Rangers statement

[SeparateEntityMyArse 54,078]

12 minutes ago, beararse said:

‘Advice’ is the key word in that extract.

VARs role it to advise the on field officials, they do not make decisions other than confirm offsides which are not subjective (or at least aren’t subjective in the overwhelming majority of instances).

Bottom line is the VAR has just moved or split the blame for dodgy decisions and probably placed even more media scrutiny on decisions that could go either way, whilst also ruining the flow of the game. I much preferred the odd human error made in live time than a collective fuck up made in slow mo. 

VAR is not fit for purpose in its current format as it relies too heavily on the fuck wits in charge of reviews.

Walsh wasn't given the opportunity to ignore the advice. Collum instead appears to have made his own refereeing decision on a handball Walsh hasnt seen. 

[beararse 6,431]

42 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Walsh wasn't given the opportunity to ignore the advice. Collum instead appears to have made his own refereeing decision on a handball Walsh hasnt seen. 

We don't know that for sure as we aren't yet party to the the two way communication. Something is amiss. We just don't know what yet but as a minimum, at least one thing was handled incorrectly and most likely several more.

 

[SeparateEntityMyArse 54,078]

6 minutes ago, beararse said:

We don't know that for sure as we aren't yet party to the the two way communication. Something is amiss. We just don't know what yet but as a minimum, at least one thing was handled incorrectly and most likely several more.

 

We know that a goal kick was given so the ref believed last contact was a Rangers player.

We know that Collum has said the handball was natural positioning in his opinion.

We know that there was nothing heard in the studio about offside, there was no offside flag, and the incident moved on within about 30 secs which seems way too quick for a review, identify handball, determine it a clear and obvious error ornot, or establish it was negated by definitive offside. So offside very unlikely to have been considered at that time.

I'm struggling to see how it can be anything other than re-refereeing by Collum over a handball not seen by Walsh.

We'll never get the audio.

 

 

 

 

[TheKingObv 10,649]

1 hour ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Walsh wasn't given the opportunity to ignore the advice. Collum instead appears to have made his own refereeing decision on a handball Walsh hasnt seen. 

That's literally what Collum is there to do.

He doesn't have to let Walsh see it, even if Walsh missed it in the first place.

[beararse 6,431]

27 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

We know that a goal kick was given so the ref believed last contact was a Rangers player.

We know that Collum has said the handball was natural positioning in his opinion.

We know that there was nothing heard in the studio about offside, there was no offside flag, and the incident moved on within about 30 secs which seems way too quick for a review, identify handball, determine it a clear and obvious error ornot, or establish it was negated by definitive offside. So offside very unlikely to have been considered at that time.

I'm struggling to see how it can be anything other than re-refereeing by Collum over a handball not seen by Walsh.

We'll never get the audio.

 

 

 

 

At the end of the day we shouldn’t have been awarded a penalty as Sima was offside.

The officials made a cunt of things but ultimately the right decision (in terms of not awarding a penalty) was reached, by hook or by crook. Whether it was an offside free kick or a bye kick is irrelevant to how the game unfolded.
 
 

[SeparateEntityMyArse 54,078]

24 minutes ago, TheKingObv said:

That's literally what Collum is there to do.

He doesn't have to let Walsh see it, even if Walsh missed it in the first place.

Then we do away with clear and obvious error consideration despite I think every single pundit including rabids said it was a handball, and just accept the re-refereeing of the game?

A missed handball where the hand slaps the ball the way it did should never ever be a var officials job to decide on.

[SeparateEntityMyArse 54,078]

12 minutes ago, beararse said:

At the end of the day we shouldn’t have been awarded a penalty as Sima was offside.

The officials made a cunt of things but ultimately the right decision (in terms of not awarding a penalty) was reached, by hook or by crook. Whether it was an offside free kick or a bye kick is irrelevant to how the game unfolded.
 
 

Nah mate that's a cop out. 

How the cunts got to the decision to move on from the incident is critical. We're right to challenge it as it stinks.

Moving on already because of the later shown offside images only allows them to get away with the challenge we've given to show officials acted correctly.

 

[Redmond7 1,085]

If the audio from VAR was made public as a matter of course, there wouldn't be an issue and if there was it could be dealt with openly. I'm not really sure why this doesnt happen. 

[Bad Robot 21,399]

In one minute they can’t be agreeing to mic up the hibs manager for a full game with sky then not agree to release 90 seconds of audio from another professional.

[beararse 6,431]

9 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Nah mate that's a cop out. 

How the cunts got to the decision to move on from the incident is critical. We're right to challenge it as it stinks.

Moving on already because of the later shown offside images only allows them to get away with the challenge we've given to show officials acted correctly.

 

It’s not a cop out. Never said the process doesn’t need exposed: the opposite in fact and that they almost certainly got lucky in somehow arriving at the correct decision. They should be held accountable for not following due process and the whole debacle needs greater transparency but ultimately the penalty shouldn’t have been awarded (if it actually had) as Sima was offside.

I’d still hold the cunts’ feet to the fire. Basically, the same position that the club have taken. 

[Soldier blue 595]

One certainty is that if, by some miracle, the VARs were able to review the handball AND the offside within 30ish seconds and to reach the offside decision the audio detailing that would be made public to counter the controversy.  They would only withhold the audio if it contradicted their excuse. Where’s your money going on this?

[ritchieshearercaldow 22,240]

 

[AdzKyle 7,988]

Sky would be quick to release the audio if it was the other way round. Same goes for the SFA. Lawell would be all over it. 

[Redmond7 1,085]

13 minutes ago, AdzKyle said:

Sky would be quick to release the audio if it was the other way round. Same goes for the SFA. Lawell would be all over it. 

If that match and the one at Ibrox was reversed the taigs would be calling for public enquiries, it would dominate the news for days. But we call these things out it's just sour grapes. 

[SeparateEntityMyArse 54,078]

4 minutes ago, Redmond7 said:

If that match and the one at Ibrox was reversed the taigs would be calling for public enquiries, it would dominate the news for days. But we call these things out it's just sour grapes. 

Plenty of our fans have moved on already so it's pretty easy for others to do so too.

[Soldier blue 595]

20 minutes ago, AdzKyle said:

Sky would be quick to release the audio if it was the other way round. Same goes for the SFA. Lawell would be all over it. 

That’ll be the SFA who asked for the audio to be released when the McTominay goal v Spain was disallowed. In which case they can’t have any problems releasing this audio, can they?

[Redmond7 1,085]

1 minute ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Plenty of our fans have moved on already so it's pretty easy for others to do so too.

Mibbe we need to stop 'moving on' - even if we'd come back to draw or win that game these decisions at very least need to be addressed. I forget who it was said it (Tom English? Someone like that anyway) that lot don't want a level playing field they want everything their way. And we tend to give in too easily, always have done. 

[Colin Traive 22,983]

3 hours ago, beararse said:

At the end of the day we shouldn’t have been awarded a penalty as Sima was offside.

The officials made a cunt of things but ultimately the right decision (in terms of not awarding a penalty) was reached, by hook or by crook. Whether it was an offside free kick or a bye kick is irrelevant to how the game unfolded.

Given the fact that the ball is away from Lundstram’s foot in the alleged offside picture (as opposed to moment of contact), I’m far from certain that anyone was offside WHEN THE KICK WAS TAKEN. Taylor appears to be playing our players onside.

However, none of this is the main point. After half an hour of desperate scouring through the footage, someone found a still which, if you move it on a few frames, appears to justify a belated claim for offside.

But it was never even close to being relevant when Johnson was displaying his volleyball skills.

You don’t make a decision and then spend half an hour trawling for an image that, with a bit of adjustment, gets you off the hook.

Naked corruption and I’ll be very disappointed in Clement if he lets this drop.

[beararse 6,431]

1 minute ago, Colin Traive said:

Given the fact that the ball is away from Lundstram’s foot in the alleged offside picture (as opposed to moment of contact), I’m far from certain that anyone was offside WHEN THE KICK WAS TAKEN. Taylor appears to be playing our players onside.

However, none of this is the main point. After half an hour of desperate scouring through the footage, someone found a still which, if you move it on a few frames, appears to justify a belated claim for offside.

But it was never even close to being relevant when Johnson was displaying his volleyball skills.

You don’t make a decision and then spend half an hour trawling for an image that, with a bit of adjustment, gets you off the hook.

Naked corruption and I’ll be very disappointed in Clement if he lets this drop.

Never said it wasn’t a fuck up, but had they followed the rules to the T we would have ended up at the same outcome.

[Bad Robot 21,399]

7 minutes ago, beararse said:

Never said it wasn’t a fuck up, but had they followed the rules to the T we would have ended up at the same outcome.

regardless the audio needs released to the club and if they’re happy with it we move on. If not then we keep the pressure on

[Negri's lovechild 14,297]

Some people seem to have comforted themselves with the fact that the penalty would likely have been chopped off with there being an offside in the build up to the incident. 

That shouldn't be the case as the penalty should have been given initially, and then when they went back and found that Sima was offside, then fair enough. The fact that it wasn't given with its blatancy and obviousness is scandalous. I keep hearing about re-refereeing the game. If Walsh not being asked to go and look at the monitor and make his own mind up isn't re-refereeing the game, then i don't know what is.

The audio of the incident should be released for transparency and it will highlight the process Collum went through to come to his decision. The English FA have done similar, and the VAR team in question was then relieved of their duties, but the transparency was there. 

 

[Bobby Hume 13,238]

21 hours ago, Leftpegcoopz11 said:

Wonder how many instances throughout the world you can bat the ball out of play with your hand and no penalty is given 🤔

Millions of them mate .... since the beginning of association football .... but those instances only ever applied to goalkeepers ..... and cheating scum players of course.

We also have a lot of cheating scum supporting bastards as officials up here ... they make you want to puke ... 

🇬🇧

[Bad Robot 21,399]

SFA Refuse to release VAR audio to Rangers

A Rangers spokesperson said: “Despite repeated Rangers FC requests, the Scottish FA have so far failed to disclose the VAR audio to allow the club to understand the process around the non-award of a penalty in the first half of yesterday’s Old Firm match.

“Rangers officials stand ready to meet in-person or virtually with the Scottish FA at any time to hear and discuss the audio. However, the Scottish FA are refusing to both share the VAR audio and meet until at least Wednesday, five days after the Old Firm match and after the next round of Scottish Premiership fixtures. This is clearly unacceptable and heightens Rangers’ concerns over the lack of transparency, for which the need is urgent.

“Rangers have learned no penalty was awarded as the VAR official, Willie Collum, concluded a handball offence had not occurred in the first half. While the club and most observers are astonished by this 'professional' view, we remain perplexed and concerned about the Scottish FA's motivations for sharing an offside image with broadcasters during the second half, when this was not the original reason why the penalty was not awarded.

“England’s Premier League and other leading European Leagues operate on a ‘nothing to hide’ basis, where open communication and full transparency are available to clubs and the public on contentious VAR calls in a timely manner.

“On a weekend where not only Rangers but also fellow Scottish FA member clubs have major questions over potentially match-changing incidents, our governing body would do well to heed that same mantra."

[Assegai 8,262]

 

[Hadron Collider 31,187]

1 minute ago, Assegai said:

 

Cunts making up a new audiotape as we speak. 🤣