Laudrupsleftfoot 11,355 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 13 minutes ago, Valance1690 said: If you actually read about Clements time at Monaco, his setup here is very similar, they started well & eventually got figured out, they sacked him after 1 win in 7 when he refused to change his ways. He relies on fullbacks to be the ones to take the ball from the back, he plays with 2 in midfield and a #10 & his teams go long out to the wings and look for 2nd balls then rely on lots of crosses. All of that is what we've seen when he's been here so he isn't changing anything, even with his own players. Hate that approach to football, fuck sake. Valance1690 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacBoyd 5,640 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 15 minutes ago, Valance1690 said: If you actually read about Clements time at Monaco, his setup here is very similar, they started well & eventually got figured out, they sacked him after 1 win in 7 when he refused to change his ways. He relies on fullbacks to be the ones to take the ball from the back, he plays with 2 in midfield and a #10 & his teams go long out to the wings and look for 2nd balls then rely on lots of crosses. All of that is what we've seen when he's been here so he isn't changing anything, even with his own players. Not a good fit for such a big club in our diddy league if that's true Valance1690 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finny 5,638 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 1 hour ago, 6superbarry6 said: After yet again losing the midfield battle is it time to sacrifice our no 10 for a sitter in front of the back 4? even against the dross in the league teams are waltzing right through our midfield, the time and space O Reilly and McGregor we’re getting on the edge of our box was a shambles, I’d be looking at playing Sterling in front of the back 4 and removing Lawrence/Cantwell from the team we get nowhere near enough from either of them anyway. Is that not the scouse prick is meant to do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valance1690 3,947 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 12 minutes ago, MacBoyd said: Not a good fit for such a big club in our diddy league if that's true Thats me summarising very very briefly tbh, there's articles out there with pages and pages of diagrams about how he played at Monaco, proper in depth shit The team he had at Monaco had some right good players in it aswell so wasn't a lack of quality OrangeRab and MacBoyd 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 54,293 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 1 hour ago, STEPPS BOY said: Midfields win games. Offensively they are supposed to help. yesterdays starting midfield have 4 goals between them in the SPL. Defensively they are there to help. How many times have we watched teams have clear runs or shots at us. Going with the same midfield yesterday that was completely over-run at Ibrox in first half was absolutely insane. Allowing Lawrence to start second half in a midfield 2 was just mind boggling. All predictable to us fans yet it was allowed to play out with the obvious outcome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 54,293 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 50 minutes ago, Valance1690 said: If you actually read about Clements time at Monaco, his setup here is very similar, they started well & eventually got figured out, they sacked him after 1 win in 7 when he refused to change his ways. He relies on fullbacks to be the ones to take the ball from the back, he plays with 2 in midfield and a #10 & his teams go long out to the wings and look for 2nd balls then rely on lots of crosses. All of that is what we've seen when he's been here so he isn't changing anything, even with his own players. If plan A doesn't work revert to plan A. Wonderful. Valance1690 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NixonRFC 1,452 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 1 hour ago, Valance1690 said: If you actually read about Clements time at Monaco, his setup here is very similar, they started well & eventually got figured out, they sacked him after 1 win in 7 when he refused to change his ways. He relies on fullbacks to be the ones to take the ball from the back, he plays with 2 in midfield and a #10 & his teams go long out to the wings and look for 2nd balls then rely on lots of crosses. All of that is what we've seen when he's been here so he isn't changing anything, even with his own players. Right, thats the negative side of it, I get that, but I'd level that out by saying the standard of opposition he faced would've been much higher in France, what about in Belgium, surely with how successful he was in Belgium, those tactics must've worked, I'd say we're closer to the Belgian league, in terms of overall quality than we are to Ligue 1, so would it not be encouraging that his style clearly worked there? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausagetrunks 6,102 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Nope a personnel change Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelfastWillie 1,247 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 23 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: If plan A doesn't work revert to plan A. Wonderful. A familiar story with recent Rangers managers SeparateEntityMyArse 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 31,283 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 We don't have any decent wingers therefore we should have reverted to a 4-4-2 ages ago. Gascoigne8 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valance1690 3,947 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 36 minutes ago, NixonRFC said: Right, thats the negative side of it, I get that, but I'd level that out by saying the standard of opposition he faced would've been much higher in France, what about in Belgium, surely with how successful he was in Belgium, those tactics must've worked, I'd say we're closer to the Belgian league, in terms of overall quality than we are to Ligue 1, so would it not be encouraging that his style clearly worked there? Its encouraging a bit that his style worked but the issue is that when it stops working, he doesn't seem to be wiling to change it, its plan A or do plan A better, there's really no compromise. We all knew yesterday that if he setup with 2 in midfield we'd get overrun, if we can see that as fans sitting behind the screen then surely he must've known it. Instead he actually doubled down on it and started Lawrence as a 10, making it even worse than we expected! BlueAvenger and ramases 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramases 18 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 12 minutes ago, Valance1690 said: Its encouraging a bit that his style worked but the issue is that when it stops working, he doesn't seem to be wiling to change it, its plan A or do plan A better, there's really no compromise. We all knew yesterday that if he setup with 2 in midfield we'd get overrun, if we can see that as fans sitting behind the screen then surely he must've known it. Instead he actually doubled down on it and started Lawrence as a 10, making it even worse than we expected! It was chronic, the amount of space McGregor had was unbelievable.He was making 30 yard runs unopposed and even had good shots on goal at the end of them. BlueAvenger 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKnight87 17,441 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 1 hour ago, sausagetrunks said: Nope a personnel change For next season absolutely. But if we're going to have a chance at winning the SC we need to change somehow. Current setup will just get the same result against the tarriers. We need to match them in midfield instead of going with 2 CM and a 10. Sterling Diomande Raskin That 3 will have the legs at least to cover ground and close the tarriers down. The amount of space they got yesterday was disgraceful. 6superbarry6 and SeparateEntityMyArse 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valance1690 3,947 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 16 minutes ago, ramases said: It was chronic, the amount of space McGregor had was unbelievable.He was making 30 yard runs unopposed and even had good shots on goal at the end of them. Lawrence was on McGregor and it forced the ball to the other 2 who were marked by Diomande/Lundstram Lawrence was then blowing out his arse after 20 and they changed it up, started letting Vickers and Scales come out with the ball, Lawrence either got dragged to them and let McGregor have the whole middle to himself or we just let Scales fucking run 50/60 yards himself, happened time and time again. They react during games, we just so 1 dimensional Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ger4life_1872 29,819 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 We needed to change to see this season out , then when he had his own players we can play his system STEPPS BOY 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarzM 1,260 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 I've said this before. Injuries permitting, we should have switched to the Man City formation. Butland Sterling, Soutter, Balogun Diomande, Raskin (not Lundstram) Tav, Cantwell, Lawrence, Matondo Dessers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Archer 1,211 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 4-4-2 Tav, Balogun,Davies, Ridvan Raskin Sterling sima Matondo Dessers Silva Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffbear 4,104 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 We lost the midfield early doors yesterday so we need 3 in there. 6superbarry6 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanjo 26,394 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 No we need a mentality change in the boardroom. And fast. VanVeenRangers, The Archer and Redmond7 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaka 1,721 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 I'd prefer to see a 3 man midfield with players who are able to move the ball quickly and get back into position quickly if they lose it. Too many times we would see one of our midfielders or forwards lose the ball and just let their man go for someone else to deal with. So many overloads happened because of this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanVeenRangers 2,566 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 I would love to play 2 up front, especially in Scotland Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
left winger 14,635 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 4 hours ago, WilliamMunny said: Massive rebuild required Proper leaders need brought in Serial losers need to go Most important bit. Proper leaders in our team, but with the exact same level of players - we’d have won the league this season. WilliamMunny and 6superbarry6 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 14,699 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 4 hours ago, WilliamMunny said: Massive rebuild required Proper leaders need brought in Serial losers need to go Just like every season then? Rinse and repeat Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supercooper75 1 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 You don’t need to be Pep to work out what’s needed. Walter did it season after season. Hand pick the best tried and tested players from other Scottish clubs to win the Scottish premiership. Preferably Scottish lads who know what it means to play for us. Unfortunately the majority of our supporters don’t want this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart1994 4,419 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 One thing I’ve noticed about us and not just under Clement is our lack of movement off the ball. The amount of times someone’s got the ball and there’s no options is frightening. Boybluesy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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