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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