The Joey Barton Thread

[ForeverAndEver 71,618]

8 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

Hughes was a well known bully, hated by most he managed and nothing a good square go couldn't sort. If my boss tried to go to the bully, there wouldn't be a second opportunity. 

Bottom line, Warburton can neither take criticism nor pressure and it's showing.

You don't know that he can't take criticism though?

[Turnberry18 3,204]

10 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

Hughes was a well known bully, hated by most he managed and nothing a good square go couldn't sort. If my boss tried to go to the bully, there wouldn't be a second opportunity. 

Bottom line, Warburton can neither take criticism nor pressure and it's showing.

And yet has survived in two of the most high yield industries in society, remarkable. He gave up a career in the Markets and learned from the very basics starting at Watford. You must know him very well to speak with such authority when the evidence points the other way about the character of the man.

[Johnny Dangerously 7,562]

36 minutes ago, Ace said:

Interesting story from Joey when he was managed by Mark Hughes, had a blow up with him, followed him into his managers room, looked the door and offered to fight him there & then.

Does give you an insight into Joey's mindset when faced with authority figures.

I'd have thought Hughes would batter him though.

[murzo 7,447]

Graham Roberts, Jan Bartrum,  Rino Gattuso are names that spring to mind that had a go at the manager and didn't survive. So was Souness wrong, managers have to lay down the law and can't be undermined without consequences. 

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If Warburton had allowed Barton back I bet people who are on here every day looking to criticise him at every turn would be claiming that he is a weak manager with no backbone because "he let a player off" and going on about how "player power can't win out, the manager has to set an example" but because Warburton has stood up to him and told him to get to fuck this somehow shows he's a weak manager because "he can't handle criticism and pressure"  

Warburton was literally in a no win situation here because the people who have turned on him have already made their minds up about him and they will spend the rest of the time he's in the job here spinning stories whichever way it most helps them justify or push their opinions.

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22 minutes ago, DBBTB said:

If Warburton had allowed Barton back I bet people who are on here every day looking to criticise him at every turn would be claiming that he is a weak manager with no backbone because "he let a player off" and going on about how "player power can't win out, the manager has to set an example" but because Warburton has stood up to him and told him to get to fuck this somehow shows he's a weak manager because "he can't handle criticism and pressure"  

Warburton was literally in a no win situation here because the people who have turned on him have already made their minds up about him and they will spend the rest of the times he's in the job here spinning stories whichever way it most helps them justify or push their opinions.

It really is as simple as he was appointed by King. 

[Turnberry18 3,204]

33 minutes ago, DBBTB said:

If Warburton had allowed Barton back I bet people who are on here every day looking to criticise him at every turn would be claiming that he is a weak manager with no backbone because "he let a player off" and going on about how "player power can't win out, the manager has to set an example" but because Warburton has stood up to him and told him to get to fuck this somehow shows he's a weak manager because "he can't handle criticism and pressure"  

Warburton was literally in a no win situation here because the people who have turned on him have already made their minds up about him and they will spend the rest of the times he's in the job here spinning stories whichever way it most helps them justify or push their opinions.

You think?!

[AlCapone 7,678]

1 hour ago, TheLoudenTavernier said:

To be fair we don't know that it was the club's decision to release him.

It was looking like we were quite happy to leave him training with the kids until at least January. The fact he is reportedly accepting 8 weeks wages as a "pay off" when he could have held us to ransom for a much larger figure, bearing in mind he signed a 2 year deal, could suggest that it was actually his decision and it was him that had his representatives approach the club after the way he was apparently treated at the training ground last week.

Just a thought.

There's little chance tha he accepted 8 weeks pay off

[Ace 3,556]

51 minutes ago, Johnny Dangerously said:

I'd have thought Hughes would batter him though.

Apparently Hughes said he couldn't as he was a manager now

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2 hours ago, murzo said:

Graham Roberts, Jan Bartrum,  Rino Gattuso are names that spring to mind that had a go at the manager and didn't survive. So was Souness wrong, managers have to lay down the law and can't be undermined without consequences. 

Rino Gattuso, aye that wee hothead turned out shite

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45 minutes ago, sugar_free_pizza said:

Rino Gattuso, aye that wee hothead turned out shite

Watched a young boy put in a tackle on him then react a little, Gattuso, in full view of the ref, gave him one of they Italian slaps as if to say "back in your place ya wee dick" and the ref just carried on as if nothing happened must be a cultural thing, and I dare say the young lad took a decent lesson from that encounter. Gattuso was a champions league and world cup winner at this point if I remember correctly. 

Never seen anything like it

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7 hours ago, DBBTB said:

If Warburton had allowed Barton back I bet people who are on here every day looking to criticise him at every turn would be claiming that he is a weak manager with no backbone because "he let a player off" and going on about how "player power can't win out, the manager has to set an example" but because Warburton has stood up to him and told him to get to fuck this somehow shows he's a weak manager because "he can't handle criticism and pressure"  

Warburton was literally in a no win situation here because the people who have turned on him have already made their minds up about him and they will spend the rest of the times he's in the job here spinning stories whichever way it most helps them justify or push their opinions.

 

[wully 47,668]

What month do we think he'll be in the Club calendar?

[Barbarrosa 124]

As I see it MW knew what he was getting and tried to cut Barton some slack.

However he appears to have underestimated what a grade A c*nt he was dealing with and the more Barton got away with the more he tried to get away with.

By the time MW put his foot down the relationship had broken down beyond repair.

As for who I think is most to blame. Well MW is still here Barton isn't.

[jackrfc95 4,255]

8 games

189 pages on Rangers Media

2 suspensions

44 bets

1 coffee machine

Joey, its been a blast

[loyalfollower 1,543]

It's the managers fault Barton has no respect for him.  I would imagine if any player over stepped the mark with any manager they'd be gone. Wether paid off or sold in the next window. 

The only thing the manager is guilty of is listening and trusting his friend dyche in his assessment of the cunt that is joey barton

[.Williamson. 82,536]

Can we start locking threads about him now?

Hes gone, who gives a shite

[Reformation Bear 6,453]

10 hours ago, DBBTB said:

If Warburton had allowed Barton back I bet people who are on here every day looking to criticise him at every turn would be claiming that he is a weak manager with no backbone because "he let a player off" and going on about how "player power can't win out, the manager has to set an example" but because Warburton has stood up to him and told him to get to fuck this somehow shows he's a weak manager because "he can't handle criticism and pressure"  

Warburton was literally in a no win situation here because the people who have turned on him have already made their minds up about him and they will spend the rest of the times he's in the job here spinning stories whichever way it most helps them justify or push their opinions.

Maybe a point to be considered before anyone got to the stage of letting him back or not was whether the so-called 'issue' was handled well enough in the first case so as to avoid blasting down a formal, heavy handed, publicly visible disciplinary route where the outcomes are binary - return to work or leave.    The unanswered question is whether Warburton could or should have handled the issue differently from running straight to the disciplinary rule book.   Were there other options?  Could a closed door meeting the same day or the day after between Warbuton and Barton once tempers had cooled a bit have resulted in the issue being resolved and put behind them?  We'll never know of course, but it sure does not look like Warburton or the Club tried this.   It has the appearance that a decision was made very early on that Warburton would not work with Barton and the result is inevitably a trip down the disciplinary path to orchestrate an early termination of the contract.   In my view Warburton does not come out of this well any more than Barton does.   

But its done and dusted now between the Club and Barton.  It's just the aftermath to be dealt with as the story could rumble on for a bit longer if the media probe around the edges to see what juicy bits they can exploit.    Again we'll never know but it would be interesting to see if this episode adversely affects efforts to sign other players from English leagues.......especially if they give Barton or Barton's agent a call to get some insight into life at Auchenhowie and at Ibrox.    That's one reason why the initial handling of this may not have been wise - the risk of an adverse hit on Rangers' reputation in trying to attract other players.  

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6 minutes ago, Reformation Bear said:

Maybe a point to be considered before anyone got to the stage of letting him back or not was whether the so-called 'issue' was handled well enough in the first case so as to avoid blasting down a formal, heavy handed, publicly visible disciplinary route where the outcomes are binary - return to work or leave.    The unanswered question is whether Warburton could or should have handled the issue differently from running straight to the disciplinary rule book.   Were there other options?  Could a closed door meeting the same day or the day after between Warbuton and Barton once tempers had cooled a bit have resulted in the issue being resolved and put behind them?  We'll never know of course, but it sure does not look like Warburton or the Club tried this.   It has the appearance that a decision was made very early on that Warburton would not work with Barton and the result is inevitably a trip down the disciplinary path to orchestrate an early termination of the contract.   In my view Warburton does not come out of this well any more than Barton does.   

But its done and dusted now between the Club and Barton.  It's just the aftermath to be dealt with as the story could rumble on for a bit longer if the media probe around the edges to see what juicy bits they can exploit.    Again we'll never know but it would be interesting to see if this episode adversely affects efforts to sign other players from English leagues.......especially if they give Barton or Barton's agent a call to get some insight into life at Auchenhowie and at Ibrox.    That's one reason why the initial handling of this may not have been wise - the risk of an adverse hit on Rangers' reputation in trying to attract other players.  

By all accounts there were two closed door meetings, and Barton refused to accept responsibility for his actions or apologise...

Bottom line is Barton is a bawbag, and is gone now. Warburton is still here, and needs backing - despite the glee some are having at getting a good dig in at him of his 'handling' of the situation, without knowing the facts of the matter. 

 

[MOH_MedalOfHonor 17]

Barton said he felt he had nothing to apologise for

On the other hand I remember Scott Brown saying Gers are better off without him 

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41 minutes ago, MOH_MedalOfHonor said:

Barton said he felt he had nothing to apologise for

On the other hand I remember Scott Brown saying Gers are better off without him 

I think we all know why Scott Brown said that.

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2 hours ago, .Williamson. said:

Can we start locking threads about him now?

Hes gone, who gives a shite

This, reckon pretty much all that needs to said has  been said.

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11 hours ago, AlCapone said:

There's little chance tha he accepted 8 weeks pay off

hard to know. maybe this way he is paid up until january then gets to find a new club, and draw a line under it. The alternative being stay at Rangers and dont get a sniff of football and run your contract down - see who blinks first. 

either way i'm glad it's done, although it doesnt help our current situation on the pitch at all. we have many issues, barton being just one of them. 

im depressed. 

[Smile 26,610]

He's had more posts than Minutes on the park for us.

[MOH_MedalOfHonor 17]

30 minutes ago, OhW said:

In what way is that "on the other hand"?

In the way that Barton felt he had done no wrong etc on talksport,  but on the other hand Brown hints he wasn't committed - it's a mystery