Our wage bill

[RangersMedia 35,961]

 

68th highest spending team in Europe. Higher than PSV, Union Berlin, numerous other La Liga / Bundesliga / Serie A teams. 

Why aren't we getting value for money?

[SkylineBlue 23,372]

4 minutes ago, psb07158 said:

 

68th highest spending team in Europe. Higher than PSV, Union Berlin, numerous other La Liga / Bundesliga / Serie A teams. 

Why aren't we getting value for money?

Because the wrong people have been running the club at every level.

[MillerTimeDavie 123]

Rip it up and start again.

That's what will happen next Summer, if we can afford it because this squad is mince

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, MillerTimeDavie said:

Rip it up and start again.

That's what will happen next Summer, if we can afford it because this squad is mince

Can't keep ripping it up, because we don't have the one-off cash injections to fund the transfer fees unless we sell assets first - but in the squad right now, I'm not sure I see much value. 

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,552]

7 minutes ago, psb07158 said:

 

68th highest spending team in Europe. Higher than PSV, Union Berlin, numerous other La Liga / Bundesliga / Serie A teams. 

Why aren't we getting value for money?

Not to excuse the piss poor signings, but to convince any player outwith scotland to come here probably takes a lot more wages than it does to convince them to play in holland

Weather, location, standard of opposition, rest of Europe perception of league etc

Put it this way, if us and PSV both chased the same out of contract player, and offered the exact same terms, right down to the penny in bonuses etc, 99 times out of 100 the player will choose psv

[MillerTimeDavie 123]

Just now, psb07158 said:

Can't keep ripping it up, because we don't have the one-off cash injections to fund the transfer fees unless we sell assets first - but in the squad right now, I'm not sure I see much value. 

Yes I don't see many teams lining up to sign Lammers, Dessers, Sterling etc

[Clemdog 39,389]

Finally get rid of Wilson after years of poor signings, to then hand a monumental amount of money to an inexperienced Manager.

We did the same with Pedro.

If you're going to gift millions to a Manager, at least know you've invested in a winner.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

Not to excuse the piss poor signings, but to convince any player outwith scotland to come here probably takes a lot more wages than it does to convince them to play in holland

Weather, location, standard of opposition, rest of Europe perception of league etc

Put it this way, if us and PSV both chased the same out of contract player, and offered the exact same terms, right down to the penny in bonuses etc, 99 times out of 100 the player will choose psv

Clearly, on the basis of tonight though, we aren't going after the same players. We're totally overpaying mediocre players who wouldn't get games at our "rival" teams anyway. 

[CR3 12,690]

Danilo not being the main striker with the 6 million pound outlay and not starting against Ross County there is a bit of a shocker, while I’d probably have Roofe play Sunday. Clearly not settled in well yet? @GabrielTomato @psb07158

[docspiderman 1,228]

PSV paid 27 million euros for 2 players. The Dutch tv money  is 6 times more than that for SPFL. Loan players from Barca and Bayern. However, they recruit so much better with a type and style in mind to suit their system while we seem to recruit from a narrow field every season, Belgian league last year Dutch this tear with no seeming strategy in mind.

 

[6superbarry6 14,159]

7 minutes ago, psb07158 said:

Can't keep ripping it up, because we don't have the one-off cash injections to fund the transfer fees unless we sell assets first - but in the squad right now, I'm not sure I see much value. 

I’m hanging fire on some of the players until they play under a competent manager tbh. 

[Somemightsay7 2,408]

We have about 30 first team players.

We were told last season our squad was too big and we had to reduce it. Our squads bigger now than it was at the end of last season.

[mitre_mouldmaster 21,509]

3 minutes ago, psb07158 said:

Clearly, on the basis of tonight though, we aren't going after the same players. We're totally overpaying mediocre players who wouldn't get games at our "rival" teams anyway. 

We tried to get Veerman, he knocked us back for PSV, we got Raskin.

Last year we wanted Xavi Simons, he choose PSV.

Last year we had Tillman, we wanted him again, he didnt want to come back and went to PSV instead.

They are just clearly a step up the ladder from us in terms of attractiveness to play for.

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,552]

1 minute ago, psb07158 said:

Clearly, on the basis of tonight though, we aren't going after the same players. We're totally overpaying mediocre players who wouldn't get games at our "rival" teams anyway. 

Not the point though, 

Any player coming here from outwith scotland that's in a decent league (and not the arse end of a country's football tier) will need a decent wedge to come here

PSV can sign players on lesser wages than we do because holland is a better place to be in, better league to play in, is much more respected by international managers and has proven to be a successful pathway to top leagues for players

We can go on about how we are a big club, big history, the name Rangers is known across the world, but unless you are a fan, absolutely no player gives a fuck about that when they know its scotland they'll be playing in and staying in

Anothee example 2 players, totally identical in ability and position, literallt exactly the same player

We go for one and PSV go for the other, bet you a fiver it costs us more wages to convince our guy to sign for us than PSV have to fork out

[bluenoz 30,848]

When you have a summer window of Davies, Matondo and Yilmaz, what do you expect? Three players on around 80k a week. Wilson was a problem.

Matondo has improved, but not worth his wages.

How much did we pay for Danilo not to play him?

[SIRB_72 4,000]

14 minutes ago, psb07158 said:

 

68th highest spending team in Europe. Higher than PSV, Union Berlin, numerous other La Liga / Bundesliga / Serie A teams. 

Why aren't we getting value for money?

Dont want to tarnish all the new players yet (still think its early) but in general and for years we aren't looking in the right places and, maybe most importantly, we aren't developing our own. 

PSV tonight had 3 of their own in the starting line up, 2 who featured from the bench and 1 who was unused sub that did feature last week. We had 4 of our own there to make up numbers on the bench. Talented players who are home grown and typically cost less.

[Worlds_Most_Successful_Team 70]

3 minutes ago, SIRB_72 said:

Dont want to tarnish all the new players yet (still think its early) but in general and for years we aren't looking in the right places and, maybe most importantly, we aren't developing our own. 

PSV tonight had 3 of their own in the starting line up, 2 who featured from the bench and 1 who was unused sub that did feature last week. We had 4 of our own there to make up numbers on the bench. Talented players who are home grown and typically cost less.

 

We lose these sort of players that could step up to England. Sure Brexit means signing young talent from teams like us is infinitely easier than if they were to go to teams in Europe. Our youth setup that feeds in is basically the scraps the other teams dont want. 

[SIRB_72 4,000]

7 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

We tried to get Veerman, he knocked us back for PSV, we got Raskin.

Last year we wanted Xavi Simons, he choose PSV.

Last year we had Tillman, we wanted him again, he didnt want to come back and went to PSV instead.

They are just clearly a step up the ladder from us in terms of attractiveness to play for.

And the Dutch teams results in Europe show it. Looking to 2/3 years in the future they will overtake France in the coefficient.

[ForeverAndEver 71,511]

13 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

We tried to get Veerman, he knocked us back for PSV, we got Raskin.

Last year we wanted Xavi Simons, he choose PSV.

Last year we had Tillman, we wanted him again, he didnt want to come back and went to PSV instead.

They are just clearly a step up the ladder from us in terms of attractiveness to play for.

And if you listen to certainly people we weren’t interested in Veerman.

Did we ever offer Simons’ a contract?

[OrangeRab 2,745]

11 minutes ago, docspiderman said:

PSV paid 27 million euros for 2 players. The Dutch tv money  is 6 times more than that for SPFL. Loan players from Barca and Bayern. However, they recruit so much better with a type and style in mind to suit their system while we seem to recruit from a narrow field every season, Belgian league last year Dutch this tear with no seeming strategy in mind.

 

Isn’t that mostly funded with player sales though?

They’ve brought in over 100 million in player sales the last 2 windows.

Like Ajax they have a better scouting network and sign good young talent.

 

[mitre_mouldmaster 21,509]

Just now, ForeverAndEver said:

And if you listen to certainly people we weren’t interested in Veerman.

Did we ever offer Simon’s a contract?

We were clearly in for Veerman. Im sure any noise otherwise is just to mask that we failed to get him.

I doubt that we got very far in the pursuit of Simons, almost certainly not to offering a contract as he probably laughed at the idea of coming to us. 

[mitre_mouldmaster 21,509]

2 minutes ago, OrangeRab said:

Isn’t that mostly funded with player sales though?

They’ve brought in over 100 million in player sales the last 2 windows.

Like Ajax they have a better scouting network and sign good young talent.

 

Scottish TV deal is £30m a season, think the Dutch one is €200m a season.

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,552]

1 minute ago, OrangeRab said:

Isn’t that mostly funded with player sales though?

They’ve brought in over 100 million in player sales the last 2 windows.

Like Ajax they have a better scouting network and sign good young talent.

 

Again its easy to sign the good young talent simply because scottish football is seen as a neanderthal backwater shithole of a setup 

Our scouts could be the best scouts in the world, but any player with potential for being sold at 8 figures is going to choose holland over scotland every single time

[SIRB_72 4,000]

8 minutes ago, Worlds_Most_Successful_Team said:

 

We lose these sort of players that could step up to England. Sure Brexit means signing young talent from teams like us is infinitely easier than if they were to go to teams in Europe. 

Thing is they know they wont get a game here either though. There is no path to first team football unlike PSV who give players debuts at 17/18 and slowly build up their games then sell them for mad money.

[SkylineBlue 23,372]

4 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

Scottish TV deal is £30m a season, think the Dutch one is €200m a season.

Scottish football is run just as poorly as we are.