celtic Face 25 actions regarding Historic Abuse

[Ladytonbear 375]

3 minutes ago, bluenoz said:

I think by year's end they will truly be fucked. UEFA should suspend them from European competitions when found liable.

^ This is what needs to happen. Although others disagree, this is a civil claim and they will have some form of public liability insurance to protect them from at least some the payouts.

what also needs to happen is those who allowed this to happen, didn’t report it or turned a blind eye, need to be held criminally liable as accessories to this appalling crime. 

[bluenoz 31,287]

12 minutes ago, Ladytonbear said:

^ This is what needs to happen. Although others disagree, this is a civil claim and they will have some form of public liability insurance to protect them from at least some the payouts.

what also needs to happen is those who allowed this to happen, didn’t report it or turned a blind eye, need to be held criminally liable as accessories to this appalling crime. 

Why would they have an insurance policy if they are a separate entity?

[Ladytonbear 375]

5 minutes ago, bluenoz said:

Why would they have an insurance policy if they are a separate entity?

It would appear the court doesn’t agree with them on this point

[Canabear 4,583]

[HG5 11,411]

6 hours ago, bluenoz said:

Every sponsor should end their contracts with them the moment the first case is settled (and it will happen) but then again Adidas made Nazi uniforms so they probably couldn't give a fuck.

Be interesting to see the level of equivalence between the response to this compared to a guy kicking a cat…

[heathen fish boy 8,614]

Seen interesting post while nosing on FF,boy reckons they won't be covered by insurance for this unless specifically mentioned in policy,as an aside that's dawned on me though is did they ever inform the stock exchange about the mythical internal investigation though

[stourloyal 92]

9 hours ago, heathen fish boy said:

Both brothers that started Adidas and Puma were members of the Nazi party 

More or less compulsory at one point.

[Rowley Birkin 9,308]

3 hours ago, heathen fish boy said:

Seen interesting post while nosing on FF,boy reckons they won't be covered by insurance for this unless specifically mentioned in policy,as an aside that's dawned on me though is did they ever inform the stock exchange about the mythical internal investigation though

theres no chance a company will insure against as it'll be akin to allowing it to happen and certainly it'll never be retrospectively insured against in any way

 

edit: just read a post on FF saying you can buy molestation and abuse cover, thats sickening if true but if sellic ever had such a cover then that only strengthens the cases against them as to have such a cover then they must have known it was going on 

[Blue Nosed Babe 20,991]

The bravery and dignity of these survivors is humbling.

[Blue Nosed Babe 20,991]

Courts 7 v Celtic 0

Still to happen are 4 criminal trials and the Class Action Proof.

[scotty1976 1,673]

I think our club has made a miscalculation agreeing to play this toxic club in a friendly in Australia.
 

We should not associate in any way commercially with a club who has treated the victims of this crime so appallingly.  
 

I really hope the victims get what they deserve - financial compensation will go a bit of the way but primarily that club needs to accept wrongdoing and apologise to each and every victim for failing them.

[onlythestrongsurvive 1,007]

just had a look on kerrydale and not even a mention of this - it's as if it doesn't exist and / or doesn't matter to any of them what went on

[SteveEarle 9,856]

From the Scottish Daily Express. Conveniently the government were unable to answer questions relating to the CSA scandal. Fuck me

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/celtic-boys-club-scottish-government-26376066?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

The Scottish Government admitted it has no record of discussions with police in relation to the abuse of children at Celtic Boys Club, the Scottish Daily Express can reveal.

In a bombshell Freedom of Information request seen by this website, government officials were unable to answer a string of questions relating to the scandal, claiming it did not have a record of the information requested.

Among the questions asked was if meetings or correspondence took place about a list of 14 potential paedophiles handed to Strathclyde Police in 1995.

At the time of the FoI request, only two of those 14 named individuals had been convicted.

The government was also asked if the Procurator Fiscal had been involved in any discussions and if inquiries would be launched into the police and PF's handling of the information.

Crucially, the Scottish Government also did not answer if there were any plans to ask Police Scotland - the successor to Strathclyde Police following the 2013 merger - to reassess the information.

The FoI also states the government has no record of meetings with the footballing authorities in relation to Celtic Boys Club.

A selection of questions and answers from the FOI request, which was published in July 2019

Q - In 1995, a list of 14 active paedophiles was presented to Strathclyde Police. However, of those names only 2 were convicted: What discussions have taken place with Police Scotland regarding the 14 names that were handed to them?

A - The Scottish Government does not have the information you have requested.

Q - When will an inquiry be launched into the handling of the information presented to Strathclyde Police and will this inquiry be managed by a police force from elsewhere in the UK? Will an investigation also be launched into the Procurator Fiscals handling of the evidence?

A - The Scottish Government does not have the information you have requested.

Q - Will Police Scotland be ordered to reassess the evidence previously provided to them?

A - The Scottish Government does not have the information you have requested.

Q - Will Police Scotland be ordered to reassess the evidence previously provided to them?

A - The Scottish Government does not have the information you have requested.

Q - What legal advice was sought in relation to the holding of an inquiry and when? What questions were asked to obtain the legal advice? Dates and times of the meetings and who was present?

A - The Scottish Government does not have the information you have requested.

It comes after a judge this week gave the green light for a lawsuit to be launched by 22 victims of abuse against Celtic FC.

Lord Arthurson confirmed on Tuesday that the legal criteria for allowing the action to proceed had been met paving the way for the survivors to pursue a multi-million pound sum in the Court of Session.

In the FoI document, dated from July 2019, government officers dodge a series of questions, stating: "This is a formal notice under section 17(1) of FOISA that the Scottish Government does not have the information you have requested."

The request also shows the Scottish Government had no record of whether attempts had been made to provide the United States Department of Justice and State of New Jersey Attorney General with information regarding alleged abuse that was carried out on a trip to Kearney, New Jersey in 1991.

The government did eventually provide an answer when asked if the refusal to hold an inquiry into the scandal helped with the protection of young people in Scotland.

The request asked if the government was "happy to keep the nation in the dark" and "happy to allow the abused and their families to continue to suffer without having the answers they deserve?"

An official wrote: "The Scottish Government unreservedly condemns the abhorrent crime of sexual abuse.

"Experiences of sexual abuse in Scottish football will have a profound and long-lasting impact on those who were abused. Ensuring children can enjoy taking part in sport in a safe and secure environment – as well as giving parents confidence about the safety and wellbeing of their children – is a priority for the Scottish Government.

"You may be aware that the Scottish FA announced the terms of reference for an independent review of non-recent sexual abuse allegations in Scottish football on 2 February 2017. The interim report was published on 26 July 2018, allowing the Scottish FA to address some of the recommendations before the final report is published when current ongoing legal cases are concluded.

"The Scottish Government will consider next steps when the final report is published."

This final report was eventually published in February last year, including harrowing accounts from 33 people stretching back to the 1970s.

In the majority of cases, the review found no one in the game had concrete evidence of abuse at the time but it said there were varying levels of suspicion that could have been acted on.

One survivor of abuse this week told the Scottish Daily Express those pursuing the case against Celtic were not interested in money.

The man, who cannot be named for legal reasons, said: "Compensation is never something that the victims have ever discussed or considered either with the legal team or anyone else.

"The important issue here is getting Celtic into a court of law which allows victims to face Celtic and exhibit the evidence that we have unearthed for the court to look at."

[Let's go55 168]

Absolutely disgusting, who made the decisions not to investigate the crimes committed under the umbrella of celtic football and athletic club.

This needs to be brought out and those who have aided and abetted these crimes to be committed should be the subject of prosecution.

Lord Advocates,Chiefs of Police,Procurator Fiscals, Politicians from Councillor to First Minister,Scottish Football Association past and to the present day, Media lackies and all those who to this day maintain the silence to protect the club with no shame.

The sham inquiry which actually praised this shower for employing a protection officer, 50 or more years to late led by a man we are told who had vast experience in the field of sexual abuse who couldn't spot the paedophile in the same office as him.

The shameful denial and cover up continues , is there not one person in the Scottish Parliament willing to put their head above the parapet and call Sturgeon and her minions out.

As for celtic.

Kick them Out.

No friendlies with child abuse enablers.

[scotty1976 1,673]

Compare and contrast the media coverage and reaction with that of David Goodwillie. 
 

 

[Canabear 4,583]

https://www.vanguardbears.co.uk/

 

Rangers FC Roots and The Deracinated Bheast

 

My most important new year’s resolution has been cast aside this week. I vowed for the year at least, in our 150th anniversary, all that I would think and speak about would be Rangers FC. This is such an important year and despite it’s obvious footballing frustrations in the league (at times), the team are well placed for a second successive league title and have taken impressive scalps in Europe.  

150 years ago, the founding fathers sought to racinate the club with deep seated roots, to sink profound pillars on which a magnificent institution stands to this day and still flourishes. Those foundations have proven to be steadfast and enduring. They have succeeded.

It pains me to mention Bheast FC but mention them I must. I usually explain and argue in articulate and reasoned terms about what I and most right-thinking human beings (even outside the Rangers support) know about the vile institution. What is striking and depressing about this write up by me is the source of anger, despair and incredulity - the board of Rangers FC itself.

The reason I must break a personal promise is the proposed ‘friendly’ scheduled for November this year in Sydney.

The Rangers board have done a superb job in recent years. They have brought credibility back to the club, sought new commercial partners and delivered the long-awaited league title. They deserve credit where it is due and despite some on park frustrations we continue to progress and there is a long way to go in the league. It is to next season that concerns me and the winter break friendly (forced upon us due to bribery and the awarding of a bogus world cup bauble to a corrupt Arab state with no footballing knowledge, history and an infrastructure built on slavery) that now sits on the horizon.

The Rangers FC board have embarked upon a self-inflicted project of fostering anger, dismay and for some, soiling the memory of the very people who set out to racinate the club as the bedrock of Scottish football which in turn became the ‘Quintessential British Club’. They must now live with the consequences.

The actual physical essence of the club is there 150 years later but what of its soul?

The support over the past few hours has, quite rightly, asked very serious questions and has been seething in its criticism. We should not be concerned with Bheast FC except for the 4 times a season we have the misfortune to play against them and at times in additional cup ties. It is bad enough that we must endure Bheast FC as unwelcomed neighbours in our city, never mind colluding with them to make a buck in another hemisphere.

We are not concerned with Bheast FC. What we are concerned about, is the victims of the Bheast FC paedophile ring. We are concerned about being associated with a toxic institution. Is this now the marketing strategy to seek out new markets? Do we now play along and facilitate a home coming tour for Australia’s son and his entourage? Is this what we have become reduced to and at this point in our history?

We have roots. Roots that have evolved into Protestant, Unionist and Loyalist roots. Roots that have resulted in the first major European club celebrating and reaching it’s 150th anniversary. That anniversary is in danger of being overshadowed by gross mismanagement and the pursuit of money in the form of hubris.

We have signed up to deal with the devil itself. Bheast FC is a vile institution that tried (and failed miserably) to eradicate us. The irony is the very club that has reprehensible roots in another country are the very club trying to erode ours. Bheast FC are the deracinated club in Scotland. The club with a warped sense of itself and where it belongs. Is it Dublin? Cork? Who knows! The soulless club whose support wallow in self-pity, victimhood, MOPERY and are capable of the most mendacious and heinous crimes. As is their historical board members, demonstrable by their cover up of sexual abuse. Bheast FC certainly doesn’t belong in modern Scotland and we certainly don’t belong on the same proposed charted airline to Australia.

We are the racinated, we have the roots. The sooner the Rangers FC board understand this the sooner we can get back to celebrating our next anniversary. Rangers FC do not have a symbiotic relationship with Bheast FC and we never want one in any context.

[SouthSide1994 0]

I know this is just against them, but abuse needs to be spoken about more often. The Scottish government is rightfully putting out the redress scheme for victims of abuse in foster care, residential homes etc and it’s frightening to see the amount of organisations and religions that have signed up to contribute (if they contribute means the victim cant pursue further action after they sign the waiver attached to the redress scheme). Sadly it’s happened to our own, by our own as well - not just them, but any beast needs found out, exposed and punished. 

[Assegai 66,368]

11 hours ago, SouthSide1994 said:

I know this is just against them, but abuse needs to be spoken about more often. The Scottish government is rightfully putting out the redress scheme for victims of abuse in foster care, residential homes etc and it’s frightening to see the amount of organisations and religions that have signed up to contribute (if they contribute means the victim cant pursue further action after they sign the waiver attached to the redress scheme). Sadly it’s happened to our own, by our own as well - not just them, but any beast needs found out, exposed and punished. 

Strange first post. 

[RFC55 110,230]

11 hours ago, SouthSide1994 said:

I know this is just against them, but abuse needs to be spoken about more often. The Scottish government is rightfully putting out the redress scheme for victims of abuse in foster care, residential homes etc and it’s frightening to see the amount of organisations and religions that have signed up to contribute (if they contribute means the victim cant pursue further action after they sign the waiver attached to the redress scheme). Sadly it’s happened to our own, by our own as well - not just them, but any beast needs found out, exposed and punished. 

Yous had 285+ victims, a paedophile ring within sport like no other.

Vile fucking bastards.

We are defo not half of anybting with you cunts 

[Copland bear 7,966]

Our board should cancel the game in Australia stating we can't be involved with celtic with their current state due to impending court case dilemmas.  

[Colin Traive 23,234]

4 hours ago, Copland bear said:

Our board should cancel the game in Australia stating we can't be involved with celtic with their current state due to impending court case dilemmas.  

Nobody will touch David Goodwillie with a barge pole and any club that tries is the spawn of Satan. Goodwillie has never been found guilty but had to pay in civil court action.

The scum are officially answerable for a minimum of 22 child abuse cases although the actual figure, excluding those already dead, is closer to 300, yet life goes on as if nothing has happened.

This country makes me ashamed sometimes.

[magic8ball 27,904]

56 minutes ago, Colin Traive said:

Nobody will touch David Goodwillie with a barge pole and any club that tries is the spawn of Satan. Goodwillie has never been found guilty but had to pay in civil court action.

The scum are officially answerable for a minimum of 22 child abuse cases although the actual figure, excluding those already dead, is closer to 300, yet life goes on as if nothing has happened.

This country makes me ashamed sometimes.

There are so many instances in western culture where CSA seems less of a crime than adult rape .

But the polar opposite attitude of this Holyrood administration really is something else .

Goodwillie wasn’t even tried as there was not enough evidence ,Meanwhile there have been numerous convictions from one club .Scotgov won’t even engage with the victims .Disgusting .

[Blue Nosed Babe 20,991]

2 hours ago, Colin Traive said:

Nobody will touch David Goodwillie with a barge pole and any club that tries is the spawn of Satan. Goodwillie has never been found guilty but had to pay in civil court action.

The scum are officially answerable for a minimum of 22 child abuse cases although the actual figure, excluding those already dead, is closer to 300, yet life goes on as if nothing has happened.

This country makes me ashamed sometimes.

No Goodwillie declared bankruptcy to avoid paying out. Furthermore it was incompetence not insufficiency that led to no prosecution. The toxicological reports and expert evidence in the civil case clearly showed the lady was incapable of consenting. That and the cctv footage.

There is currently a private prosecution attempt starting because of this 

[Bears r us 30,998]

You have to feel so much for Michelle Gray, her Mum and so many others. Sturgeon has let them all down so badly:

 

[Canabear 4,583]

56 minutes ago, Bears r us said:

You have to feel so much for Michelle Gray, her Mum and so many others. Sturgeon has let them all down so badly:

 

That , in any other Country in the World , would see the downfall of those in charge and if spotlight are hinting that it's bigger than what we know already she should be finished. SHOULD BE but I won't be holding my breathe.