Ryan Jack

[DiamondDan 2,386]

Gio's response in the press conference wasn't exactly reassuring, I never thought we would see him back where he was and I'm even less convinced now.

[Hadron Collider 31,018]

3 hours ago, East Enclosure Row N said:

Laughing my arse off at all the self appointed physios, coaches and doctors on this thread who know exactly the same as me about it = fuck all.

You know fuck all about fuck all, and howl at the moon about it.

 

[bluenose244 2,618]

Potential unpopular opinion here and perhaps a coincidence, but I feel like the turn in our fortunes coincided with Ryan Jack's injury.

[The Specky Forum Organiser 65,030]

14 minutes ago, bluenose244 said:

Potential unpopular opinion here and perhaps a coincidence, but I feel like the turn in our fortunes coincided with Ryan Jack's injury.

How did you come to that conclusion?

[Roy Hobbs 2,179]

14 minutes ago, bluenose244 said:

Potential unpopular opinion here and perhaps a coincidence, but I feel like the turn in our fortunes coincided with Ryan Jack's injury.

Jack played 13 league games at the beginning of last season. We didn't lose a goal in any of them. It's not unpopular, it's just wrong.

[Bristol loyal 6,248]

If his contract isn’t up until 2023 we’re going to find it very hard to get rid. No one is going to pay money for him with his injury record, and any club that might take a chance certainly isn’t going to be able to match his wages. Best bet would be try get him out on loan to get some game time with the team he goes to covering a percentage of his wage. 

[bluenose244 2,618]

8 minutes ago, The Specky Liar said:

How did you come to that conclusion?

 

6 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

Jack played 13 league games at the beginning of last season. We didn't lose a goal in any of them. It's not unpopular, it's just wrong.

Mostly a gut feeling and personal opinion as opposed to having actual stats to back it up, I'm not going to sit here and argue with a man who can pull 13 games and zero goals conceded out of the hat, but stats only tell half a story.

I just feel like we really started to tick and play our best stuff when it was Steven Davis and Glen Kamara consistently and at no point last season did I feel we desperately need Ryan Jack back in this team.

I 100% wanted him on the park to lift 55, but for sentimental reasons.

[esquire8 42,973]

Because of his injury record and contract length we are going to have to have plenty of patience with Jack. Thinking positive to have him back next week or two in training.

Long term I don't think whatever he had done by the specialist worked at all. 

[Negri's lovechild 14,136]

12 minutes ago, esquire8 said:

Because of his injury record and contract length we are going to have to have plenty of patience with Jack. Thinking positive to have him back next week or two in training.

Long term I don't think whatever he had done by the specialist worked at all. 

It's a real shame as well, as he is such an important player when he is fit. Unfortunately he just isnt available often enough. 

Just hope the setback isn't a bad one. 

[bluenose48 951]

Coming back from a major leg injury, maybe just a wee twinge and medical staff playing it safe.

Lets wait and see.

[BridgeIsBlue 66,612]

1 hour ago, Negri's lovechild said:

It's a real shame as well, as he is such an important player when he is fit. Unfortunately he just isnt available often enough. 

Just hope the setback isn't a bad one. 

Don't quite understand how he's an important player when we've coped fine without him. 

[smartypants 4,441]

13 minutes ago, bluenose48 said:

Coming back from a major leg injury, maybe just a wee twinge and medical staff playing it safe.

Lets wait and see.

Might be wrong but I think his injury is to do with his lower back or hip possibly. 

[southcoastbear 1,639]

Sadly I think all we can do is get what we can out Jack and manage his injury best we can.

Cant see an offer coming in from another club, certainly not one anywhere near what he is on at the minute.

Such a shame as I saw him as potential captain material before his injury problems.

Best of luck to the lad and here's hoping I'm completely wrong.

[Ross-Gazza genius 1,909]

12 hours ago, BridgeIsBlue said:

Don't quite understand how he's an important player when we've coped fine without him. 

Just because we've coped doesn't mean he's not important. Look at man city with the amount of injuries de bruyne has had, you're not telling me he's not important coz they've coped?? 

[BridgeIsBlue 66,612]

41 minutes ago, Ross-Gazza genius said:

Just because we've coped doesn't mean he's not important. Look at man city with the amount of injuries de bruyne has had, you're not telling me he's not important coz they've coped?? 

KDB is their best player though. 

I could see your point if Aribo had picked up a bad knock in training as he's been our best this season. 

[Ross-Gazza genius 1,909]

1 hour ago, BridgeIsBlue said:

KDB is their best player though. 

I could see your point if Aribo had picked up a bad knock in training as he's been our best this season. 

It was more the scenario of players can still be important but teams can cope. I think it says more about our strength in depth that we've coped soo well without him. A fit and firing Jack walks into our team imo. 

[SwallowsHisOwnSpunk 7,812]

People were deluding themselves that Jack was gonna come straight back in and drive us towards the title in the 2nd half of the season.

Thats what happens when the team is playing badly (as we did under Gerrard for the first 2/3 of the season), people were looking for excuses/solutions and the players that aren’t in the squad for whatever reason (loan/injury) get hyped up beyond what they are actually capable of.

Now I’m not writing off the rest of Jack’s career with Rangers, he may well get himself fit eventually and play a decent part but he’s never gonna be the long term solution in that problem.

I just can’t see him reaching then heights of the first quarter of last season / the season before and if he does reach those heights he’s gonna take a while to get there (probably not this season)

[rabc10000 5,061]

4 hours ago, BridgeIsBlue said:

KDB is their best player though. 

I could see your point if Aribo had picked up a bad knock in training as he's been our best this season. 

Major dif is man City can literally replace a world class player with arguably another world class player. For us pretty much anyone, Kamara aside is a massive downgrade on a fully fit Ryan jack so it's not really comparable. 

[born a blue nose 90,855]

5 minutes ago, rabc10000 said:

Major dif is man City can literally replace a world class player with arguably another world class player. For us pretty much anyone, Kamara aside is a massive downgrade on a fully fit Ryan jack so it's not really comparable. 

That's an absolute mongo post mate.

We're not playing man u, Chelsea, arsenal etc so we don't need world class players. 

Davis is not a massive downgrade, neither is lundstram if you put things into perspective. 

[rabc10000 5,061]

14 minutes ago, born a blue nose said:

That's an absolute mongo post mate.

We're not playing man u, Chelsea, arsenal etc so we don't need world class players. 

Davis is not a massive downgrade, neither is lundstram if you put things into perspective. 

OK to put things into perspective de bruyne has missed about 210 days in the last 5 years compared to Jack's 450 plus. 

On top of that, as u pointed we have players who albeit are a slight downgrade are more than good enough against the shite in our league. 

But at this stage Davis is a big downgrade in Jack and I would argue lundstram is still unproven to an extent. 

Unless however I'm swayed by the RM thoughts on Jack or I'm over playing how good the boy is. 

Either way man City have adequate replacements that offer the same whereas imho we don't. If we did we wouldn't be having this discussion

[Drunk and disorderly. 14,511]

On 10/12/2021 at 00:02, KingKirk said:

Difficult discussion needs to be had regarding the wee man. We need to look for a replacement in January. 

His body just won't allow him to compete at this level anymore imo.

Time will tell. Be crazy to give up on him after the surgery that is supposed to resolve the issue. It could literally be an unassociated injury and a minor setback for all we know. 

He is our most dynamic player imo. Runs his heart out and never seems to tire,  and has a very high concentration level to boot. All traits you look for in a good midfielder.

People on here guess and pass it off as fact. There are a couple of posters on here who say Shaggers back is fucked FFS.

 

 

[born a blue nose 90,855]

4 minutes ago, rabc10000 said:

OK to put things into perspective de bruyne has missed about 210 days in the last 5 years compared to Jack's 450 plus. 

On top of that, as u pointed we have players who albeit are a slight downgrade are more than good enough against the shite in our league. 

But at this stage Davis is a big downgrade in Jack and I would argue lundstram is still unproven to an extent. 

Unless however I'm swayed by the RM thoughts on Jack or I'm over playing how good the boy is. 

Either way man City have adequate replacements that offer the same whereas imho we don't. If we did we wouldn't be having this discussion

You're saying players that are playing week in week out, some breaking international records, are a downgrade from a player who's played about 180 minutes since February

[bluenoz 30,943]

4 minutes ago, rabc10000 said:

OK to put things into perspective de bruyne has missed about 210 days in the last 5 years compared to Jack's 450 plus. 

On top of that, as u pointed we have players who albeit are a slight downgrade are more than good enough against the shite in our league. 

But at this stage Davis is a big downgrade in Jack and I would argue lundstram is still unproven to an extent. 

Unless however I'm swayed by the RM thoughts on Jack or I'm over playing how good the boy is. 

Either way man City have adequate replacements that offer the same whereas imho we don't. If we did we wouldn't be having this discussion

The obvious replacement for both Jack and Davis is Kamara. When Kamara plays centrally in the DM role he is outstanding. Gio has used him there 4 out of 5 games.

I still want Jack in the team but I think we will start seeing a little less game time for Davis.

[rabc10000 5,061]

5 minutes ago, born a blue nose said:

You're saying players that are playing week in week out, some breaking international records, are a downgrade from a player who's played about 180 minutes since February

All about context tho innit, I mean I wasn't the one comparing Jack with de bruyne 

[rabc10000 5,061]

3 minutes ago, bluenoz said:

The obvious replacement for both Jack and Davis is Kamara. When Kamara plays centrally in the DM role he is outstanding. Gio has used him there 4 out of 5 games.

I still want Jack in the team but I think we will start seeing a little less game time for Davis.

I agree and personally as a lone dmf I would argue Kamara is the better player all day long. However Jack is one of these boys whose importance to the team is massively overplayed for some reason.