Is It Time For A New Captain ?

[The Dude 20,026]

1 minute ago, cr3_bear said:

I mean I don’t think his trackie on or off made a difference. Ferguson was a well known face all over Scotland . His going out and not being able to handle his emotions was the daft part but he was still young at the time and everyone has made daft decisions at 20 or whatever age he was at the time 

No arguements there . Since he has hung up his boots Ferguson has done more than enough to ruin his legacy with the fans and I certainly don’t have a lot of time for him . Dosen’t take away from the fact he was a captain who delivered and has a trophy haul to back it up 

Bit of common sense though, no? Just been pumped 6-2 off Celtic. Probably not the night to go out on the piss with your pals (club trackie or not). It's just asking for trouble.

[Loyal72 11,463]

3 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Every Rangers player should have the goal of doing the domestic set. You claimed he would be 'content' with doing it once based, ostensibly, on your dislike of Tavernier.

Who would you replace him with?

His attitude over the years, the things he's said in Matchday programmes, personally for him it'd be nice doing the set, he's getting older etc - I have no dislike for Tav he has been a very good servant for this football club.

But he'd still have the same Rangers career with or without that armband, he hasn't been a leader or a winner, which is what a Rangers captain ultimately should be.

Thank you Tav, but perhaps this rebuild should also come with a new captain, even if he stays.

[G.E.C. 18,863]

4 minutes ago, bluenoz said:

I highly doubt Ferguson & Lennon are pals or socialize.

There is not enough hatred in this team. The mentality is all wrong.

Pretty sure Lennon was over at Fergies when he got his MBE.

[The Dude 20,026]

Just now, Loyal72 said:

His attitude over the years, the things he's said in Matchday programmes, personally for him it'd be nice doing the set, he's getting older etc - I have no dislike for Tav he has been a very good servant for this football club.

But he'd still have the same Rangers career with or without that armband, he hasn't been a leader or a winner, which is what a Rangers captain ultimately should be.

Thank you Tav, but perhaps this rebuild should also come with a new captain, even if he stays.

What's been wrong with his attitude? He's one of the few folk in Scottish football I've never heard anyone have a bad word to say about them.

The matchday programme stuff was totally overblown and there was a fair amount of truth in what he said. Folk got pissed off because they didn't want to hear it.

Who would you replace him with?

[cr3_bear 14,897]

2 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Bit of common sense though, no? Just been pumped 6-2 off Celtic. Probably not the night to go out on the piss with your pals (club trackie or not). It's just asking for trouble.

Yeah which is why I said it was the daft part 

he was young and daft though. He was still only around 20 when he was captain at that stage. Not the only high profile players of us or them to be involved in a drunken scrap . And ultimately on the playing side he went on to deliver after that incident 

[BlueboyG 5,256]

I have watched that fucker Brown stroll around the park full of confidence and geeing up his players at every oppertunity and now plastic face is doing the same, mocking us and taking the piss, we need someone who can get us up for games and rally the players during games, Tav is like a wee lamb compared to they bastards.

[The Dude 20,026]

2 minutes ago, G.E.C. said:

Pretty sure Lennon was over at Fergies when he got his MBE.

"Lenny surprised me once. He had done a video for me getting my MBE.

"He was sitting in my seat in the house, which I don’t like anyone doing. It’s only me who sits in that chair and I’ve got OCD. There was a party in my house and we’re watching this video and he’s sitting there in my seat.

"I’ve also got three cups which I don’t like anyone using so you can imagine what I see next – there he is drinking tea from my favourite cup. I nearly spat my beer out.

"But people don’t know that about him, that he does these things for people.

[Negri's lovechild 14,188]

I think Tav is the least of our problems to be honest.

He isn't a get in your face kind of captain, but i think would rather lead by example. He does make errors, but then the best players we have had do so too.

The issue with mentality runs throughout the squad, and I think if we had a harder mindset throughout we would be in a better place. 

I think with what Tav brings to the table, he'll be missed more than a lot of folk realise. 

[esquire8 43,016]

26 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Ferguson. 'The Battle of Bothwell Bridge'. Silly cunt went out boozing in his club trackie after a 6-2 scudding ending up with a burst face.

Seem to recall only the tarriers calling it that after it appearing in the Record/Sunday Mail......

[The Dude 20,026]

Just now, esquire8 said:

Seem to recall only the tarriers calling it that after it appearing in the Record/Sunday Mail......

Ferguson himself called it that

[Somemightsay7 2,452]

People put far too much importance on the captain.

It wouldn't make a difference.

[Loyal72 11,463]

15 minutes ago, The Dude said:

What's been wrong with his attitude? He's one of the few folk in Scottish football I've never heard anyone have a bad word to say about them.

The matchday programme stuff was totally overblown and there was a fair amount of truth in what he said. Folk got pissed off because they didn't want to hear it.

Who would you replace him with?

I wouldn't know bud, no one in the current squad anyway. Thankfully the club pays people to scout for players.

[The Dude 20,026]

1 minute ago, Loyal72 said:

I wouldn't know bud, no one in the current squad anyway. Thankfully the club pays people to scout for players.

So you don't think it's time to change the captain? Make your mind up man.

What's wrong with Tavernier's attitude?

[BlueSuedeSambas 53,967]

Tav might not be the best captain in the traditional sense of the word, but I don’t think anybody who watches us can say that he hides and/or shrinks personal responsibility.

He always tries to drive the team on, even when we, and he is playing shite. For all his faults, and he has a few, there isn’t another player who has scored more big goals, or dragged us back into games or out of holes than Tav has over the past few years.

[cr3_bear 14,897]

25 minutes ago, The Dude said:

What's been wrong with his attitude? He's one of the few folk in Scottish football I've never heard anyone have a bad word to say about them.

The matchday programme stuff was totally overblown and there was a fair amount of truth in what he said. Folk got pissed off because they didn't want to hear it.

Who would you replace him with?

A genuine question Do you think that’s possibly the problem? 

Again I mentioned earlier that Scotland and Glasgow maybe hasn’t moved on from the attitude of the captains having some sort of character , grit , dig and attitude about them when it’s needed. 

That lot are currently idolising a captain who has based his character on the previous prick Brown who ultimately based his character and role as captain on one of the other previous pricks Lennon. Reason being it’s still winning them trophies 

[The Dude 20,026]

Just now, cr3_bear said:

A genuine question Do you think that’s possibly the problem? 

Again I mentioned earlier that Scotland and Glasgow maybe hasn’t moved on from the attitude of the captains having some sort of character , grit , dig and attitude about them when it’s needed. 

That lot are currently idolising a captain who has based his character on the previous prick Brown who based his character on one of the other previous pricks Lennon. Reason being it’s still winning them trophies 

Not in the slightest. Not sure how his peers seeing him as a consummate pro and fantastic ambassador for the club - and Scottish football in general - has any correlation with us not winning trophies.

[bluenoz 30,974]

7 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Not in the slightest. Not sure how his peers seeing him as a consummate pro and fantastic ambassador for the club - and Scottish football in general - has any correlation with us not winning trophies.

 

There is a big difference between a captain and an ambassador. He is a shite captain and a great ambassador.

[The Dude 20,026]

Just now, bluenoz said:

There is a big difference between a captain and an ambassador. He is a shite captain and a great ambassador.

So what makes a 'captain'?

[cr3_bear 14,897]

13 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Not in the slightest. Not sure how his peers seeing him as a consummate pro and fantastic ambassador for the club - and Scottish football in general - has any correlation with us not winning trophies.

I mean we mocked them for years for showing a similar attitude towards paul Mcstay. Reason being he landed few trophies over a long period with them as captain

[The Dude 20,026]

1 minute ago, cr3_bear said:

I mean we mocked them for years for showing a similar attitude towards paul Mcstay. Reason being he landed few trophies over a long period with them 

That doesn't explain how it could be 'the problem'.

Paul McStay wasn't someone his peers almost universally praised. Many thought/think he's a snide wee cunt (including quite a few on their side)

[MacBoyd 5,500]

Neville on sky always praises Keane for being a level above in terms of win at all costs, maybe tav is too nice compared to their captain and ex captain 

[BlueboyG 5,256]

8 minutes ago, The Dude said:

That doesn't explain how it could be 'the problem'.

Paul McStay wasn't someone his peers almost universally praised. Many thought/think he's a snide wee cunt (including quite a few on their side)

McStay was admired and praised tenfold compared to Tav, he captained Scotland at every age level and was respected throughout the game. Ffs theres no comparison.

[Malkytfp1 18,618]

23 minutes ago, bluenoz said:

There is a big difference between a captain and an ambassador. He is a shite captain and a great ambassador.

What makes him a shite captain?

[The Dude 20,026]

Just now, BlueboyG said:

McStay was admired and praised tenfold compared to Tav, he captained Scotland at every age level and was respected throughout the game. Ffs theres no comparison.

Admired and praised by them. Plenty - including ex-teammates - despise him.

[Davemac 18]

100% not captain material let it be known at start of the season he disagreed with Gio’s ideas was never behind the manager. Seen texts between him and David Graham slagging Gio’s team. Captain rallies the troops not divide he believes he’s better than he is and on the pitch it’s never tavs fault. Amount of time Goldson has covered his arse is frightening. Ego sums him up hall of fame my arse