Popular Post Gman36 3,456 Posted September 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2023 Butland in goal looks good, so he's not a concern That back line has finally declined, and we ought to have been on top of that last season and seen that we'd need to make changes. The barasic, goldson, Tav (and +1 CB) are now all on average too old and slowed enough we're getting caught out. Tav in particular pace has declined dramatically. I don't think he's done as player, but I think the Captain Tav of old practically winning games single handed has gone now. And the problem is going to be, he's never been the best defensively, what are we left with now the pace has gone? Souttar I'm absolutely no fan of, could be a squad player that barely plays at best. We're not winning the league with him in the starting 11. I might be wrong, but I think Beale's made signings on the basis of barasic and tav being the maverick wing backs they've been for a number of years now. But that's absolutely ridiculous, we could all see Barasic was out of gas all last season, and Tav was very clearly starting to decline the second half of last season. We could all see it, what the fuck were they thinking?!! Astonishingly bad squad management. Midfield is mostly empty shirts. Cantwell is a good player and worthy of a better squad than he's around just now. Raskin flatters to deceive. Jack's done. The forward line looks pitiful, and arguably the biggest concern of the lot. We've spent a relative fortune and look way worse than we did last season. Dessers is a donkey, Lammers powderpuff, danilo looks to be £6 million blown, which is utterly horrific. Overall we're far too slow with a back line that lacks mobility, a relatively weak Midfield, and a forward line we've spent money on to get a crew of journeymen who have little end product and can't seem to score. We've no prospects. Who are we bringing through who might kick on for us to make a profit on? Cantwell maybe, raskin possible... Matondo if we're lucky? That's about it. Deeply worrying for us, this is the sort of position it could take two or three years to fix. Certainly we don't have the finances to turn this around quickly. The No.9, HG5, DiamondDan and 3 others 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KyleBJK 890 Posted September 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2023 Depressingly, we are worse than last season and that’s some going. jintybear, HG5, PromDeAnglais and 10 others 13 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer93 15,126 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Tavernier is fast becoming a liability, 3 times in the opening 4 minutes of the second half he gave the ball away needlessly, can't defend a fuck barely puts any quality into the box and is slow as a week in the jail.....what's depressing is that he still has 4 goals so far so it's almost as if that outweighs his deficiencies....not anymore he is done HG5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Godfather 72,650 Posted September 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2023 For me the players are being asked to play ridiculous roles. Cantwell out wide, Raskin in no man's land and Jack popping up on the left countless times today. It's just a mess. jintybear, KyleBJK, cascadeshrimp and 7 others 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledWeegie123 1,275 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Keep Cantwell Raskin Lawrence Danilo Roofe Butland Sterling Cifuentes DowellGet rid of the rest including Beale and his backroom team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted September 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2023 New manager in and give the players a clean slate. There is more talent in that squad than we are seeing. Albeartzzz, Albion, lidorfc and 6 others 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ross-Gazza genius 1,930 Posted September 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2023 Tillman, Sakala, Morelos and Kent are miles better than Sima, Lammers, Danilo and Dessers Gman36, mitre_mouldmaster, OrangeRab and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeRab 3,031 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Midfield is the biggest problem for me. Has been for a few seasons now. No creativity. No dynamism. No control of the game. No good link up play. No attacking threat. If we don’t throw Tav and Barasic forward we offer no attacking threat. Jack and Lundstrum are Hearts/Hibs level. We must be incredibly easy to defend against when we have 0 good ball playing midfielders. HG5 and WWTC 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benidormbear 19 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Gman36 said: Butland in goal looks good, so he's not a concern That back line has finally declined, and we ought to have been on top of that last season and seen that we'd need to make changes. The barasic, goldson, Tav (and +1 CB) are now all on average too old and slowed enough we're getting caught out. Tav in particular pace has declined dramatically. I don't think he's done as player, but I think the Captain Tav of old practically winning games single handed has gone now. And the problem is going to be, he's never been the best defensively, what are we left with now the pace has gone? Souttar I'm absolutely no fan of, could be a squad player that barely plays at best. We're not winning the league with him in the starting 11. I might be wrong, but I think Beale's made signings on the basis of barasic and tav being the maverick wing backs they've been for a number of years now. But that's absolutely ridiculous, we could all see Barasic was out of gas all last season, and Tav was very clearly starting to decline the second half of last season. We could all see it, what the fuck were they thinking?!! Astonishingly bad squad management. Midfield is mostly empty shirts. Cantwell is a good player and worthy of a better squad than he's around just now. Raskin flatters to deceive. Jack's done. The forward line looks pitiful, and arguably the biggest concern of the lot. We've spent a relative fortune and look way worse than we did last season. Dessers is a donkey, Lammers powderpuff, danilo looks to be £6 million blown, which is utterly horrific. Overall we're far too slow with a back line that lacks mobility, a relatively weak Midfield, and a forward line we've spent money on to get a crew of journeymen who have little end product and can't seem to score. We've no prospects. Who are we bringing through who might kick on for us to make a profit on? Cantwell maybe, raskin possible... Matondo if we're lucky? That's about it. Deeply worrying for us, this is the sort of position it could take two or three years to fix. Certainly we don't have the finances to turn this around quickly. The problem is not the players that you have pointed out, it is the youth coach masquerading as a manager. Tav and Golson are our liabilities. 2 hours ago, Gman36 said: Butland in goal looks good, so he's not a concern That back line has finally declined, and we ought to have been on top of that last season and seen that we'd need to make changes. The barasic, goldson, Tav (and +1 CB) are now all on average too old and slowed enough we're getting caught out. Tav in particular pace has declined dramatically. I don't think he's done as player, but I think the Captain Tav of old practically winning games single handed has gone now. And the problem is going to be, he's never been the best defensively, what are we left with now the pace has gone? Souttar I'm absolutely no fan of, could be a squad player that barely plays at best. We're not winning the league with him in the starting 11. I might be wrong, but I think Beale's made signings on the basis of barasic and tav being the maverick wing backs they've been for a number of years now. But that's absolutely ridiculous, we could all see Barasic was out of gas all last season, and Tav was very clearly starting to decline the second half of last season. We could all see it, what the fuck were they thinking?!! Astonishingly bad squad management. Midfield is mostly empty shirts. Cantwell is a good player and worthy of a better squad than he's around just now. Raskin flatters to deceive. Jack's done. The forward line looks pitiful, and arguably the biggest concern of the lot. We've spent a relative fortune and look way worse than we did last season. Dessers is a donkey, Lammers powderpuff, danilo looks to be £6 million blown, which is utterly horrific. Overall we're far too slow with a back line that lacks mobility, a relatively weak Midfield, and a forward line we've spent money on to get a crew of journeymen who have little end product and can't seem to score. We've no prospects. Who are we bringing through who might kick on for us to make a profit on? Cantwell maybe, raskin possible... Matondo if we're lucky? That's about it. Deeply worrying for us, this is the sort of position it could take two or three years to fix. Certainly we don't have the finances to turn this around quickly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueAvenger 10,503 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 With the new signings we are fuckin worse than last season HG5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BouncyBluenose87 1,566 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Gman36 said: Butland in goal looks good, so he's not a concern That back line has finally declined, and we ought to have been on top of that last season and seen that we'd need to make changes. The barasic, goldson, Tav (and +1 CB) are now all on average too old and slowed enough we're getting caught out. Tav in particular pace has declined dramatically. I don't think he's done as player, but I think the Captain Tav of old practically winning games single handed has gone now. And the problem is going to be, he's never been the best defensively, what are we left with now the pace has gone? Souttar I'm absolutely no fan of, could be a squad player that barely plays at best. We're not winning the league with him in the starting 11. I might be wrong, but I think Beale's made signings on the basis of barasic and tav being the maverick wing backs they've been for a number of years now. But that's absolutely ridiculous, we could all see Barasic was out of gas all last season, and Tav was very clearly starting to decline the second half of last season. We could all see it, what the fuck were they thinking?!! Astonishingly bad squad management. Midfield is mostly empty shirts. Cantwell is a good player and worthy of a better squad than he's around just now. Raskin flatters to deceive. Jack's done. The forward line looks pitiful, and arguably the biggest concern of the lot. We've spent a relative fortune and look way worse than we did last season. Dessers is a donkey, Lammers powderpuff, danilo looks to be £6 million blown, which is utterly horrific. Overall we're far too slow with a back line that lacks mobility, a relatively weak Midfield, and a forward line we've spent money on to get a crew of journeymen who have little end product and can't seem to score. We've no prospects. Who are we bringing through who might kick on for us to make a profit on? Cantwell maybe, raskin possible... Matondo if we're lucky? That's about it. Deeply worrying for us, this is the sort of position it could take two or three years to fix. Certainly we don't have the finances to turn this around quickly. Well said. As depressing as it is, I found myself agreeing with most of what you’ve wrote there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA1972 9,839 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 This is why we needed a clean slate and a fresh face after Gio Too many responsible for past failures still making up the ‘spine’ (not that there is one) of the team HG5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk and disorderly. 14,677 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 2 hours ago, KyleBJK said: Depressingly, we are worse than last season and that’s some going. Signed 9 players. Promised exciting attacking football. Where is it? If anything we give the opposition more respect. Cowardly at times. We have been gaslit by a cocky Cockney. KyleBJK, BlueAvenger and HG5 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk and disorderly. 14,677 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, GA1972 said: This is why we needed a clean slate and a fresh face after Gio Too many responsible for past failures still making up the ‘spine’ (not that there is one) of the team Beale signed 9 new players. How many started today? 2 or 3? His failure. GA1972 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Badger 8,835 Posted September 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2023 Players either Don't have the ability to do what Beale is asking, Are not getting the message in what Beale is asking, Are acting out what Beale is asking - but it doesn't work. I think elements of all 3 are probably true. Concerning that our attacking options look utter toothless. BlueKnight87, graeme_4, BridgeIsBlue and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nik2402 1,385 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 I genuinely think the lack of tactics and system doesn’t suit any of our players. So it’s impossible to judge. Would genuinely ask what player our tactics favour? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueAvenger 10,503 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 I just think the players are fuckin awful Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunglasses Ron 2,545 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 18 minutes ago, Badger said: Players either Don't have the ability to do what Beale is asking, Are not getting the message in what Beale is asking, Are acting out what Beale is asking - but it doesn't work. I think elements of all 3 are probably true. Concerning that our attacking options look utter toothless. Last option is my bet. These players must be better than the garbage we saw today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWTC 2,250 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 2 hours ago, OrangeRab said: Midfield is the biggest problem for me. Has been for a few seasons now. No creativity. No dynamism. No control of the game. No good link up play. No attacking threat. If we don’t throw Tav and Barasic forward we offer no attacking threat. Jack and Lundstrum are Hearts/Hibs level. We must be incredibly easy to defend against when we have 0 good ball playing midfielders. This. I realise few players are excluded from criticism just now, but for me Raskin has been absolutely garbage since the start of the season. Lundstram should feel hard done by being dropped today as he’s probably been our best midfielder recently. HG5 and OrangeRab 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKnight87 17,438 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Butland the best signing so far which tells its own story. The backline has been left the same as last season. Not good enough then and not good enough now. Our midfield still lacks creativity. Then the forward line. Millions on 3 new players who beale rated so much he dropped 2 for vital games. The kind of money we've spent you should be getting strikers that hit the ground running. It didn't take Colak long to hit goals and he wasn't deemed good enough. The No.9, HG5 and bluenoz 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 31,277 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 If you are going to have 9 new signings, basically a clean slate, then a new captain should have happened as well. I know, it's a broken record, but it's true. The back four needs changed, yet we addressed it with two free signings in Balogun & Sterling whilst spending £6M on a player we have hardly used. That's a big concern for me. BlueKnight87 and HG5 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappa6995 3,686 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Sunglasses Ron said: Last option is my bet. These players must be better than the garbage we saw today. Well their stats before signing didn't make for exciting reading, maybe just maybe they are poor players. HG5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboBearToo 403 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 The squad we have, is the squad until Jan, unless we get some guys who are free agents. So if we can't change the squad, our only option is to change the person managing the squad. Not exactly rocket science HG5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmcf 34,647 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 I'm not seeing why Dessers starts every game . HG5 and Hadron Collider 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberfeldyBlue 1,657 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Is Fashion worse than Dessers, Danilo, Dowell or Lammers? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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