BlueSuedeSambas 53,941 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 44 minutes ago, McEwan's Lager said: I’ve said this on here loads of times but imo Jack is wasted in that position. He’s at his best as a right of centre box to box player (where it’s looking Lundstram will play) - sadly I think the way his body is he just can’t go the distance there week in week out. I agree but with his injury record that’s why I think he might play that deeper role going forward. A bit less movement and a far less dynamic role might be how we try and preserve his fitness and body going forward. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prso's headband 35,583 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 He’s what we’ve been missing I think, almost like a Jack/Arfield hybrid on just a slightly better level. Can’t wait to see him play here, he’ll never shy out a challenge and is very strongly built for this league. kelvd1873, Bluekev and graeme_4 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
southcoastbear 1,639 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Prso's headband said: He’s what we’ve been missing I think, almost like a Jack/Arfield hybrid on just a slightly better level. Can’t wait to see him play here, he’ll never shy out a challenge and is very strongly built for this league. Like the mythical John Eustace but in the flesh do you mean? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BladeinPeace 31 Posted July 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2021 15 hours ago, SwallowsHisOwnSpunk said: That’s not really a CDM. We already have Davis, Kamara (and Kelly if he sticks around) who play in that way. A combative midfielder is more of a priority as the only one at the minute is Ryan Jack and he can’t be trusted to play all season due to his injury record. Going by what the Sheffield United fan posted on here it would suggest he is indeed a CDM but like Jack he likes to get box to box and contribute going forward when needed. The way we played, Norwood was the one who stayed furthest back and dictated our play, picking it up from deep and spreading the passes around. Lundstram was the one who'd get forward most often, and if you look at his goals for us they're him arriving late in and around the box. All of our players aside from maybe Norwood and Egan (the centre of the back three) were expected to cover a lot of ground and drop into different positions to cover as wing-backs and the other two central defenders pushed up to support wide play, meaning Lundstram at different times did everything from playmaker to covering at right-back. Ultimately part of our undoing goes down to how hard it's been to find such versatile players. And I'm sure you lads have found highlights reels for him, but here's the tackle on Grealish I mentioned. I can watch it all day. jersey-rangers, BookWorm, Skyson1872 and 5 others 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GersInCanada 7,775 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Can't say that I know much about him but I enjoyed listening to his interview on H&H. Just a gut feeling but I think we going to enjoy watching him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
writingranger 1,423 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Should add some grit and and alternative to the injury prone Jack and Arfield. jersey-rangers 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertN 390 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Looks like he might offer some more directness and strength to our midfield Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeNextGuy 3 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Sheffield United fan here Lundstram signed for us in the Championship and when our midfield maestro at the time Paul Coutts got a serious injury before Christmas, he was the direct replacement. In that first season, he couldn't fill Coutts' boots at all. He tries his best, but he just didn't have the ability to play the role of dictating play in the midfield. We slumped to a mid table finish which directly coincided with the injury and Lundstram coming into the side. In our second season back in the Championship, he couldn't get a game. Oli Norwood came in and played the playmaker role, Fleck played a box to box role and Mark Duffy playing behind the strikers. We got promoted to the Premier League, finishing 2nd. In the first season in the Premier League, a change in system, and the departure of Mark Duffy meant we played a flat 3 in midfield. Lundstram was sprung into the team at RCM, in a box to box role to the surprise of almost every Blade. He had a knack of popping up with goals in the first half of the season, arriving late in the box. However if he didn't score, he was generally a 6.5/10. Solid, but rarely impacted a game. The mini run of goals didn't last particularly long either. In the second season in the Championship, more or less everyone was awful. The manager seemed to have lost the plot, and he'd play the same system that was clearly not working every week. Lundstram was completely ineffective, but not really worse than anyone else. He got a lot of stick due to not wanting to sign a new contract, and most Blades thought he'd have no chance at securing a contract with another PL side. You've got yourself a player, literally. I've no idea what he'll bring to your side that'll amaze you, but he could be a solid enough squad player. VanVeenRangers, Brackley Bluenose and WilliamMunny 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahalfallover 29 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 should bring physical strength to the midfield, welcome to ibrox Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart1994 4,304 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 On paper looks decent but like every other signing will wait till he kicks a ball before judging him. born a blue nose 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broxi 11,516 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 I’m in a wait and see mood with this transfer. By all accounts he’s been honking recently and seen many people say he’s only really had a brief spell of good form which is probably where most of the excitement is coming from. I believe that there’s a good player in there, I’m going to wait and see if we actually get it. Low risk, high potential, free transfer who won’t weaken the team, happy with it. If someone like Kamara leaves though I’d hope for another addition. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart1994 4,304 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 On 06/07/2021 at 19:42, SwallowsHisOwnSpunk said: You are saying a CDM collects the ball from deep and dictates play. I’m saying that isn’t the role of a CDM. Davis & Kamara play in the way you described and they definitely aren’t CDM’s. A CDM is someone who will break up play and get stuck into the opposition attacking midfielders this description matches Ryan Jack (and going by what was posted on here earlier Lundstrum aswell) more than Davis or Kamara. Think that’s too much of a generalisation of a ‘CDM’ it’s just a position on the park the role they play is up to the system. For example Makalele sat the deepest of the midfield and was totally defensive where as someone like Pirlo was the deepest midfielder but was far more focused on the attacking phases of the game. Hadron Collider 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadron Collider 31,031 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Just now, stuart1994 said: Think that’s too much of a generalisation of a ‘CDM’ it’s just a position on the park the role they play is up to the system. For example Makalele sat the deepest of the midfield and was totally defensive where as someone like Pirlo was the deepest midfielder but was far more focused on the attacking phases of the game. Here you! Don’t be adding to the confusion already on this. 🍻 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 30,958 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 One good season for a 27 yr old is not great stats. Didn't cut it at Everton followed by six loans to small clubs. But if anyone can get the best out of a player it is Gerrard. We haven't had a ball winner in midfield for years. Hopefully we all get to assess him on Saturday. Robmc1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullies_bowly_legs 3,838 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 5 hours ago, stuart1994 said: For example Makalele sat the deepest of the midfield and was totally defensive where as someone like Pirlo was the deepest midfielder but was far more focused on the attacking phases of the game. Makalele probably the best holding midfielder I’ve seen in my 60 years watching the game. For me he was actually the player that made Chelsea tick, not the big names in front of him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brackley Bluenose 4,479 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 On 07/07/2021 at 18:10, SomeNextGuy said: Sheffield United fan here Lundstram signed for us in the Championship and when our midfield maestro at the time Paul Coutts got a serious injury before Christmas, he was the direct replacement. In that first season, he couldn't fill Coutts' boots at all. He tries his best, but he just didn't have the ability to play the role of dictating play in the midfield. We slumped to a mid table finish which directly coincided with the injury and Lundstram coming into the side. In our second season back in the Championship, he couldn't get a game. Oli Norwood came in and played the playmaker role, Fleck played a box to box role and Mark Duffy playing behind the strikers. We got promoted to the Premier League, finishing 2nd. In the first season in the Premier League, a change in system, and the departure of Mark Duffy meant we played a flat 3 in midfield. Lundstram was sprung into the team at RCM, in a box to box role to the surprise of almost every Blade. He had a knack of popping up with goals in the first half of the season, arriving late in the box. However if he didn't score, he was generally a 6.5/10. Solid, but rarely impacted a game. The mini run of goals didn't last particularly long either. In the second season in the Championship, more or less everyone was awful. The manager seemed to have lost the plot, and he'd play the same system that was clearly not working every week. Lundstram was completely ineffective, but not really worse than anyone else. He got a lot of stick due to not wanting to sign a new contract, and most Blades thought he'd have no chance at securing a contract with another PL side. You've got yourself a player, literally. I've no idea what he'll bring to your side that'll amaze you, but he could be a solid enough squad player. I must admit mate I used to work for Oxford United so would often go and watch them and I was surprised he got a move to a higher level when he left Oxford and went to you. Your summary of him sounds fairly average and I’ll take your word for that because there were lengthy spells where he couldn’t get in your team even when it was struggling last season. what I would say is he’ll be better for the premier league experience and to be fair to our recruitment team they don’t get many wrong so I’ll put my trust in them with this one that they think he can do a job. SomeNextGuy and Robmc1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robmc1 4,741 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 8 hours ago, bluenoz said: But if anyone can get the best out of a player it is Gerrard. We haven't had a ball winner in midfield for years. Hopefully we all get to assess him on Saturday. I have absolutely no doubt Gerrard knows exactly how he will use and develop him to full effect in this league. On top of this, after watching his interview, if Gerrard asked him to jump through burning hoops (excuse the phrase) he’d do it and in the process try 110% to please the manager. Of course things may not go to plan but on looking at recruitment to date I have every faith in this signing. Good luck JL… jersey-rangers 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamMunny 3,243 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 He deserves a chance but we still need to look at another CM. Jack has his injury issues. Davis and Arfield are getting on. Kamara could leave. Ofoborh and Kelly are still young and untested. Aribo and Hagi are better further up. Another CM of good quality (especially if Kamara leaves) is definitely required. plymouthranger 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast 9,230 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 On 06/07/2021 at 20:21, DBBTB said: I agree but with his injury record that’s why I think he might play that deeper role going forward. A bit less movement and a far less dynamic role might be how we try and preserve his fitness and body going forward. SG obviously wants at least two candidates for each position and role within his system. We hadnt got anyone else who does what Jack does, until now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk and disorderly. 14,514 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Upon teflection SG could make him a great midfielder. Kamara and jack cost 10 season tickets. John has at least 3 years left in his legs. Striding into tiles... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Shaw 30,636 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 9 hours ago, Drunk and disorderly. said: Upon teflection SG could make him a great midfielder. Kamara and jack cost 10 season tickets. John has at least 3 years left in his legs. Striding into tiles... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Shaw 30,636 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Three years striding into tiles is gonny fuck his legs up imo Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk and disorderly. 14,514 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 27 minutes ago, Tiger Shaw said: My keyboard and I were out drinking all last night Adolf. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Shaw 30,636 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 24 minutes ago, Drunk and disorderly. said: My keyboard and I were out drinking all last night Adolf. Think your keyboard rattled a couple lines of Ketamine mate born a blue nose 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeNextGuy 3 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 On 08/07/2021 at 23:36, Brackley Bluenose said: I must admit mate I used to work for Oxford United so would often go and watch them and I was surprised he got a move to a higher level when he left Oxford and went to you. Your summary of him sounds fairly average and I’ll take your word for that because there were lengthy spells where he couldn’t get in your team even when it was struggling last season. what I would say is he’ll be better for the premier league experience and to be fair to our recruitment team they don’t get many wrong so I’ll put my trust in them with this one that they think he can do a job. He was rarely ever the worst player on the pitch, just a bit underwhelming and ineffectual. He's got an engine, and like a said, at the very least he'd be a useful midfield squad option in a long, hard season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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