McEwan's Lager 30,571 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 20 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said: Decent player as is Devine (right back) but anyone thinking they’re first team options is living on cloud cuckoo land. The one criticism I have of Devine at this stage of his development is that he clearly models his game on someone like Andy Robertson which is totally fine but I wish he would sometimes take a touch and look up. He plays nearly everything one touch as soon as the ball comes to him. Having said that I really like him and think he is a decent player. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 42,957 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 20 minutes ago, psb07158 said: Crackpot logic on show in this thread Give them the £500k and get him in immediately. Balogun has had injury issues this year, Helander is still not even back training yet Helander is back training but Gio doesn't think he is ready for this game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 74,118 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 56 minutes ago, McEwan's Lager said: The one criticism I have of Devine at this stage of his development is that he clearly models his game on someone like Andy Robertson which is totally fine but I wish he would sometimes take a touch and look up. He plays nearly everything one touch as soon as the ball comes to him. Having said that I really like him and think he is a decent player. Both of them are modern full backs but a long long way from first team level. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Neilson just said there he's no problem playing him and called it 'part and parcel of football'. Confirmed he knew of talks before announcement he'd signed too. Bluekev 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 42,957 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, The Dude said: Neilson just said there he's no problem playing him and called it 'part and parcel of football'. Confirmed he knew of talks before announcement he'd signed too. See the reaction he gets tomorrow night then. They'll be seething. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, The Dude said: Neilson just said there he's no problem playing him and called it 'part and parcel of football'. Confirmed he knew of talks before announcement he'd signed too. Whilst I don't doubt that is the case at all, Neilson will be doing his best to protect Souttar from their fans. He is going to get dogs abuse until he moves across to us. Bluekev and Hadron Collider 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, psb07158 said: Whilst I don't doubt that is the case at all, Neilson will be doing his best to protect Souttar from their fans. He is going to get dogs abuse until he moves across to us. Says there had been talks for weeks and he'd already knocked Hearts bid back. He said its a good move for him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TamCoopz 19,605 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 4 hours ago, FlippinEck said: Certainly without knowing the full facts, ibwould think twice about my comments in the future. Knowing what a bitter cunt Levein has been, especially since his Dundee Utd days, I obviously read a bit more into his comments than I should have even though I still think there was no need for him to say he wouldn't have signed for us any other way. Good job that’s not what he said then MisterC and Sparkle 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKnight87 17,315 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Doesn't look like he's in the plans for this window. Bears r us 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 https://www.rangersnews.uk/news/robbie-neilson-gives-verdict-on-john-souttars-impending-rangers-transfer/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangersross 6,530 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 I assume Souttar asked Levein to share that personal information to cool things with the Hearts fans because he knows he's not coming here until the summer. The Dude 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McEwan's Lager 30,571 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 I quite like Souttar, think he has his dodgy moments, but he will be a useful addition to the squad. I know he's got a long way to go to nail a start, and this is a bit of a romantic notion, but I kind of think that we should always have a Scotland centre half in the heart of the backline. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theweebluenose 4,332 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 2 hours ago, psb07158 said: Crackpot logic on show in this thread Give them the £500k and get him in immediately. Balogun has had injury issues this year, Helander is still not even back training yet If 500k is enough to get him here early it's an absolute no brainer, considering we supposedly spent around 500k on Edmundson then spending that on Souttar is an absolute bargain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beararse 6,383 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Always think if you can get a player on a pre-contract you should try and find a way to facilitate an early release. Even if we are well placed in terms of first picks, it does no harm getting them in early to get used to the club and expectations. Worst case, it helps them settle. Best case, we improve the first team. Might also accelerate the sale of a player and allow Rangers to cash in on previously unthinkable sale, comfortable with the back up rather than hoping any replacement hits the ground running. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoGeo7 10,557 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Think we are just playing hardball and will put in a lower offer at deadline day. We did exactly the same with Kamara, agreed the pre-contract 5th January and he signed for £50k on 31st January. cascadeshrimp, Robmc1 and BlueKnight87 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueboyG 5,255 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Let him play for Hearts against scum then bring him in. BlueAvenger and Jacklondon 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat 4,511 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Welcome to the best club in the world John. Give us your best in every game - that's all we ask. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 4 hours ago, NeoGeo7 said: Think we are just playing hardball and will put in a lower offer at deadline day. We did exactly the same with Kamara, agreed the pre-contract 5th January and he signed for £50k on 31st January. Kamara couldn't buy a game for Dundee when he signed for us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Traive 22,857 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Hearts playing Auchinleck Talbot on Saturday in Scottish Cup. If Souttar, plays then we can’t use him. Assuming they’re still playing hardball, be interesting to see if they play him, thereby reducing the value/price they demand from us, or do they leave him out (because of the opposition) and hope we’ll cave and pay the 500k? Gio is playing it right with his “we’ll see him next season” approach imo. Helander back in training and Sands as emergency CB if needed so we’re far from desperate. £100k plus they can have the pick of our duds - get it done, Rangers Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Colin Traive said: Hearts playing Auchinleck Talbot on Saturday in Scottish Cup. If Souttar, plays then we can’t use him. Assuming they’re still playing hardball, be interesting to see if they play him, thereby reducing the value/price they demand from us, or do they leave him out (because of the opposition) and hope we’ll cave and pay the 500k? Gio is playing it right with his “we’ll see him next season” approach imo. Helander back in training and Sands as emergency CB if needed so we’re far from desperate. £100k plus they can have the pick of our duds - get it done, Rangers Would you take 100k and the pick of someone's duds for one of our best players? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Traive 22,857 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, The Dude said: Would you take 100k and the pick of someone's duds for one of our best players? If they take that offer, they’ll finish third. If they say no, they’ll finish third. Seems straightforward to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Colin Traive said: If they take that offer, they’ll finish third. If they say no, they’ll finish third. Seems straightforward to me. Also a complete guess. They could quite easily be fourth by next week. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakbear 3,586 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 11 hours ago, The Dude said: Also a complete guess. They could quite easily be fourth by next week. Genuine question because I don’t know the answer. What are the financial implications to Hearts between finishing 3rd versus finishing 4th. I assume Europe is a factor ? Edit: I googled it myself. There is 200k difference between the prize money and both 3rd and 4th go into the Europa conference competition. Given that, it is hard to see how they can argue that he is worth 500k to them over The last 4 months of the season. But they own his contract so it’s up to them Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, Bakbear said: Genuine question because I don’t know the answer. What are the financial implications to Hearts between finishing 3rd versus finishing 4th. I assume Europe is a factor ? Edit: I googled it myself. There is 200k difference between the prize money and both 3rd and 4th go into the Europa conference competition. Given that, it is hard to see how they can argue that he is worth 500k to them over The last 4 months of the season. But they own his contract so it’s up to them If Rangers or Celtic win the Scottish Cup, third place will go from the Conference League to Europa League playoff and are effectively guaranteed group stage football next season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Jock Wallace 858 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 20 hours ago, The Dude said: Neilson just said there he's no problem playing him and called it 'part and parcel of football'. Confirmed he knew of talks before announcement he'd signed too. Neilson has to say this. Hearts are pushing for the maximum fee from us including sell on clauses, so they're hardly going to say he won't feature for the rest of the season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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