This boards legacy

[kelvd1873 7,184]

 

[kelvd1873 7,184]

9 hours ago, The Ibrox Derry said:

The problem goes all the way back to the summer of 2021 after winning 55.

This is when we had them by the balls and failed to invest and the rot set in.

The Genesis of our current problems were planted back then.

The board are well and truly to blame.

The board thought celtic were fucked so pushed on with EH etc… when we should have been buying good players to guarantee the next few seasons success. Then they could have looked at EH and the rest. 

[Jelavic191 4,474]

Thought the points discussed on yesterdays Heart & Hand were spot on regarding the board and current leadership. 
 

1) The board are stuck in 2021, congratulating themselves on stopping 10. 
2) There is no leadership. Robertson, Park, Wilson etc completely uninspiring and lacking any vision

3) Failure is tolerated and ingrained in the squad. 
 

We may win the odd trophy here and there but we are in no way set up for sustained success. The best chance was Summer 2021 and we missed out - we signed Lundstram and Sakala on a free and Bacuna and that was it. 
 

 

[esquire8 42,904]

To blame for everything.

For it to change, Douglas Park needs to be removed along with John Bennett. Yes their money has helped but their attitude and decision making are not fit for the club. 

You start there and then you get Park Jr out and hire a competent CEO who then is able to hire far more competent executive board members than Dickson, Blair and Wilson. 

It's a board built for 2nd place, PLC and executive.

[KingKirk 25,665]

3 hours ago, Jelavic191 said:

Thought the points discussed on yesterdays Heart & Hand were spot on regarding the board and current leadership. 
 

1) The board are stuck in 2021, congratulating themselves on stopping 10. 
2) There is no leadership. Robertson, Park, Wilson etc completely uninspiring and lacking any vision

3) Failure is tolerated and ingrained in the squad. 
 

We may win the odd trophy here and there but we are in no way set up for sustained success. The best chance was Summer 2021 and we missed out - we signed Lundstram and Sakala on a free and Bacuna and that was it. 
 

 

The flagship was even better Martyn summed it up wonderfully towards the end. How do the board find the investment to compete with celtic. Gerrard spent just over 30million in 3 years. Postecoglou almost spent that last summer. 

When u take all the emotional stuff away surrounding Sunday u realise we are still a good bit away from being "back" 

Another great listen is stevie on Rangers review 👍

[Kylegib 516]

3 hours ago, Jelavic191 said:

Thought the points discussed on yesterdays Heart & Hand were spot on regarding the board and current leadership. 
 

1) The board are stuck in 2021, congratulating themselves on stopping 10. 
2) There is no leadership. Robertson, Park, Wilson etc completely uninspiring and lacking any vision

3) Failure is tolerated and ingrained in the squad. 
 

We may win the odd trophy here and there but we are in no way set up for sustained success. The best chance was Summer 2021 and we missed out - we signed Lundstram and Sakala on a free and Bacuna and that was it. 
 

 

We were being linked with quality players like Veerman,Simmons, Doehki and Olsen at that time and signing that kind of quality would have taken us to the next level and in all liklihood had us going on a period of sustained success. The board either couldn't or wouldn't finance the signing of those players resulting in the manager leaving and setting us back years. We were talking about implementing a player trading model at the time we had players where we could make huge profit Bassey, Patterson, Aribo all sold for big fees then we had interest in Kent,Morelos and Kamara with all being quoted for big fees. The board with their decision not to invest after we won 55 has set us back years and it'll now be very difficult for us to get ourselves back in front because we don't have the finance and now have very few players that could demand a big transfer fee. From being so far in front to where we are now is all on the board.

[graeme_4 34,615]

19 hours ago, psb07158 said:

Loser mentality starts from the top - which is mental because our board is full of business-minded people who have been very successful in their careers.

Think it stems from Stewart Robertson tbh. He’s got a diddy club mentality. 

[Kylegib 516]

4 minutes ago, graeme_4 said:

Think it stems from Stewart Robertson tbh. He’s got a diddy club mentality. 

You're probably right the club lack leadership from top to bottom.

[the brown brogue 1,909]

Think it's a bit unfair on the board, after all they're currently tied up with their strategic planning on 'stopping the 10' in 7 years time.

Fully expect the good news to come out now that the club is delighted to announce contract extensions for Arfield, Jack, McGregor and Davis as they're great lads to have around the place and know what being a Ranger is all about.

[Essandoh 21,220]

Overtaking our trophy count next year.

Thats the biggest failure of the Club ever.

I canny believe that’s about to happen. It could take a long time to reverse, if ever. And that isn’t being dramatic. Clubs fall away all the time and never recover.

We need a miracle takeover or something we really do.

[OrangeRab 2,770]

3 hours ago, KingKirk said:

The flagship was even better Martyn summed it up wonderfully towards the end. How do the board find the investment to compete with celtic. Gerrard spent just over 30million in 3 years. Postecoglou almost spent that last summer. 

When u take all the emotional stuff away surrounding Sunday u realise we are still a good bit away from being "back" 

Another great listen is stevie on Rangers review 👍

The financial disparity is only going to get worse given the CL. But with the funds we’ve had we’ve royally fucked it. 5 years ago in a window we signed Goldson, Kamara, Barasic, Kent, Davis, Arfield, McGregor for less than 10 million (given Kent was just a loan at the time). 

9 windows later and only Lundstrum, Tillman and Davies starting in the final. Then consider we have sold 3 of our best and youngest prospects. We’ve done nothing for 5 years except let the squad get old and past it. 

It shouldn’t be that difficult to recruit 2 nailed on starters a year. You spend your 6 million on 2-3 sub 25 year olds you really like in the positions you need from not overpriced markets.

You cash in on the ones that don’t want to be here or whose contracts are running down (Morelos, Kent.)

And you recycle some of the old guys (move out your Davis, Arfield etc as they get past 30). 
 

Then after 5 years you have your new (young and fit) team. And there’s no need for these impossible rebuilds we’re faced with now.

Its pretty simple stuff

[RFC55 109,147]

26 minutes ago, Essandoh said:

Overtaking our trophy count next year.

Thats the biggest failure of the Club ever.

I canny believe that’s about to happen. It could take a long time to reverse, if ever. And that isn’t being dramatic. Clubs fall away all the time and never recover.

We need a miracle takeover or something we really do.

It took us 3 seasons to get competitive in the top league, they tarrier bastards had runs at the champions league money whilst we were losing to Annan and the like.

they were always going to get close to us after what happened in 2012.

They also got Rodgers after us knocking them out of the Scottish the season before and they backed him to a level we couldn’t do, our financials over the last few years show why it was hard for us.

they fucked up after us winning the league but before that and last season etc we can’t compete financially with what the fenians spend.

having said that it’s about getting recruitment right and not about how much you spend, but when you’re spending less, you do need a lot more luck 

[RFC55 109,147]

5 minutes ago, OrangeRab said:

The financial disparity is only going to get worse given the CL. But with the funds we’ve had we’ve royally fucked it. 5 years ago in a window we signed Goldson, Kamara, Barasic, Kent, Davis, Arfield, McGregor for less than 10 million (given Kent was just a loan at the time). 

9 windows later and only Lundstrum, Tillman and Davies starting in the final. Then consider we have sold 3 of our best and youngest prospects. We’ve done nothing for 5 years except let the squad get old and past it. 

It shouldn’t be that difficult to recruit 2 nailed on starters a year. You spend your 6 million on 2-3 sub 25 year olds you really like in the positions you need from not overpriced markets.

You cash in on the ones that don’t want to be here or whose contracts are running down (Morelos, Kent.)

And you recycle some of the old guys (move out your Davis, Arfield etc as they get past 30). 
 

Then after 5 years you have your new (young and fit) team. And there’s no need for these impossible rebuilds we’re faced with now.

Its pretty simple stuff

Kamara was signed in the January, davis signed in the January, 

[BlueKnight87 17,305]

16 minutes ago, RFC55 said:

It took us 3 seasons to get competitive in the top league, they tarrier bastards had runs at the champions league money whilst we were losing to Annan and the like.

they were always going to get close to us after what happened in 2012.

They also got Rodgers after us knocking them out of the Scottish the season before and they backed him to a level we couldn’t do, our financials over the last few years show why it was hard for us.

they fucked up after us winning the league but before that and last season etc we can’t compete financially with what the fenians spend.

having said that it’s about getting recruitment right and not about how much you spend, but when you’re spending less, you do need a lot more luck 

This is where we've been failing badly. 

We can't match their spending but we can spend what we have a lot better. 

This summer our 2 biggest spends where a CB and a LB. When we had other areas of the team that needed the investment. 

It comes back to Wilson and our scouting. It's no where near good enough when you look at the number of busts we've added. 

I honestly don't see it changing either as the board think wilson is doing good work.

We'll go into summer resign a couple of players that have let us down and add a few journeymen from down south. It's all too predicable.

[ForeverAndEver 71,603]

They spunked away some amount of money because their appointments were pish, Caixinha and the money spent on his signings

[OrangeRab 2,770]

1 hour ago, RFC55 said:

It took us 3 seasons to get competitive in the top league, they tarrier bastards had runs at the champions league money whilst we were losing to Annan and the like.

they were always going to get close to us after what happened in 2012.

They also got Rodgers after us knocking them out of the Scottish the season before and they backed him to a level we couldn’t do, our financials over the last few years show why it was hard for us.

they fucked up after us winning the league but before that and last season etc we can’t compete financially with what the fenians spend.

having said that it’s about getting recruitment right and not about how much you spend, but when you’re spending less, you do need a lot more luck 

We need luck now. But we didn’t really if this had been a steady approach since Wilson took over. It’s not that difficult to find 2-3 players each year. We need luck to find the 5-6 we need in one window this Summer.

Regardless you make your own luck. Nothing against Colak but a few million on a bit of a journeyman striker. Where does that fit in with the strategy of a suffocating press or sell on potential. Or 3 million on Matondo, did anyone watch him play? Or signing a defender with 8 ankle injuries. Is that bad luck or stupidity? Or 2 loan signings including one who barely kicked a ball in years. Where’s the strategy there?

Im pretty sure we’ve spent a good 25 million under Wilson, If we’d done what they did. Gone to Japan and spent 3 million on young players making the team of the year. That’s a pretty good bet. It’s unlikely someone voted into team of the year or top scorer who is improving each year is going to be shite.

We haven’t made our own luck. 

[KingKirk 25,665]

1 hour ago, OrangeRab said:

The financial disparity is only going to get worse given the CL. But with the funds we’ve had we’ve royally fucked it. 5 years ago in a window we signed Goldson, Kamara, Barasic, Kent, Davis, Arfield, McGregor for less than 10 million (given Kent was just a loan at the time). 

9 windows later and only Lundstrum, Tillman and Davies starting in the final. Then consider we have sold 3 of our best and youngest prospects. We’ve done nothing for 5 years except let the squad get old and past it. 

It shouldn’t be that difficult to recruit 2 nailed on starters a year. You spend your 6 million on 2-3 sub 25 year olds you really like in the positions you need from not overpriced markets.

You cash in on the ones that don’t want to be here or whose contracts are running down (Morelos, Kent.)

And you recycle some of the old guys (move out your Davis, Arfield etc as they get past 30). 
 

Then after 5 years you have your new (young and fit) team. And there’s no need for these impossible rebuilds we’re faced with now.

Its pretty simple stuff

100% and without sounding like a self entitled wanker it's upto the board to find that extra investment from somewhere to allow us to compete. Gerrard got 3 years beale won't even see 2023 out unless he's backed properly. Fans are always asked to dig deep every year on 3 or 4 kits, my gers, EH packages, £150 champions league package. Yet come the spring we've got a group of players that shit themselves when trophies are given out.  It can't continue forever. 

[Gascoigne's Flute 258]

4 hours ago, Kylegib said:

We were being linked with quality players like Veerman,Simmons, Doehki and Olsen at that time and signing that kind of quality would have taken us to the next level and in all liklihood had us going on a period of sustained success. The board either couldn't or wouldn't finance the signing of those players resulting in the manager leaving and setting us back years. We were talking about implementing a player trading model at the time we had players where we could make huge profit Bassey, Patterson, Aribo all sold for big fees then we had interest in Kent,Morelos and Kamara with all being quoted for big fees. The board with their decision not to invest after we won 55 has set us back years and it'll now be very difficult for us to get ourselves back in front because we don't have the finance and now have very few players that could demand a big transfer fee. From being so far in front to where we are now is all on the board.

The board dropped the ball & got cocky, they bargained on the filth totally collapsing after 55 & thought with a few cheap signings we would sweep to another title. They reacted and strengthed while we began to stagnate, this is on them as much as the previous managers not doing their job well enough.

[Craiggybear 6,192]

1 hour ago, RFC55 said:

having said that it’s about getting recruitment right and not about how much you spend, but when you’re spending less, you do need a lot more luck 

It's a good point but the big difference between our board and theirs is fear.

 

They utterly imploded the year we won 55.... fan protests, tarrier barriers, the lot. 

 

Scum board listened (because as I have said many times in here - they are shit scared of their supporters) and they did a full rebuild from manager right down to goalkeeper because they knew if they didn't the fans would linch them. 

 

Our board know we as supporters are a soft touch and will stay loyal to the core. That's why they don't fear us. Board are happy getting by on the minimum requirements. 

 

[BlueKnight87 17,305]

38 minutes ago, OrangeRab said:

We need luck now. But we didn’t really if this had been a steady approach since Wilson took over. It’s not that difficult to find 2-3 players each year. We need luck to find the 5-6 we need in one window this Summer.

Regardless you make your own luck. Nothing against Colak but a few million on a bit of a journeyman striker. Where does that fit in with the strategy of a suffocating press or sell on potential. Or 3 million on Matondo, did anyone watch him play? Or signing a defender with 8 ankle injuries. Is that bad luck or stupidity? Or 2 loan signings including one who barely kicked a ball in years. Where’s the strategy there?

Im pretty sure we’ve spent a good 25 million under Wilson, If we’d done what they did. Gone to Japan and spent 3 million on young players making the team of the year. That’s a pretty good bet. It’s unlikely someone voted into team of the year or top scorer who is improving each year is going to be shite.

We haven’t made our own luck. 

There really is no clear strategy in place. 

The point of the DOF is to put a structure is in place so you don't need to tear everything up when players and management change. 

Yet under Wilson we're signing players that don't fit a pressing system. We hired a manager in gio who used a different approach altogether. 

Honestly don't think we need a DOF at all. 

[Gascoigne's Flute 258]

5 minutes ago, BlueKnight87 said:

There really is no clear strategy in place. 

The point of the DOF is to put a structure is in place so you don't need to tear everything up when players and management change. 

Yet under Wilson we're signing players that don't fit a pressing system. We hired a manager in gio who used a different approach altogether. 

Honestly don't think we need a DOF at all. 

First we need a DOF who knows what a good player looks like, it feels like blind luck when when sign a player who turns out half decent. 

[BlueKnight87 17,305]

43 minutes ago, Gascoigne's Flute said:

First we need a DOF who knows what a good player looks like, it feels like blind luck when when sign a player who turns out half decent. 

Players that can stay fit as well. 

Just seen this on twitter 

"In total, the 7 summer signings have missed 78 out of 182 league games through injury. That's 43% of the available fixtures."

[Loyal72 11,257]

20 hours ago, The Ibrox Derry said:

The problem goes all the way back to the summer of 2021 after winning 55.

This is when we had them by the balls and failed to invest and the rot set in.

The Genesis of our current problems were planted back then.

The board are well and truly to blame.

Said this so many fucking times.

This board presumed that lot were going to be having a bit of bother, new manager, needed to settle etc, had to much faith in our squad, and took the risk.

Go with what we had, do the league again, get Champions League money, and rinse repeat.

We had it, it was there, build from a position of strength and they chucked it away.

It's fucking monumental negligence of the football department.

First and foremost, win the league, anything else will take care of itself, if we don't have the money for EH, we don't build it, instead they spent what we could've used for the squad, and had to get the begging bowl out, thrice to finish.

Beyond shite.

[The Ibrox Derry 8,907]

1 hour ago, Loyal72 said:

Said this so many fucking times.

This board presumed that lot were going to be having a bit of bother, new manager, needed to settle etc, had to much faith in our squad, and took the risk.

Go with what we had, do the league again, get Champions League money, and rinse repeat.

We had it, it was there, build from a position of strength and they chucked it away.

It's fucking monumental negligence of the football department.

First and foremost, win the league, anything else will take care of itself, if we don't have the money for EH, we don't build it, instead they spent what we could've used for the squad, and had to get the begging bowl out, thrice to finish.

Beyond shite.

I have to admit that I wasn't overly concerned about the lack of investment in the squad that summer. I had the mindset that you detailed above. We were caught sleepwalking, pure and simple.

[The Ibrox Derry 8,907]

1 hour ago, Loyal72 said:

Said this so many fucking times.

This board presumed that lot were going to be having a bit of bother, new manager, needed to settle etc, had to much faith in our squad, and took the risk.

Go with what we had, do the league again, get Champions League money, and rinse repeat.

We had it, it was there, build from a position of strength and they chucked it away.

It's fucking monumental negligence of the football department.

First and foremost, win the league, anything else will take care of itself, if we don't have the money for EH, we don't build it, instead they spent what we could've used for the squad, and had to get the begging bowl out, thrice to finish.

Beyond shite.

We done exactly what the filth done the previous summer, when they presumed that 10iar was in the bag.