Frank de Boer

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I would love Frank DeBoer as manager.  He's played and coached at the highest level.  Maybe Eck could be his DoF?  Get these guys in and let's start building for next season.  We've been a shambles for far too long.

[6superbarry6 14,162]

be absolutely criminal if the board don't try and make this happen

[Smile 26,610]

16 minutes ago, KWBear said:

I do get what you mean.. but is there any coach out there at all who we could realistically get that you'd be happy with?

It doesn't matter if I'm happy or not it's if they are a good fit for Rangers, FDB will need money this board will not give him any, Realistically we will end up with someone who's managed us before or maybe Billy Davies.

Would be good to do this right enough, do need to need to spend first.

http://www.transfermarkt.com/ajax-amsterdam/alletransfers/verein/610#

 

 

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32 minutes ago, jackrfc95 said:

My thoughts were its a come and get me but not just Rangers, other teams come and get me as well.

Very true. All the more reason for the board to not fuck about and get this man to Ibrox

[geneva_ger 9,378]

6 minutes ago, Smile said:

It doesn't matter if I'm happy or not it's if they are a good fit for Rangers, FDB will need money this board will not give him any, Realistically we will end up with someone who's managed us before or maybe Billy Davies.

Just not good enough I'm afraid. Look at how many of us thought mmmm maybe 55 is possible this year. Get FdB and give him £20m and we can get the 55 and the £20m back from Europe. Those fuckers across the city will be languishing in a slammer soon.

No to Davis.

[rfc_watp 1,503]

Come to Rangers Frank. 

You are one of us and can lead us back to the top.

[6superbarry6 14,162]

4 minutes ago, geneva_ger said:

Just not good enough I'm afraid. Look at how many of us thought mmmm maybe 55 is possible this year. Get FdB and give him £20m and we can get the 55 and the £20m back from Europe. Those fuckers across the city will be languishing in a slammer soon.

No to Davis.

My thoughts exactly we need champions league football and the money that comes with it,only way we're going to achieve that is by spending money and getting a proven manager in speculate to accumulate ??

[MayboleLoyal_atb 3,731]

Huge pressure on the board now to deliver after that interview. The fans simply won't accept a Derek mcinnes type now.

[The Godfather 72,079]

Just now, MayboleLoyal_atb said:

Huge pressure on the board now to deliver after that interview. The fans simply won't accept a Derek mcinnes type now.

The fans will have little choice. 

Look it's all good reading some sound bites that say FDB won't flat out say no to managing us but it's still very much pie in the sky stuff expecting a manager with his stock as high as Frank's to come into this cluster fuck of a club. 

We are skint, we have a squad full of poor players who we will struggle to move on and we have a support who demand to be winning games and titles....the manager usually is on a hiding to nothing coming in here so expecting someone like FDB to risk it again (after Inter) is crazy IMO.

I like our ambition and of course we should try as hard as we can to get him in but look at it from a logical perspective....he's not coming, not in a million years.

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45 minutes ago, Smile said:

It doesn't matter if I'm happy or not it's if they are a good fit for Rangers, FDB will need money this board will not give him any, Realistically we will end up with someone who's managed us before or maybe Billy Davies.

Would be good to do this right enough, do need to need to spend first.

http://www.transfermarkt.com/ajax-amsterdam/alletransfers/verein/610#

 

 

FdB had his own transfer policy at Ajax where he would refuse to sign any single player for more than 5m. He isn't someone who is going to command tens of millions.

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36 minutes ago, geneva_ger said:

Just not good enough I'm afraid. Look at how many of us thought mmmm maybe 55 is possible this year. Get FdB and give him £20m and we can get the 55 and the £20m back from Europe. Those fuckers across the city will be languishing in a slammer soon.

No to Davis.

We won't go near Davies, I'd put my house on in.

Scaremongering from the negative types is all that is.

[Malkytfp1 18,618]

Still not sure about FdB. I agree he is probably the best name we have been linked with however.

Whilst it's difficult to judge him on his Inter Milan tenure, it's equally as difficult to judge him on his Ajax tenure. Yes he won 4 in a row, but he did so with players at his disposal such as Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Christian Eriksen, Luis Suarez, Blind, De Jong, Milik, and more household names.

He also had many Warberton traits. When he changed tactics or made subs, it was only really to shift around personnel without any alterations to the game plan and as such, good opponents eventually developed the ability to neutralise Ajax for the most part. 

Even a brief glance at his short Inter Milan stint shows them 12th in Serie A and last in the Europa League.

My main concern with him is his lack of experience as well as ability to handle pressure. On the bright side thoigh his record against them is not bad. Played 3 won 2 drawn 1.     :)

[The Godfather 72,079]

1 minute ago, PRW. said:

FdB had his own transfer policy at Ajax where he would refuse to sign any single player for more than 5m. He isn't someone who is going to command tens of millions.

Thing is we need 5/6 players who will command fee's in the millions. 
 

We don't have that, Ajax had money available to him, a squad of good young players and had a cracking youth set up...look at what we have. It's night and day 

[Cobham 1,569]

9 hours ago, PRW. said:

This is a really interesting read, recommend taking the time to do so...

TACTICAL PHILOSOPHY

Attractive football through combination play and individual expression are the key elements to please the Ajax faithful. De Boer incorporates possession in addition to these key elements for most games, although he has proved to be tactically flexible in big matchups, especially away from home where he has opted for a more direct approach.

In the sense of van Gaal’s universalism, this means that every single player is available for support while attacking and in the absence of ball possession, every player presses aggressively in order to transition quickly. Cruyffian individualism is also expressed through their quick combination play to release a man and through dribbling on the wings.

De Boer is true to Ajax’s 4-3-3 with a balance of the tactical ideals of Cruyff and van Gaal. He incorporates van Gaal’s sense of detail in defensive organization and pressing, and Cruyff’s favoured ball circulation and positional interchange in build-up play. He also tends to rely on the intelligence of players to do what the game demands of them and as such his tactics form a framework more than a static system of play. This understandably leads to comparisons with the totaalvoetbal of the 1970s and the contemporary Barcelona abound, but limited finances at the club mean the reliance on youth is their best hope of continuing their domestic revival and initiating one on the continental front.

Offensive Organization: Possession and Interchange to Release the Ball to ‘Direct’ Wingers

Ajax build from the back as part of de Boer’s philosophy to play with possession. They play with positional interchange to draw the opponent out of their spaces, often with the intention of finding a pass to one of the channels. Unlike Barcelona who overload the channels to switch the point of play with their passing, de Boer often employs quick, direct wingers like Anwar El Ghazi, Ricardo Kishna and Lucas Andersen for his midfielders to release the ball to, before they take on defenders in 1v1 or 2v1 situations. This balance is necessary to please the Ajax faithful who are not fond of excessive horizontal passing with no intention to combine and penetrate on the flanks. This is also good management on de Boer’s part to find a balance in incorporating the young, tricky dribblers from the Ajax academy, without being overly direct.

Playing Wide

Direct Wingers

Offensive Transition: Vertical Penetration through the Center

When Ajax get the ball wide, for the most part they are doing one of two things – drawing the opposition out before circulating the ball in midfield to keep possession or playing directly to the wingers as stated previously. In the former case, they are likely seeing the game out against lower ranked opposition who have likely tired after pressing the Amsterdam club for most of the game. In the transition from defense to offense however, de Boer’s team play with directness and verticality to exploit the spaces left by defenders out of position. Their vertical passing allows for quick, direct combinations before playing the ball through the center towards goal.

Offensive Transition

Defensive Organization: Single Midfield Block Denying Passing Lanes

Off the ball, de Boer’s Ajax tend to defend deep, setting up a compact midfield block with five midfielders behind the ball (4-5-1). This reduces the penetration and tends to be a simpler approach compared that of other young managers like Thomas Tuchel who have variations in the shape of their defensive blocks. De Boer’s simplified approach has proven to be successful domestically, considering the youthfulness and primarily offensive mind-set of the players from the Ajax academy in the first team. The team presses in response to triggers such as pressing a receiving player who is facing his own goal, or when the receiving player is pinned to the touchline.

Defensive Organisation 

Defensive Transition: Compact Shift to One Side of the Field

When de Boer’s Ajax concede possession in midfield with numbers behind the ball, they reduce the space and passing options to form a compact block that shifts towards the channel nearest to the player in possession. If they do not have numbers behind, the striker and one of the wingers press in their attacking third while the midfielders behind them recover their shape. With the play forced to one side, the nearest defender to the ball is able to press the opposition player with the ball to reduce his options, potentially forcing the ball out of play or recovering the ball to transition or keep possession.

Defensive Transition

THREE CAREER DEFINING GAMES

A 2-1 win against Barcelona was vital to send Ajax to the Europa League after being knocked out of the Champions League in the 2013/14 season. On the night, they pressed and harried the Barcelona players off the ball, despite playing most of the second half with ten men. Goals from Thulani Serero and Danny Hoesen gave them a result that would have surely made Johan Cruyff smile.

A year before, de Boer’s Ajax played a key role in knocking Manchester City out of the Champions League and taking a Europa League spot for themselves. Beating a Manchester City team laden with riches with a young team of academy products was no mean feat by the Dutch side.

Rewinding to the 2010-11 season, de Boer capped his first season in charge with a 3-1 final day victory against defending champions FC Twente to secure the Eredivisie title for Ajax. This was Ajax’s 30th title, and securing it on his 41st birthday was a significant moment at the start of a promising managerial career.

THREE KEY PLAYERS DEVELOPED

Frank de Boer led Ajax’s youth academy in 2007, with Christian Eriksen (Tottenham Hotspur), Toby Alderweireld (Southampton on loan from Atletico Madrid), and Daley Blind (Manchester United) being some of the major beneficiaries of his tutelage then in the academy, and soon after in the first team when he took over the managerial role in 2010.

During his stint in the youth academy, de Boer spoke highly of Eriksen, “He’s always on the move. Quick thinking. He has eyes in his back. When you think he doesn’t see you, he sees you.” He believes that Daley Blind is best suited as a central midfielder for Manchester United although he began plying his trade as a full back. Belgian defender Toby Alderweireld formed a partnership with Jan Vertonghen that provided a basis for Ajax’s 2010-11 and 2011-12 title successes, but were replaced ably as de Boer’s Ajax extended their run to four consecutive Eredivisie titles.

Blending the talented individuals of Ajax with contemporary team tactics was not Martin Jol’s cup of tea and he paid the price. Discontent with the state of the first team’s affairs, Johan Cruyff pushed for changes in 2010 which resulted in Frank de Boer’s promotion from leading the youth academy to being put in charge of the first team. With the success of four consecutive Eredivisie titles and consistent third placed group finishes in the Champions League, de Boer certainly justified this choice of appointment. He will surely be looking to build on his domestic success, within the club’s limitations, to push on for European success in the coming years.

 

This all looks great and it makes for an interesting read but the reality is that the pictures and tactics from above show and speak about direct/quick wingers and one pictures shows the midfielder about to slide a ball in behind the full back for the wingers to run on to, that's never going to happen here other than maybe against Celtic. Every week other team is going to sit in and leave no space for us to play in behind. That has also happened under Warburton and leaves us passing in and around the opponents 18 yard box with 8/9 opposition players defending inside the box leaving no space in behind. 

I love the thought of this kind of football but we would almost need to become a team that plays on the counter to open up the kind of space the above pictures show. 

Despite what I've said I'm excited by the possibility of DeBoer and I'm sure he'd be far more capable than me in coming up with a system that counters the defensive mind set of our opponents. 

[Skyson1872 2,923]

3 minutes ago, Malkytfp1 said:

Still not sure about FdB. I agree he is probably the best name we have been linked with however.

Whilst it's difficult to judge him on his Inter Milan tenure, it's equally as difficult to judge him on his Ajax tenure. Yes he won 4 in a row, but he did so with players at his disposal such as Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Christian Eriksen, Luis Suarez, Blind, De Jong, Milik, and more household names.

He also had many Warberton traits. When he changed tactics or made subs, it was only really to shift around personnel without any alterations to the game plan and as such, good opponents eventually developed the ability to neutralise Ajax for the most part. 

Even a brief glance at his short Inter Milan stint shows them 12th in Serie A and last in the Europa League.

My main concern with him is his lack of experience as well as ability to handle pressure. On the bright side thoigh his record against them is not bad. Played 3 won 2 drawn 1.     :)

He developed them into the players they are today, he is the first manager in their history to win it 4 times consecutively so it's clearly not as easy as you think and he hardly had pish teams to compete with (Twente, PSV, AZ, Feyenoodd).

[RDFM 3,809]

8 minutes ago, Cobham said:

This all looks great and it makes for an interesting read but the reality is that the pictures and tactics from above show and speak about direct/quick wingers and one pictures shows the midfielder about to slide a ball in behind the full back for the wingers to run on to, that's never going to happen here other than maybe against Celtic. Every week other team is going to sit in and leave no space for us to play in behind. That has also happened under Warburton and leaves us passing in and around the opponents 18 yard box with 8/9 opposition players defending inside the box leaving no space in behind. 

I love the thought of this kind of football but we would almost need to become a team that plays on the counter to open up the kind of space the above pictures show. 

Despite what I've said I'm excited by the possibility of DeBoer and I'm sure he'd be far more capable than me in coming up with a system that counters the defensive mind set of our opponents. 

Virtually no team has sat in against us this season.

 

It was our fucking dire and ridiculously slow play that allowed them to form a defensive structure, but more often than not we got pressed massively.

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4 minutes ago, Skyson1872 said:

He developed them into the players they are today, he is the first manager in their history to win it 4 times consecutively so it's clearly not as easy as you think and he hardly had pish teams to compete with (Twente, PSV, AZ, Feyenoodd).

To be fair I think and someone can correct me but PSV/AJAX have won the majority of titles in the last 30-40 years with the exception of 2/3 times. Looking at his transfer policy he promotes a look of youths which right now we do not have. He is a great name but the more I think about it......current players, youth set up, lack or very little transfer kitty would he be a good fit. Some would say he could attract good young players from Holland/Spain but how would they do on a Wednesday night in Dingwall. 

[geneva_ger 9,378]

11 minutes ago, Cobham said:

That has also happened under Warburton and leaves us passing in and around the opponents 18 yard box with 8/9 opposition players defending inside the box leaving no space in behind.

Remember that players outwith Rangers current squad can shoot from outside the box, something we fail to do and if we do manage it then the guy in Row Z gets his bovril splattered on his puss. I'd imagine any coach will have us taking a chance from 25 yards.

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3 minutes ago, In Dungeons Deep said:

Virtually no team has sat in against us this season.

 

It was our fucking dire and ridiculously slow play that allowed them to form a defensive structure, but more often than not we got pressed massively.

They have sat in but we've made it so easy for them to do so and it is all down to coaching.

We move far too slow and there is next to no movement from our players. They lack the footbaling brain to pull players out of position and capitalise on it.

[Cobham 1,569]

2 minutes ago, In Dungeons Deep said:

Virtually no team has sat in against us this season.

 

It was our fucking dire and ridiculously slow play that allowed them to form a defensive structure, but more often than not we got pressed massively.

Yeah I suppose this is true. 

Like i said the possibility of DeBoer excites me but I really don't want more side ways stuff with no end product. Possession between Wes, Tav, Wallace, Kiernan, Wilson, Hill and or Senderos trying to pass their way out of trouble around the 18 yard box does not constitute good possession regardless of the stats at the end of the match. I'm desperate, as is everyone else, for some exciting, creative, quick football that will take us from one side of the pitch to the other in 4/5 passes ending up with at least a shot on goal. 

[Malkytfp1 18,618]

17 minutes ago, Skyson1872 said:

He developed them into the players they are today, he is the first manager in their history to win it 4 times consecutively so it's clearly not as easy as you think and he hardly had pish teams to compete with (Twente, PSV, AZ, Feyenoodd).

Yes, but he also spent at leastover £30million on players in his tenure. Not including free transfers.

2011/12 €14m
2012/13 €6m
2013/14 €7
2014/15 €5

[plumbGER 24,518]

11 minutes ago, gj923 said:

To be fair I think and someone can correct me but PSV/AJAX have won the majority of titles in the last 30-40 years with the exception of 2/3 times. Looking at his transfer policy he promotes a look of youths which right now we do not have. He is a great name but the more I think about it......current players, youth set up, lack or very little transfer kitty would he be a good fit. Some would say he could attract good young players from Holland/Spain but how would they do on a Wednesday night in Dingwall. 

We haven't played on a Wednesday in Dingwall this season, the bheggars have though

[MayboleLoyal_atb 3,731]

33 minutes ago, The Godfather said:

The fans will have little choice. 

Look it's all good reading some sound bites that say FDB won't flat out say no to managing us but it's still very much pie in the sky stuff expecting a manager with his stock as high as Frank's to come into this cluster fuck of a club. 

We are skint, we have a squad full of poor players who we will struggle to move on and we have a support who demand to be winning games and titles....the manager usually is on a hiding to nothing coming in here so expecting someone like FDB to risk it again (after Inter) is crazy IMO.

I like our ambition and of course we should try as hard as we can to get him in but look at it from a logical perspective....he's not coming, not in a million years.

Ronald frank and now his agent saying he will listen to us. Would be suicide for the board if they don't even talk to him and just go straight for a Davies or mcinnes.

[The Godfather 72,079]

Just now, MayboleLoyal_atb said:

Ronald frank and now his agent saying he will listen to us. Would be suicide for the board if they don't even talk to him and just go straight for a Davies or mcinnes.

Of course they will talk to him if that's what he wants, the board would never flat out refuse not to. 

They said he will listen to any offer that he has which I think is a fairly generic response that most managers would be giving out. 

He's going to have offers and a fair few will be more attractive and 'safer' than this one. EPL sides and top ones were looking at him before Inter so you can expect there to be some interest there.
 

FDB isn't stupid, he will know the expectation at this club is vast while the tools at hand to reach them are non existent. 

I hope he comes in but I think that's a hugely unlikely scenario.

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12 minutes ago, The Godfather said:

Of course they will talk to him if that's what he wants, the board would never flat out refuse not to. 

They said he will listen to any offer that he has which I think is a fairly generic response that most managers would be giving out. 

He's going to have offers and a fair few will be more attractive and 'safer' than this one. EPL sides and top ones were looking at him before Inter so you can expect there to be some interest there.
 

FDB isn't stupid, he will know the expectation at this club is vast while the tools at hand to reach them are non existent. 

I hope he comes in but I think that's a hugely unlikely scenario.

He's fluent in English and like Koeman wants to manage in the EPL (unless it's Juve, Bayern, Barca, PSG etc...)... Let's be honest here, FDB is not going to get the Barca job... GvB is possibly the man to land that gig. 

FDB is not going to get a top 6 EPL club... Koeman isn't leaving Everton... would FDB take on someone like Southampton? I doubt it, that's a massive gamble for his reputation. 

He needs a club with huge expectations and demands where there is a realistic possibility of him doing something in Europe, that's Rangers. If he fails badly, it's a win-win scenario as nobody will be overly surprised with the blame laid squarely with the board. That's the problem, FDB is a massive and expensive gamble for the board, if he doesn't get it right... they might get it in the neck for not supporting him with funds. 

On a positive note, I originally laughed when FDB was linked but the more he stays quiet, the more this story gathers momentum and PR can easily become a driver in decision making. These guys have big ego's... at Rangers he can be a huge fish in a small pond and make that leap to a big club in England.

The only club I see that might appeal to him in the summer is West Ham?