***** The Official Servette v Rangers Champions League Qualifier Match Thread *****

[esquire8 43,590]

4 minutes ago, jintybear said:

Get that pinned in the dressing room!

Pin it all you want, they fucks look like they could rip us a new arsehole.

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,925]

2 minutes ago, Drunk and disorderly. said:

Bookmarked this btw Jiim.

Just glad we won tbh.

I was absolutely livid when they scored. 

The guy who made the assist wasn't marked and their scorer wasn't.

Collective defensive failure imo.

Butland impressed me and was my morm. 

Great signing 

 

 

We've spent 30mill in 2 years and still have absolutely no idea how to properly defend, its a nightmare and everytime any team attack us you fear them scoring

Goal or not tonight, tav had a performance that would see anyone else dropped from the team, the usual ones blinded by tavs stats will defend him (ironic given he cant fucking defend himself) but if that was anyone else in the team who played as tav did tonight, cunts would be hunting him

Instead he'll get away with it again

[Malkytfp1 18,761]

1 minute ago, STEPPS BOY said:

Missing that chance absolutely ruined Danilo.

He looked in a state of shock.

I’m hoping, against my instinct, that Dessers needs games and buying a 6ft 3 centre forward and trying to turn him into a right sided ten was just bizarre.

Aye the Dessers thing is fucking mental mate. 

Funny enough, the way we created chances last season would have suited Dessers. 

We just need to find a way to feed these forwards. Cantwell is capable. If we had Raskin sitting and two Cantwells either side we'd be getting more.

[BlueThunder 8,454]

That PSV post makes we so want to fuck them.

The night when all our strikers score a goal each would be good…..

[NitshillBear 1,490]

18 minutes ago, Broxi said:

The players you mentioned form the entire front line, including the #10 playmaker, and 2 strikers who are supposed to be playing off each other. They should be creating chances. 

If we were talking about one player, like Danilo, then sure. But you can't say 4 attacking players need service. At what point is it not just them not providing any service to each other?

No, at that point it's a more fundamental problem with our setup.

[Malkytfp1 18,761]

3 minutes ago, Jamie0202 said:

Agree. Goals and chances need to come from all over the park. I include the CBs in that as well. Gough used to always be a great bet for first goalscorer in OF games.

Obviously in most teams the majority of the goals will be created and scored by the forward players. We have created chances but in Danillo, Dessers and Lammers we have three forwards who over the course of the full tie have missed at least 1 chance each which most would describe as a sitter.

It goes without saying but that needs to improve or we can forget about getting past PSV.

They have all been guilty of missing big chances over the legs. We need to play the law of averages and create more though.

The one thing I think we have which we haven't for a while is big fellas in the box from set pieces. Hoping to see us get some joy from that.

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,925]

6 minutes ago, Malkytfp1 said:

Honestly wasn't too disappointed with Danillo tonight. Thought he started running the channels well and was coming into it. He was very isolated but.

With Dessers I have been disappointed but he looks off the pace and lacking match sharpness more than anything. To be convinced.

Lammers is baffling. I don't think he's a ten. Has good feet and has shown he can arrive late and grab a goal but he looks lost.

 

 

I honestly dont know what beale set them up to do tonight, we knew cantwell and sima were the number tens, if they were to be wider (imo the should have been) then our sitting 3 needed to be pressing higher, but they werent, which means imo beale wanted sima and cantwell to be central, but as usual because we have a deeper 2 who cover out wide, theres a massive gap between defence and attack, so when sima and cantwell were dropping to get the ball, danilo was isolated (exactly what i said mid match that could not happen) 

[Scottywellhousetb 50,733]

5 minutes ago, esquire8 said:

Pin it all you want, they fucks look like they could rip us a new arsehole.

Could they aye ? Fucking fuck PSV 

[Malkytfp1 18,761]

1 minute ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

I honestly dont know what beale set them up to do tonight, we knew cantwell and sima were the number tens, if they were to be wider (imo the should have been) then our sitting 3 needed to be pressing higher, but they werent, which means imo beale wanted sima and cantwell to be central, but as usual because we have a deeper 2 who cover out wide, theres a massive gap between defence and attack, so when sima and cantwell were dropping to get the ball, danilo was isolated (exactly what i said mid match that could not happen) 

Hit the nail on the head with the pressing. Said it at half time. Not sure why our pressing is so bad. When Beale and Gerrard had us flying in Europe it evolved around an incredible unit press where we won the ball back and countered amazingly. Got so much joy from that and it was all Beales doing. Now we sit deep and allow teams to walk up to the halfway line. Used to press and make them go long where goldson would sweep up.

[billythebear1986 317]

That psv team hardly full of world class players either. Hopefully Tillman plays like he did every time he played celtic. 

on paper they are weaker than last year. They had Simon and Gapko last year.

 

second half today was alot better, we definitely a work in progress

[esquire8 43,590]

3 minutes ago, Scottywellhousetb said:

Could they aye ? Fucking fuck PSV 

They look like they could aye            .

Fuckity fucking fuck P fucking S fucking V fucks.

[GWR1979 1,986]

34 minutes ago, Malkytfp1 said:

They spent £12m on that Nao Lang who was linked with Liverpool last year. Tillman too obviously and these are the type of players that can hurt us. Brought in Pepi who did well in Germany. Spent over £20m.

Don't have a museum but 

The museum is the deciding factor imo

[born a blue nose 91,034]

That was a galvanising result if you'll ever see one. 

I'm starting to proper believe in these cunts

[chris182 6,366]

3 minutes ago, billythebear1986 said:

That psv team hardly full of world class players either. Hopefully Tillman plays like he did every time he played celtic. 

on paper they are weaker than last year. They had Simon and Gapko last year.

 

second half today was alot better, we definitely a work in progress

Need to get stuck into him

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,925]

5 minutes ago, Malkytfp1 said:

Aye the Dessers thing is fucking mental mate. 

Funny enough, the way we created chances last season would have suited Dessers. 

We just need to find a way to feed these forwards. Cantwell is capable. If we had Raskin sitting and two Cantwells either side we'd be getting more.

Our system of 3 defensive sided mids invites pressure and creates isolation up front

Sima and cantwell are the 10's tonight, wether they drift wide or stay central we have a back 4 and 3 sitting mids all goalside for us, so when any of they 7 players get the ball, our 10's and striker are outmanned, so they keep the ball (fair enough) by passing sideways and backwards

However every time we do that the opposition creep up the park 5 yards, so we drop 5 yards to maintain the space to operate in, however our 3 guys up front are then isolated, so the tens drop deeper and come more central to offer an option, still outmanned and now further away from the lone striker whos got absolutely no cunt up there with him to feed off or to link up with

We simply cannot play with 3 sitting mids, one has to push high up the park and allow the 2 tens to drift wide and create space, the fullbacks can still attack, overlap etc, however we need someone to break the lines from midfield, someone to move into the space to receive a pass instead of being the one playing the pass

Imo Raskin and Cifuentes should be sitting mids, cantwell central ten, sima out wide and someone else on the left and a striker who cantwell will literally be within ten yards of at all times (like naismith used to play with jelavic) 

And at home domestically, either Raskin or Cifuentes is sacrificed for a second striker and force teams back, not let them force us back

[superallysbears 7,844]

Rangers will perform against PSV, alot of this team have already proven it, would love Tom Lawrence to be in the euro sqaud.

[OrangeRab 3,023]

Really liking the look of Raskin and Cifuentes with Raskin further forward.

Still think we need someone better than Jack/Lundstrum. Either someone with legs that can offer the protection Jack can’t against the counter attack. Or somebody that can pass it and play forward quicker. (Preferably both).

Nitpicking. But this is just a classic example of Jack/Lundstrum - every time they play back to goal. They just don’t have the ability to play forward on the turn.

If he plays that forward first time it’s a 3 arguably 4 on 3.

It’s so critical having a good ball player in that position and really feel like that’s the biggest difference between us and celtic is they have McGregor/Hatate in that role. 

[Jamie0202 12,561]

7 minutes ago, born a blue nose said:

That was a galvanising result if you'll ever see one. 

I'm starting to proper believe in these cunts

Agree. And a captains performance from Tavernier who led by example and dragged us through the tie with his two goals.

[JackAlex93 11,594]

Feeling positive after that result tonight. I see the signs of a good team emerging. Far too much negativity on here

[Kents_Hook 1,496]

watching the psv game and i think if we can somehow start to gel like a team, some of the stuff was nice tonight but other stuff needs major work then i think we could do the business against them, their defense is very very shaky but their attacking play is extremely dangerous.

[Big Al 55 9,307]

40 minutes ago, goaaaal said:

Chronic performance tonight despite progression still far too slow in the build up even though there has been a lot of changes for this season.

The managers approach is still as predictable players  are not showing anywhere  near enough invention when coming out from defence with poor passing ,far too many touches after seeing a player when a simple lay off would suffice by which time they are closed out or snuffed out.

The service has always been an Achilles heel across the deck out of defence as no one offers near enough in terms.of running off the ball or looking up for the big switch cancelling out an opposition front line of some four or more players instead the predictable back pass occurs that's fucking pathetic at this level.

A good number of times tonight we had a player in space and the inevitable backpass dictates our approach not good enough even up front that first real counter attack from them leading to Butlanda save came off the back of shite passing around their 18 yd box on both sides before the counter occured when a more.incisive pass was needed to open them up rather than the usual fucking about going sideways when a diagonal ball into the box puts us through .

There was a few glimpses.of all of the above gripes but as usual with Us it's all bit part disjointed build up and the goals we lose are as a direct result of this dithering in build up play we are not dominant enough but should be given the sometimes build up play that does produce an end product and goals .

We are a bloody frustrating team to watch a lot of the time but given the players and abilities it should be so much better especially with PSV coming up.

 

Disagree with your first two words, any draw away from home in Europe which results in moving on is hardly chronic.

[Jamie0202 12,561]

8 minutes ago, superallysbears said:

Rangers will perform against PSV, alot of this team have already proven it, would love Tom Lawrence to be in the euro sqaud.

It's the first team we need to be concerned about. Of the players who played against PSV last season across both legs only 3 are likely to start and all make up part of the ageing back 4.

This was last year's teams against them. Lundstram might also get a start against PSV so possibly 4 players.

[Jamie0202 12,561]

10 minutes ago, OrangeRab said:

Really liking the look of Raskin and Cifuentes with Raskin further forward.

Still think we need someone better than Jack/Lundstrum. Either someone with legs that can offer the protection Jack can’t against the counter attack. Or somebody that can pass it and play forward quicker. (Preferably both).

Nitpicking. But this is just a classic example of Jack/Lundstrum - every time they play back to goal. They just don’t have the ability to play forward on the turn.

If he plays that forward first time it’s a 3 arguably 4 on 3.

It’s so critical having a good ball player in that position and really feel like that’s the biggest difference between us and celtic is they have McGregor/Hatate in that role. 

Is this a spot the ball competition mate?

[OrangeRab 3,023]

1 minute ago, Jamie0202 said:

Is this a spot the ball competition mate?

😂. Sorry brutal photo. Jack takes it off Cifuentes and does his usual turn back to goal instead of just laying it off forward 

[superallysbears 7,844]

2 minutes ago, Jamie0202 said:

It's the first team we need to be concerned about. Of the players who played against PSV last season across both legs only 3 are likely to start and all make up part of the ageing back 4.

This was last year's teams against them. Lundstram might also get a start against PSV so possibly 4 players.

Can we see Tom Lawrence feature? Probably no but him fit and firing would probably take his place, at least we've no James Sands although he played out his skin over there if memory serves me right.