East London Loyal 419 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 15 minutes ago, McEwan's Lager said: Big 6 seem hell bent on forcing some kind of change through. The playoff idea again, its clear the Americans just don't get it. There would be an uproar just as big as the Super League ideal if they pushed a World Series / Super Bowl type game for the Championship. Us and them offer a marginal improvement in marketability and revenue generation... but again, I think that can't be relied upon. If clubs like Villa and Newcastle can be relegated so can we. A Rangers and celtic that aren't scrapping for titles but are scrapping for a Europa League spot, mid table or worse is not the money spinner people think it would be. Reputational risk for the PL as well. Our fans and their fans would be in the papers every week. Playoff system wouldn't take off. Supporters wouldn't take to it. Regarding your point about relegation; sure it could happen. It would all depend on how Rangers used their extra resource. Fans in the papers would definitely happen. The other side of Glasgow would be as welcome as the plague. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McEwan's Lager 30,225 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, East London Loyal said: Obviously the SFA would be against it, but not the FAW or IFA. They wouldn't be included, it doesn't impact their leagues either. Now for me, it's a dangerous game for us down here adding a giant club in Rangers to the league. It hurts my clubs chances, because access to the league will give Rangers more resources. Other clubs that are traditionally on the periphery of challenging for the 1-6 spots could also be trying to swim upstream with other big club in the league. In terms of size, only Man United and Liverpool are bigger than Rangers. In an act of self-preservation, Rangers fans shouldn't and won't care about the impact of their inclusion in the league, neither about harming the pyramid they'd leave behind after how the club was treated in 2012. Sorry yeah, agree on the first par, it was more of a follow on from my previous about how I would only support something which was fair in terms of integrating the pyramids of all four home nations. Otherwise it's not a British League. On your last par I don't agree. Scotland has just largely integrated Junior football into the pyramid for the first time. Some of those clubs are 'bigger' than clubs who have been in an elected Scottish League for 100 years. Not every club in then SFL, or in the now fully integrated pyramid kicked us while we were down, they deserve to dream too no matter how unrealistic it is. The principle for me is that if we are to have a British League then Rathfriland Rangers should have as much theoretical opportunity to get to the top as Paget Rangers, Queens Park Rangers, Brora Rangers or Rangers FC. drewgardiner88 and Bears&Reds 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
East London Loyal 419 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 minute ago, McEwan's Lager said: Sorry yeah, agree on the first par, it was more of a follow on from my previous about how I would only support something which was fair in terms of integrating the pyramids of all four home nations. Otherwise it's not a British League. On your last par I don't agree. Scotland has just largely integrated Junior football into the pyramid for the first time. Some of those clubs are 'bigger' than clubs who have been in an elected Scottish League for 100 years. Not every club in then SFL, or in the now fully integrated pyramid kicked us while we were down, they deserve to dream too no matter how unrealistic it is. The principle for me is that if we are to have a British League then Rathfriland Rangers should have as much theoretical opportunity to get to the top as Paget Rangers, Queens Park Rangers, Brora Rangers or Rangers FC. I'd like a fully integrated pyramid, but I'd be thinking of the away days. I have no idea how it would work, other than the lower the leagues you go, the more regional it becomes e.g., conference north and south. I fully take on your second point. McEwan's Lager and JograBear 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk and disorderly. 14,178 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Seems like the sun are making shite up yet again and their so called inside sources are their own writers. Making their own news. Only the most gullable in society think that newspaper reports honest facts. The irony of celic playing in a British leauge. Supporters with tricolours, an ira songsheet and the hate of everything English/unionist/protestant. The Dude, mearns loyal, graeme_4 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkytfp1 18,474 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 The ideal scenario would be money at least on par with most other leagues put into the Scottish game. Sky will never do it though and we have an FA who are useless a.f. This may be the only way forward or we will be left behind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaiserJon 12,304 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 41 minutes ago, Jeffrey said: We'd take about 30k to Newcastle away We took a fair few to the pre season at Newcastle back in the day of what I can remember 🙄 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McEwan's Lager 30,225 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 33 minutes ago, East London Loyal said: I'd like a fully integrated pyramid, but I'd be thinking of the away days. I have no idea how it would work, other than the lower the leagues you go, the more regional it becomes e.g., conference north and south. I fully take on your second point. Full integration with cascading regionalised divisions down would be difficult but not impossible if you did it over a series of transition years. The Scottish Challenge Cup provides something of a useful start for a yardstick on where the National League, SPFL League 1 and below, Welsh League and Irish League sit in relation to each other. You may have to have a sectional 80 team National League (like Spain's 2B), with ELO ranked inter-sectional play across 4 seasons of those teams. At the end of it you would have a relative ranking of the teams against each other and have placement based on points across those seasons. Or you could scrap that and just say that SPFL League 1, Welsh League, Irish League and National League all sit at the same level and it's 4 up 4 down into League 2, but that wouldn't really test relative strength. Same for a Premiership and Championship - the big Welsh teams are already in the Championship, no need to factor that complication, but you could take the top 24 clubs in England across the previous 5 seasons and put them in a league with the ranked best 6 Scottish teams across 5 seasons and have a slowly diminishing league until its down to 20/18 whatever you want over a 4 year period. That's similar to what Argentina have done recently. Then the other 6 Scottish teams are in an enlarged Championship with the same principles. SPFL Championship teams split across League 1 and 2 under the same principles. Million ways to cut the cake. Will take complicated math, time and effort to do it fairly. Not sure those transitional seasons at the top make it financially the type of thing Glazer et al want though Let's face it if by some miracle it was to happen then its going to be Rangers and Celtic into the English pyramid with either relegation back to Scotland or just leaving the SPFL structure altogether - it's not going to be done fairly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanRain 2,845 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 More chance of The Super League making a comeback. Rangers#1 and Drunk and disorderly. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,449 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Reforms of the EPL must happen now that much is clear. I wouldn't be shocked if there was something in this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,449 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 The journalist is highly respected btw. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 81,333 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Won’t happen BillyG91 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyG91 5,397 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 If it’s a British league sure but fuck joining the EPL. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mus 1,370 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 4 hours ago, KingKirk said: Reforms of the EPL must happen now that much is clear. I wouldn't be shocked if there was something in this. Well that's just confirmed that it won't happen Drunk and disorderly., Bluekev and TamCoopz 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essandoh 21,081 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Canny believe people are believing this Bluekev and Rangers_no1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
left winger 13,897 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Anything involving the words football and US Style can fuck right off. Leeds_Bear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brackley Bluenose 4,478 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Bite your hand off for this and I’d honestly question any Rangers fan that would prefer us to stay in the little backwater is the SPL! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raligt 2,541 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Wont happen. PAPEr talk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbGER 24,505 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Meh Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Bear 8,059 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 9 hours ago, McEwan's Lager said: Play offs for the League title can fuck off - we aren't the US or Australia. In two minds on this. Firstly I would only support this if there was full pyramid integration between Scotland, England, Northern Ireland and Wales with some kind of transitional seasons to ensure integration is fair and teams find their relative level. The problem is I don't think we would be able to compete regularly with the top 4/5 year on year consistently. It would mean significantly less title days, possibly not ever seeing one again in my lifetime. I genuinely like going home and away in Scotland, doing that week in week out from here to Southampton would likely mean missing out on many games a season. On that last point, we’d still sell out our away allocation for every game due to all the RSCs up and down the country. Take your point though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McEwan's Lager 30,225 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Just now, Leeds_Bear said: On that last point, we’d still sell out our away allocation for every game due to all the RSCs up and down the country. Take your point though. Yeah I mean from a purely selfish reason. In normal, non COVID times, I probably miss out on about 3/4 away domestic games a season. It’s mostly mid week games if I’ve got something big on at work and I can’t knock off early to get my RSC bus on time. I think the last game I couldn’t get a ticket was East Fife in the League Cup. If we were playing down south as well I’d expect corporate and hospitality to really push for a bigger away ticket allocation. Leeds_Bear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 63,784 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Used to really want this growing up but now I really don't. OhW, Laudrupsleftfoot and TamCoopz 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurrayWilson 3,260 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 This has been brought up every couple of year since about 1995, its not happened yet and it wont happen now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,203 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Would bring fantastic income, better quality of player. Realistically we’d never seriously challenge for another title though. I couldn’t really see us becoming serious contenders in that league unfortunately. Id still love to go for it though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelavic191 4,265 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Not sure I’d want this tbh. The big clubs down there are miles ahead and, while we may eventually catch up, Rangers becoming mid table shite fighting to finish 7th is not for me. I could see there being political reasons behind this though if they feel it integrates Scottish people more into British society. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk and disorderly. 14,178 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 57 minutes ago, MurrayWilson said: This has been brought up every couple of year since about 1995, its not happened yet and it wont happen now. Comes up every other week on here in one guise or another. A total fantasy imo. MurrayWilson 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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