The Specky Forum Organiser 67,351 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 minute ago, ForeverAndEver said: Fat weasel Is he wrong? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Broxi said: Yes, because one is words given to public media and one is actions before the most important game of the season Both were words given to the public media. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 43,885 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 minute ago, The Dude said: So he was 'working hard' a few weeks ago according to the manager but now has fitness issues. Has he downed tools at training? Have these fitness issues only appeared in the last few days? Amazing the wool that can be pulled over so many eyes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 67,351 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Just now, The Dude said: So he was 'working hard' a few weeks ago according to the manager but now has fitness issues. Has he downed tools at training? Have these fitness issues only appeared in the last few days? You're not that dumb, stop pretending you are. sausagetrunks, MayboleLoyal_atb and WilliamMunny 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 67,351 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Just now, esquire8 said: Amazing the wool that can be pulled over so many eyes. Why did you stop posting on here when everyone was positive only to return when there's a crisis? Parasite. Bluekev 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Clemdog 39,389 Posted August 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said: Fat weasel I think that's a fairly decent summary TBH. Broxi, Bluekev, Inigo and 9 others 12 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 43,885 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Just now, The Specky Liar said: Why did you stop posting on here when everyone was positive only to return when there's a crisis? Parasite. I post most of the time. Took a hiatus over the summer. Get over it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassaaaa 11,406 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, The Specky Liar said: Is he wrong? I know we never agree on anything but when I read that I thought exactly the same thing. The Specky Forum Organiser 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Just now, The Specky Liar said: You're not that dumb, stop pretending you are. Not pretending anything. If the player had fitness and attitude issues that merit him being dropped out of the biggest game of the season - and one that could make a MASSIVE difference financially - then it raises questions over why he was involved on Saturday. If his attitude is such that he can't even be part of the travelling party, this again must have existed before Saturday. BlueAvenger 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broxi 11,789 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Just now, The Dude said: Both were words given to the public media. And if you think any manager or player is going to publicly criticise anything in a press conference or interview that they don't have to you are mental. "You must be happy to have Alfredo back in the squad" "Nah I would rather he wasn't here tbh". Obviously not. Using those generic press conference quotes as any sort of evidence is ridiculous. Actions speak louder than words. Negative statements of this type speak 100x more loudly than fluffy positive comments. The fact that this has came out at all is damning. The No.9, Goofy The Scot and Roy Hobbs 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadron Collider 31,629 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 He needs to grow the fuck up. Sounds obvious the squad are feeling let down by his antics. real boydie9, Bluekev and Colin Traive 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cr3_bear 15,196 Posted August 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, The Dude said: So he was 'working hard' a few weeks ago according to the manager but now has fitness issues. Has he downed tools at training? Have these fitness issues only appeared in the last few days? Reads like Gio giving the benefit of the doubt to a key player who has just returned from a long term injury quite clearly what he has seen since then has left him less than impressed . Morelos not getting on to the pitch last Tuesday night when we were still chasing goals was quite a big indicator of that Bluekev, Goofy The Scot, GA1972 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 67,351 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Just now, esquire8 said: I post most of the time. Took a hiatus over the summer. Get over it. You didn't take a hiatus over the summer, you were posting in every thread over the summer moaning about us not signing anyone then we started signing players you fucked off and have only came back now because there's an opportunity to stick the boot into people at the club. You would genuinely have been buzzing about this so you could run on RM and bitch about it. Bluekev 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 35,801 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, The Dude said: So he was 'working hard' a few weeks ago according to the manager but now has fitness issues. Has he downed tools at training? Have these fitness issues only appeared in the last few days? Well things can change surprisingly enough, and things can accumulate. He’s clearly still miles off it. If (big if) he’s turned up at training last week MWI, and then has picked up a ‘stupid’ (Tav’s words) red card - then surely you’d back Gio here? Plus you’ve said a million times that pressers & interviews are puff piece paint by numbers pish. Inigo 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatcap 491 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 None of us know what happens in and around training. You've got to show willing and be a part of the collective. Anyone who doesn't, shouldn't be a part of the match day squad. I suspect Gio has a multitude of reasons before and between Saturday and yesterday, the final straw broke. The boy is fucked in the head and has been since he arrived here. graeme_4 and GA1972 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Just now, Broxi said: And if you think any manager or player is going to publicly criticise anything in a press conference or interview that they don't have to you are mental. "You must be happy to have Alfredo back in the squad" "Nah I would rather he wasn't here tbh". Obviously not. Using those generic press conference quotes as any sort of evidence is ridiculous. Actions speak louder than words. Negative statements of this type speak 100x more loudly than fluffy positive comments. The fact that this has came out at all is damning. Who said anything about criticising him? He doesn't have to go from one extreme to another. He could have said something like: 'It's good to have him back training. He's still got a way to go to getback to fitness and challenging for a place in the side." Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 67,351 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 minute ago, The Dude said: Not pretending anything. If the player had fitness and attitude issues that merit him being dropped out of the biggest game of the season - and one that could make a MASSIVE difference financially - then it raises questions over why he was involved on Saturday. If his attitude is such that he can't even be part of the travelling party, this again must have existed before Saturday. Saturday's incident might have been the final straw? Was quite a big thing that he did. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the blue plumber 807 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 He’s not fit enough for PSV and he’ll miss some games due to the sending off so it’s an ideal time to give him a boot up the arse and hopefully he takes it on board and works to get back in favour,his fitness is the big problem cos he’s always going to be prone to petulance which we put up with and have put up with or sell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swagger 8,427 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Concerns about his fitness, commitment and attitude ? Has to be shown the door. He’ll never change Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 67,351 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 He would have contributed fuck all tomorrow night anyway. GA1972, Moody Blue Legend and Supersonic 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemdog 39,389 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, The Dude said: Not pretending anything. If the player had fitness and attitude issues that merit him being dropped out of the biggest game of the season - and one that could make a MASSIVE difference financially - then it raises questions over why he was involved on Saturday. If his attitude is such that he can't even be part of the travelling party, this again must have existed before Saturday. It doesn't need to be black or white. There's a World we live in which means he can be given chances, then there can be the straw that broke the camels back. Why you're so deliberately obtuse about things is strange. The No.9, The Specky Forum Organiser and graeme_4 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Just now, graeme_4 said: Well things can change surprisingly enough. He’s clearly still miles off it. If (big if) he’s turned up at training last week MWI, and then has picked up a ‘stupid’ (Tav’s words) red card - then surely you’d back Gio here? Plus you’ve said a million times that pressers & interviews are puff piece paint by numbers pish. If he's turned up 'mwi' on monday he should never have been involved on the Saturday. They are puff-piece nonsense. But if you've got a player who has turned up out of shape and isn't working hard, you don't then turn around and say they are working hard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 35,801 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Just now, GabrielTomato said: It doesn't need to be black or white. There's a World we live in which means he can be given chances, then there can be the straw that broke the camels back. Why you're so deliberately obtuse about things is strange. It’s his MO on here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 35,801 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Just now, The Dude said: If he's turned up 'mwi' on monday he should never have been involved on the Saturday. They are puff-piece nonsense. But if you've got a player who has turned up out of shape and isn't working hard, you don't then turn around and say they are working hard. Agreed. He could have been working hard, and now isn’t… Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broxi 11,789 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Just now, The Dude said: Who said anything about criticising him? He doesn't have to go from one extreme to another. He could have said something like: 'It's good to have him back training. He's still got a way to go to getback to fitness and challenging for a place in the side." And the difference between the two things you're saying makes absolutely no difference to this situation. He gave a fluffy answer every football press conference gives, and the real story has came out when it's had to. You're a journalist ffs graeme_4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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