Cedrick 8,048 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, BlueMe said: You're just making stuff up now tbh. That bit was from a mate when I revealed the previous info to him , I thought he looked decent enough nowhere near fit against Blackburn so hopefully just a settling in phase , being on the bench last night is a good sign 👍🏻👌🏻 BlueMe 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,723 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Fergie_6 said: Oh a do know he has played for us, but literally not kicked a ball, name your decent club source then and stop fucking about 👍🏻 So he had played for us but not "literally" kicked a ball? Help me out with that one. Aye mate that's what I'll do, naming an employee who was critical about another employee 👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valance1690 3,826 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, BlueMe said: I'm not saying i don't believe you, i'm saying i don't believe the guy who told you. Based on what you've been told about his passing, control and positional sense being questionable, when we've literally seen him doing all this - i don't know why anyone would believe that tbf. He wouldn't have played at the level he has and we certainly wouldn't have paid millions for him if his passing, control and positional sense were an issue. We'll see this weekend, if he plays. If he doesn't play then I'll maybe believe it then tbh. The only thing I say when somebody says that is look at Senderos Watched the guy at Arsenal for years then at us, genuinely cant believe he played at such a high level and got for so long and got transfers when he lacked every one of those BlueMe 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMe 25,327 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Just now, SeparateEntityMyArse said: Fair enough mate. The only thing I'd say is compare his scenario to Barisic in Scottish football. Previous experience means fuck all. And the lad really hasn't been tested, fuck he hasn't played co.petoticely to assess yet. I think he'll play. Hoping for and expecting a dominant performance from him. Passing, control and positional sense are the very basics of the game, so not really comparable to Barisic and not something you forget how to do based on location or previous experience tbf. Agree mate, hopefully he plays and starts to live up to the price tag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMe 25,327 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Valance1690 said: The only thing I say when somebody says that is look at Senderos Watched the guy at Arsenal for years then at us, genuinely cant believe he played at such a high level and got for so long and got transfers when he lacked every one of those He was brutal tbf. Up there with the worst i've ever seen play for us. Valance1690 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergie_6 1,078 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: So he had played for us but not "literally" kicked a ball? Help me out with that one. Aye mate that's what I'll do, naming an employee who was critical about another employee 👍 Hes played a friendly, no any competitve games, you know what a mean, because a called you out for talking pish, you and your unknown employee 🙈 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valance1690 3,826 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, BlueMe said: He was brutal tbf. Up there with the worst i've ever seen play for us. Supported arsenal for years & had to watch him, honestly cant believe he managed to play for them, AC Milan, Valencia, Everton etc. Never seen a player lack so many basic things and play for such big clubs For what it's worth I don't think anyone is writing off Helander yet but would be a bit alarmed if he doesn't get a game on Sunday, perfect chance for fitness/match time. BlueMe 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferris Bueller 1,569 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 I've heard the rumours he's a dud as well from a few folk, they were all scum supporters! Thats the talk amongst that mob. siddiqi_drinker 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,647 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Wrong thread Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philiprfc 1,799 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Ferris Bueller said: I've heard the rumours he's a dud as well from a few folk, they were all scum supporters! Thats the talk amongst that mob. Deflecting from their marquee signing looking pish so far, I say. magic8ball 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddiqi_drinker 14,635 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Fucking RM at times Cedrick, RZA83, Amato and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westenclosure2008 797 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 I think Gerrard has learned from his mistakes last year and has publicly stated that the two guys playing in his position are doing well so he’s not going to change it. Not sure if there was or not some agreement about Worral playing last season but the chopping and changing affected us last season. It’s not like them playing a midfielder in place of a recognised defender. Goldson and Katic have been excellent so need for change. The guy is obviously a good player but for now will need to bide his time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueThunder 8,454 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Courtyard Bear said: Also heard he is nowhere near ready fitness and strength wise for the level of football required. His thin legs had me worried from the get go (nae muscle mass), and i’m getting weird Bertie Konterman vibes from him! Older bears will remember how Bertie was looked at by Real, I think it was, before plumping for us. The rest is.... Well, he scored a cracker against Sellick. 😂 Still, hope Helander tears it up! His shot in the friendly is certainly encouraging if he isn’t going to make it as a defender! I’m sure he’ll be fine 😄 Courtyard Bear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewisWATP 299 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Christ, not seen the guy in competitive action yet😂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted August 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2019 Was he not on the bench last night ahead of Edmundson? We know Edmundson looks decent and has not put a foot wrong, so i dont see Gerard bombing him out of the squad for a guy who apparently doesnt know how to kick a ball. Im calling bullshit. BlueThunder, willygers4life, Amato and 4 others 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,825 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Helander came on against Blackburn then started against Derby. I thought that he and Katic totally dominated the defence in that Derby game. The entire team was sloppy against Blackburn in the 2nd half. Helander looked good in the air and on the deck. No idea what people are talking about in criticising him by proxy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMB 14,167 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 3 hours ago, .Williamson. said: How would 3.5 million have gotten us Taylor and Kent when Liverpool value Kent over 10 million? I highly doubt Liverpool want over £10m for Kent. Anyway, Liverpool loaned Ejaria to Reading with a view to them buying permanently at the end of it. Maybe if Rangers had a few million we could’ve gotten a similar type of deal. By the sounds of it we have no transfer budget left. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakbear 3,586 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Helander May or may not be a dud. Time will tell. However there’s a few observations on the discussion. Firstly Karl Svensson shows that playing for your national team doesn’t guarantee anything. Numerous players have come to Rangers and despite previous successes haven’t made it here, so I am not really sure why people would dismiss these rumours out of hand based on his history. Dismiss the rumours based on the fact he needs time for sure but not because he has played in Italy and for Sweden secondly we can debate his abilities for weeks, until he has a chance to demonstrate them, but no one will convince me it was a necessary signing. He could turn out to be our best CH but Goldson Katic and Edmondson were already in place and are all very good players and with a youth prospect, or bosman, as added back up we were absolutely fine at CH. we need a LB and that’s where we should have focussed Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,723 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 6 hours ago, Fergie_6 said: Hes played a friendly, no any competitve games, you know what a mean, because a called you out for talking pish, you and your unknown employee 🙈 I know the employee, daftie 😁 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanksRFC 3,869 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 This place never fails to amuse me. Id expect to see him tomorrow, maybe get a bit more of a judgement. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangeclement 570 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 8 hours ago, TMB said: Sounds like we’ve spent £3.5m on an area that didn’t need that sort of investment. Goldson and Katic have a good partnership and Edmundson looked great when he was given a chance. A cheap 4th choice CB for cover would’ve sufficed. That £3.5m could’ve got us Greg Taylor and maybe allowed us to get Kent here permanently (some money now with more to be paid next year). Taylor is dug shite and Ojo will score and create more assists than Kent did last year . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangeclement 570 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 4 hours ago, TMB said: I highly doubt Liverpool want over £10m for Kent. Anyway, Liverpool loaned Ejaria to Reading with a view to them buying permanently at the end of it. Maybe if Rangers had a few million we could’ve gotten a similar type of deal. By the sounds of it we have no transfer budget left. There really is something wrong with you . You know Liverpool are looking for £12m for Kent hence why Leeds pulled out . As for your budget pish literally just 24 hours ago GM has said if right player is available then they might add to squad . .Williamson. and richles1872 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangeclement 570 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 57 minutes ago, Bakbear said: Helander May or may not be a dud. Time will tell. However there’s a few observations on the discussion. Firstly Karl Svensson shows that playing for your national team doesn’t guarantee anything. Numerous players have come to Rangers and despite previous successes haven’t made it here, so I am not really sure why people would dismiss these rumours out of hand based on his history. Dismiss the rumours based on the fact he needs time for sure but not because he has played in Italy and for Sweden secondly we can debate his abilities for weeks, until he has a chance to demonstrate them, but no one will convince me it was a necessary signing. He could turn out to be our best CH but Goldson Katic and Edmondson were already in place and are all very good players and with a youth prospect, or bosman, as added back up we were absolutely fine at CH. we need a LB and that’s where we should have focussed I will base my judgement on the fact Gerrard had him on the bench for Thursday nights game meaning he has the managers trust over Edmundson or that he had trained better to earn a spot on the bench . Not rumours from some itk crowd looking for attention. richles1872 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,723 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 5 hours ago, JCDBigBear said: Helander came on against Blackburn then started against Derby. I thought that he and Katic totally dominated the defence in that Derby game. The entire team was sloppy against Blackburn in the 2nd half. Helander looked good in the air and on the deck. No idea what people are talking about in criticising him by proxy. No one is criticising by proxy. Neither myself nor Cedrick is criticising in any way via someone else, neither of us have agreed with it in any way. I've actually said I've seen no evidence of it from what I've seen. Theres not one dissenting voice I've seen on here. All that's happened is Cedrick has spoken to someone who has cast judgement on how good the lad is, I'm assuming as a result of the closed doors game v chelsea, and im saying someone within the club has mentioned concern about specific aspects of his play in training. Folk can accept that info or not, theres no criticism of the lad by either of us 🙄👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
born a blue nose 90,772 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 If I wasted one of my best ever photoshops on a guy that is shite I will be beyond fuming Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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