Rangers statement

[Jamie0202 12,565]

57 minutes ago, theiconicman said:

Also the first time I've known a big game and the media don't get the VAR audio.

In the 2nd half when they pulled up their wee lines to show the off-side, half an hour after the incident, Crocker admitted to having the VAR audio from Collum and even joked that he wished Collum had told them this at the time.

I'm convinced that the offside decision wasn't the reason why we didn't get the penalty and it was a lucky covering arses spot by someone. Collum saying that the hand was in a natural position kinda backs this up.

[Malkytfp1 18,789]

2 minutes ago, Jamie0202 said:

In the 2nd half when they pulled up their wee lines to show the off-side, half an hour after the incident, Crocker admitted to having the VAR audio from Collum and even joked that he wished Collum had told them this at the time.

I'm convinced that the offside decision wasn't the reason why we didn't get the penalty and it was a lucky covering arses spot by someone. Collum saying that the hand was in a natural position kinda backs this up.

Spot on. Guaranteed there is no conversation about offside at the time.

[Loyal72 12,330]

The crux of the matter is the officials didn't know anything about offside at the time, the broadcasting partner didn't know anything about it, play was waved on with no offside signal.

So if they're discounting the offside entirely in the review - we want to know why a penalty wouldn't have been given, and the only way to know what was being said and the thought process for that period is to get the audio released.

What was the real time discussion for a player punching the ball out the park, offside off the table.

[6superbarry6 14,266]

No even convinced by the Sima offside tbh, seen nowhere near enough to prove conclusively that he’s offside they could easily manipulate that one still as a get out of jail. 

[Loyal72 12,330]

Why was there minimal replays during the game btw? This got missed as well.

[kelvd1873 7,431]

2 hours ago, BigDak said:

Mate, I get that you're pissed off at this team for losing another big game but it's decisions like that which turn games. If we'd got a pen and scored it then that would've completely changed the game.

Some folks just can’t see it mate. 3rd game out of 5 against them where we have had a major decision go against us and it has impacted the score but serial losers n that.. who needs enemies? 

[Hadron Collider 31,414]

To be fair to Walsh I think his view was blocked by Johnstons right eye. 

[five stars 1,739]

It wasn't given as offside. Collum didn't think it was a penalty. Bizarre 

[SeparateEntityMyArse 54,338]

15 minutes ago, Loyal72 said:

The crux of the matter is the officials didn't know anything about offside at the time, the broadcasting partner didn't know anything about it, play was waved on with no offside signal.

So if they're discounting the offside entirely in the review - we want to know why a penalty wouldn't have been given, and the only way to know what was being said and the thought process for that period is to get the audio released.

What was the real time discussion for a player punching the ball out the park, offside off the table.

Exactly that.

I've said it earlier but Walsh gave a goal kick so clearly didn't acknowledge / see Johnsons hand contact (deliberate, accidental, whatever).

Collum has reviewed it and HE has made a personal decision - natural position of arm causing contact. This is re refereeing and contrary to var protocols.

If var seeing a handball the ref hadn't, and the var ref applying his own decisionmaking to it isn't contradicting vars role then fuck knows where we go. It's a clear and obvious error that Walsh should review and HE should determine whether its a pen or natural arm position etc.

We've got Collum fucking it here and we should pursue it relentlessly. There's a huge can of worms here that we can't allow any offside nonsense to sidetrack. 

[psb07158 33,876]

7 minutes ago, Loyal72 said:

Why was there minimal replays during the game btw? This got missed as well.

Wasn’t that a shot from Cantwell that deflected off one of those players onto the hand though

Pretty sure not a pen in Scotland/England, but UEFA tend to still give them due to the hand position there 

[Colin Traive 23,282]

4 minutes ago, Loyal72 said:

The crux of the matter is the officials didn't know anything about offside at the time, the broadcasting partner didn't know anything about it, play was waved on with no offside signal.

So if they're discounting the offside entirely in the review - we want to know why a penalty wouldn't have been given, and the only way to know what was being said and the thought process for that period is to get the audio released.

What was the real time discussion for a player punching the ball out the park, offside off the table.

This is the crux of the matter.

The question of offside was a complete afterthought, a salvage job half a hour later when a corrupt decision became more and more obvious.

The reason that nobody at the broadcaster heard it mentioned is because none of the officials (VAR or onfield) had even considered it at that point.

The picture released later showing the offside line was taken, not at the point of Lundstram kicking but instead, after the ball is away. Distorting the facts in this way only serves to make the whole thing stink even more.

The club have to see this through and demand the audio which, I can guarantee, will not feature the word “offside” at any point.

Naked corruption, exposed and undeniable.

[SeparateEntityMyArse 54,338]

3 minutes ago, psb07158 said:

Wasn’t that a shot from Cantwell that deflected off one of those players onto the hand though

Pretty sure not a pen in Scotland/England, but UEFA tend to still give them due to the hand position there 

There were several where there were no replays of what might have been handball.

[Loyal72 12,330]

4 minutes ago, psb07158 said:

Wasn’t that a shot from Cantwell that deflected off one of those players onto the hand though

Pretty sure not a pen in Scotland/England, but UEFA tend to still give them due to the hand position there 

Possibly. But I'd have thought with the hand position it was still a pen.

[Blue Nosed Babe 21,028]

We need to pursue this. Time to stop them pressuring officials using their compliant media.

[kelvd1873 7,431]

16 minutes ago, Loyal72 said:

Why was there minimal replays during the game btw? This got missed as well.

There is ALWAYS minimal replays in old firms when we are the potential benefactors… celtic on the other hand… replays galore.

[RS4_wul 4,159]

23 minutes ago, Jamie0202 said:

In the 2nd half when they pulled up their wee lines to show the off-side, half an hour after the incident, Crocker admitted to having the VAR audio from Collum and even joked that he wished Collum had told them this at the time.

I'm convinced that the offside decision wasn't the reason why we didn't get the penalty and it was a lucky covering arses spot by someone. Collum saying that the hand was in a natural position kinda backs this up.

This one isn't up for debate bud.

Not getting the penalty had absolutely zero to do with an offside as they were awarded a goal kick, not an indirect free kick.

Offside narrative is just a smokescreen to deflect from collum ignoring the most blatant of hand balls 

[6superbarry6 14,266]

Need to pursue this all the way and drive Collum out of the game for good, maybe then some of the other corrupt cunts will think twice. 

[kelvd1873 7,431]

You know what if collum thinks he and Walsh have done nothing wrong they should have no issue releasing the audio should they? 

[TheMightyGer 58]

I'm glad we put out something. I expect that our statement is as much about putting pressure on the officials going forward as it is about highlighting todays incident. They should know they need to think twice next time before just deciding against us on a whim. The tims have been doing this shit for years about time we did too.

[GA1972 9,848]

15 minutes ago, psb07158 said:

Wasn’t that a shot from Cantwell that deflected off one of those players onto the hand though

Pretty sure not a pen in Scotland/England, but UEFA tend to still give them due to the hand position there 

They are almost invariably VAR checked 

Not necessarily given but always checked 

[1690KWilliam 170]

Before today I didn’t have Collum in the same bracket as Clancy.   I do now 

[GA1972 9,848]

8 minutes ago, 1690KWilliam said:

Before today I didn’t have Collum in the same bracket as Clancy.   I do now 

I’d agree with that. Always thought Collum was just a really bad ref and that everyone in Scotland even scum fans would say the same. A guy who likes to make it about him, almost like an uglier, Scottish version of Lahoz 

However what we seen from him today was either the highest form of shitting it from the pressure he was under or it was just cheating pure and simple. I’m not convinced it wasn’t the latter 

[Rowley Birkin 9,350]

4 hours ago, JWAC said:

It should be stressed that the decision was correct in the end as Abdallah Sima was offside in the build-up.

i said the club would make some noise then let it die the fact they are happy with the decision of it being offside suggests as such

what they should be asking for is both the audio and video in every case more so in this one as some pics are showing that the ball had already been kicked before the players had step forward for them to claim offside and follow it up by questioning every aspect of the decision 

but they wont and thats why the media wont question any real decision against us

[Bristoe1872 2,654]

The audio will be in Dundee FC's spam folder. 

[SeparateEntityMyArse 54,338]

More chance of us getting done for bringing the game into disrepute than the SFA releasing the audio.

Genuinely.