Losing the first goal

[hammer93 15,057]

Wednesday night was the 14th game out of 37 that we have went behind, only 6 out the 14 have we recovered to take the 3pts, out the other 8 games we have dropped 20pts!!!

Out the other 23 games Hibs away (collum cost us) was the only game we dropped points from taking the lead....it sticks out like a sore thumb that losing the first goal has massively contributed to losing the league, hopefully this gets sorted for the new season as this one problem alone could be a massive difference to winning next year's title.

[mitre_mouldmaster 21,509]

Genuinely think the problem is more that we often dont score the first goal.

Sounds like the same thing, but its subtly different.

[hammer93 15,057]

7 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

Genuinely think the problem is more that we often dont score the first goal.

Sounds like the same thing, but its subtly different.

I was about to ask you if you were being serious then I just heard Guardiola saying "Man United play differently to Inter and Inter play differently to Man United "

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,746]

12 minutes ago, hammer93 said:

Wednesday night was the 14th game out of 37 that we have went behind, only 6 out the 14 have we recovered to take the 3pts, out the other 8 games we have dropped 20pts!!!

Out the other 23 games Hibs away (collum cost us) was the only game we dropped points from taking the lead....it sticks out like a sore thumb that losing the first goal has massively contributed to losing the league, hopefully this gets sorted for the new season as this one problem alone could be a massive difference to winning next year's title.

Would love us to start fast, be more clinical and get the opener, and push on and really hurt teams more than we do. If we can create fear of facing us like the scum have with most of the league, we'll be in a far better place. Not losing the opener so bloody regularly is a crucial part of that. 👍

 

[theiconicman 2,991]

Only 3 goals separate us from them in goals against this year in the league. I think the problem is our front line being weak as fuck not so much the defence.

[hammer93 15,057]

3 minutes ago, theiconicman said:

Only 3 goals separate us from them in goals against this year in the league. I think the problem is our front line being weak as fuck not so much the defence.

They figures are slightly distorted recently as they have lost 9 in the last 3 games since cv has been out....to be fair our injuries in defence earlier in the season contributed heavily on us but it was clearly more evident in europe....I can't wait until we have forwards we can rely on to kill off games

[G.E.C. 18,798]

[.Williamson. 82,371]

We are all aware we are doing a massive rebuild this summer, why even bother worrying about the stats from this season now 

[mitre_mouldmaster 21,509]

32 minutes ago, hammer93 said:

I was about to ask you if you were being serious then I just heard Guardiola saying "Man United play differently to Inter and Inter play differently to Man United "

Haha, nah I was meaning in may of the cases where we have lost the first goal, it feels like we have passed up numerous chances to score first.

'Losing the first goal' tends to put the focus on the defence failing, whereas if you look at it as 'not scoring first' it puts the emphasis on the attack.

[hammer93 15,057]

4 minutes ago, .Williamson. said:

We are all aware we are doing a massive rebuild this summer, why even bother worrying about the stats from this season now 

Totally get that, it's just a barometer to show how significant it was into dropping points which ultimately cost you the league, i just want a different mind set to starting games slowly 

[Stunels 1,248]

its been a theme for 3 seasons - wonder if it could have anything to do with our two fullbacks who cant defend for shit 

[Roy Hobbs 2,176]

5 minutes ago, Stunels said:

its been a theme for 3 seasons - wonder if it could have anything to do with our two fullbacks who cant defend for shit 

3 seasons ago we won the league with a record low goals against.

[Smile 26,610]

Defensively we are not that great and lose too many goals, Beale should have found a way to combat it by now.

We have lost 23 goals in 22 league games since he came in.

 

[Loyal72 11,182]

While I get the frustration, kinda pointless talking about this now. 

This team is going to look very different next season, all we can do right now is guess what happens next season.

But for my two cents, I'd say scoring the first goal is more important, that affects us more the longer we don't.

[Bad Robot 21,176]

1 hour ago, hammer93 said:

Wednesday night was the 14th game out of 37 that we have went behind, only 6 out the 14 have we recovered to take the 3pts, out the other 8 games we have dropped 20pts!!!

Out the other 23 games Hibs away (collum cost us) was the only game we dropped points from taking the lead....it sticks out like a sore thumb that losing the first goal has massively contributed to losing the league, hopefully this gets sorted for the new season as this one problem alone could be a massive difference to winning next year's title.

Do you know what the split is for the 14 is between Gio and MB ?

[Smile 26,610]

1 minute ago, Loyal72 said:

While I get the frustration, kinda pointless talking about this now. 

This team is going to look very different next season, all we can do right now is guess what happens next season.

Depend I guess if we spend on defensive options. 

[Loyal72 11,182]

Just now, Smile said:

Depend I guess if we spend on defensive options. 

I edited my post to include that the longer we don't score the first goal, I think that affects us more than conceding first.

If we were ruthless upfront, we'd not really have any qualms about conceding first now and again.

All guesswork right now tho, cause we don't know what this squad will look like really.

[Dickie 12,905]

A goalie who doesn’t come for cross balls doesn’t help.

[Stunels 1,248]

6 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

3 seasons ago we won the league with a record low goals against.

fat thumbs meant to type 2 (also cant believe 55 was 3 years ago now feels like yesterday)

[hammer93 15,057]

5 minutes ago, Bad Robot said:

Do you know what the split is for the 14 is between Gio and MB ?

6 games under GvB and 8 under Beale if my memory is right 

[Smile 26,610]

5 minutes ago, Loyal72 said:

I edited my post to include that the longer we don't score the first goal, I think that affects us more than conceding first.

If we were ruthless upfront, we'd not really have any qualms about conceding first now and again.

All guesswork right now tho, cause we don't know what this squad will look like really.

Ye our forwards are not good enough since Colak got injured.

[islanderbear84 611]

Hopefully we can make more of a first of it next season.

[OrangeRab 2,764]

1 hour ago, hammer93 said:

Wednesday night was the 14th game out of 37 that we have went behind, only 6 out the 14 have we recovered to take the 3pts, out the other 8 games we have dropped 20pts!!!

Out the other 23 games Hibs away (collum cost us) was the only game we dropped points from taking the lead....it sticks out like a sore thumb that losing the first goal has massively contributed to losing the league, hopefully this gets sorted for the new season as this one problem alone could be a massive difference to winning next year's title.

Interesting thread. Just to add for the comparison. The first 30 and last 15 we are far behind celtic.

First 15 minutes (goals scored/conceded):

They are 19-5 and we are 11-9. 

15-30 minutes they are 13-1 and we are 9-3.

Between 30 and 75 minute periods we are better.

Last 15 they are 28-6 and we are 19-7.

They come out the blocks at 100mph. Then tire. Then have better subs than we do.

We should have better options off the bench next year so would expect that last 15 to get better. As a side, binning this 5 sub rule would benefit us enormously vs them. Would hugely change the way they have to play.

[The Dude 20,026]

7 minutes ago, OrangeRab said:

Interesting thread. Just to add for the comparison. The first 30 and last 15 we are far behind celtic.

First 15 minutes (goals scored/conceded):

They are 19-5 and we are 11-9. 

15-30 minutes they are 13-1 and we are 9-3.

Between 30 and 75 minute periods we are better.

Last 15 they are 28-6 and we are 19-7.

They come out the blocks at 100mph. Then tire. Then have better subs than we do.

We should have better options off the bench next year so would expect that last 15 to get better. As a side, binning this 5 sub rule would benefit us enormously vs them. Would hugely change the way they have to play.

[The Beast 9,226]

1 hour ago, theiconicman said:

Only 3 goals separate us from them in goals against this year in the league. I think the problem is our front line being weak as fuck not so much the defence.

Nail on the head. 

Morelos, Sakala and Colak scored 34 between them this season. In comparison Furuhashi has 25. Even Shankland has 24 as does Van Veen.

Our strikers have been rank rotten this season.