bluenoz 30,836 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Bears r us said: I did not know when his contract did end but knew it would be soon, and agree that we will probably find out then what has gone on. I did not want Kenny to be here last season for playing reasons and Lee after being out for so long would probably be better moving on. My problem is that they were showing the kind of emotion that I would expect from players after that hellish performance and Murty could not handle it and ran to management. I feel it is a very poor way for their careers ( I am assuming Lee will go) to end at our Club. The two players have been found guilty by the club but we have yet to hear their version. I'm not taking sides because I'm sure there are two different interpretations to be told and we haven't really heard anything. The clubs punishment could be wrong or the players could be wrong but the one who escapes criticism is Murty for that brutal team selection and same formation and that also deserves blame. I suppose losing his job was his guillotine. Bears r us 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,482 Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Pure_Quality said: The Parma player did all the below and got his shirt retired, yeah? Low standards at Parma then. The last two years? He's been injured since September How did he undermine Caixinha and Murty? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure_Quality 3,295 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 minute ago, ForeverAndEver said: The last two years? He's been injured since September How did he undermine Caixinha and Murty? Yup, he's been pretty shite for 2 years when not injured and was told to stay away under Caixinha and suspended under Murty for supposedly undermining both in the dressing room. All pretty straightforward really. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,482 Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Pure_Quality said: Yup, he's been pretty shite for 2 years when not injured and was told to stay away under Caixinha and suspended under Murty for supposedly undermining both in the dressing room. All pretty straightforward really. The two years before his injury includes the season that he was brilliant all be it in the championship. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKnight87 17,286 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 This was such a messed up situation I'm glad it's been resolved now. Miller and Wallace were raging after that pathetic old firm. I still can't decide but if they were angry about the teams performance or just upset that murty took off their pal halliday before half time. Miller is done at ibrox and I fully expect he'll be selling his story soon enough. For me he's been too big for his boots and undermined our last 2 managers. Wallace I can't see him staying either. I personally feel he's past his best and we should look to move him on. What annoys me most about this is a strong manager could have resolved this right away. I really hope murty is done at the club as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKnight87 17,286 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2722095/lee-wallace-kenny-miller-Rangers-bumper-fines-fight-penalties/ Just as I thought it was over. Miller and Wallace are fighting there fines. "it is believed the players’ union are to appeal against the hefty fines." Bears r us 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPWF 8,232 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 5 hours ago, ForeverAndEver said: Rangers have fined club captain Lee Wallace the maximum four weeks' wages after a dressing-room bust-up with former manager Graeme Murty, STV can reveal. Veteran striker Kenny Miller, 38, has also been dealt a financial punishment, which is believed to be less severe. The club took action after Wallace, 30, vented his anger at Murty following the 4-0 Scottish Cup semi-final defeat to celtic in April, with team-mate Miller also heavily critical. The Rangers hierarchy felt that the pair crossed a line and, after talks with managing director Stewart Robertson and human resources staff, both players were suspended on full pay and told to stay away. Imagine that wet flannel Stewart Robertson trying to discipline you. Wee rodent looks like he’d struggle to get the oven to do what he wants, never mind a person. ForeverAndEver 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure_Quality 3,295 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said: The two years before his injury includes the season that he was brilliant all be it in the championship. In the last 24 months when not injured he's been fairly shite. That's indisputable. EDIT: It's not indisputable, but strongly my opinion and when you look at the threads on here it's not an unpopular one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Walter-of-Smith 566 Posted May 31, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2018 Thanks for the memories and all that fluffy sentimental shite but show them the door. If you disagree then you've gone soft. How about we actually start raising our standards and demand much better quality than Lee Wallace and Kenny fucking Miller? Malvern, gsa, LOL153 No Surrender!!! and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, stewaj3 said: How on earth would you know that? How would I know that they’ve been given the equivalent of a final written? Because a fine of four-weeks wages is the largest sanction clubs are allowed to issue - short of terminating a players’ contract. VentyFour 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,482 Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 46 minutes ago, Pure_Quality said: In the last 24 months when not injured he's been fairly shite. That's indisputable. EDIT: It's not indisputable, but strongly my opinion and when you look at the threads on here it's not an unpopular one. He's not been great, I know, but he's better than John. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle 53,584 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 I'd still keep Wallace. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure_Quality 3,295 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 22 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said: He's not been great, I know, but he's better than John. Aye but retiring a shirt because he's better than Declan John is a bit of a stretch, no ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 28 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said: He's not been great, I know, but he's better than John. John has potential and can grow. Wallace is getting a pension soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,482 Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, Malvern said: John has potential and can grow. Wallace is getting a pension soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 minute ago, ForeverAndEver said: Well yeah, potential and can grow go together. I didn't state he WILL grow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,482 Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Malvern said: Well yeah, potential and can grow go together. I didn't state he WILL grow. Was more that it means nothing at this point Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbertzLoyalRSC 18,071 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 2 hours ago, ForeverAndEver said: The two years before his injury includes the season that he was brilliant all be it in the championship. Mate, I usually like your posts, but he has never been brilliant. And if you really see him as a Rangers legend, that is grim. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblueoysterbar 19,622 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Would like to see the club getting their fines donated to a good cause. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
In walter we trust 228 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Wallace and Miller are good Rangers men . Some of the comments are truly embarrassing , 2 week and 4 week fine given is was the important part of the season . Robertson its on you - joke Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblueoysterbar 19,622 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Just now, In walter we trust said: Wallace and Miller are good Rangers men . Some of the comments are truly embarrassing , 2 week and 4 week fine given is was the important part of the season . Robertson its on you - joke Kenny Miller is a good Rangers man? No he isn't. He's been a half-decent Rangers player at times but he's no Rangers man. graeme_4, Bears and siddiqi_drinker 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,482 Posted June 1, 2018 Author Share Posted June 1, 2018 19 minutes ago, AlbertzLoyalRSC said: Mate, I usually like your posts, but he has never been brilliant. And if you really see him as a Rangers legend, that is grim. In the Championship he had a very good season, you canny deny that He is imo. That I can remember, only two are worthy of that, him and Ferguson 3 minutes ago, In walter we trust said: Wallace and Miller are good Rangers men . Some of the comments are truly embarrassing , 2 week and 4 week fine given is was the important part of the season . Robertson its on you - joke Miller isn't Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM1872 3,708 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Miller's time at the club is up. We could go on and on about whether he is a club legend, his contributions to our football, crossing the divide etc but those are discussions for another time. We should be moving on. Wallace, on the other hand, stood by us through our darkest times. Okay, he hasn't been great of late and perhaps never reached his true potential. I don't believe we need to get rid, however, and would say he still has something to offer. He shouldn't continue in his role of captain as I think we need someone stronger, more vocal and commanding as captain. However, I think we should keep him. All of that aside, these two men have been harshly treated by the club. Someone had to speak out after that game - that absolute disgrace of a day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadron Collider 30,881 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Wallace looked at many times the best of a bad lot. We had so much shite playing for us and stealing wages in the last 6 years. FFS! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
72barca 1,788 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Not taking sides, however, the manager is the club's representative in the dressing room and at trackside. Basically, if a player(s) disrespects the manager they are disrespecting the club. The club has to regain control. Irrespective of what happened, and we don't fully know what that is, the club had to take action and they have. Murty was fired before the end of the season and the players were fined. Result is the club has everyone's attention now. Stevie G, 'Let's Go'. richles1872 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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