Popular Post RealWorldRich 869 Posted May 28 Popular Post Share Posted May 28 When celtic lost 2-0 at Tynecastle a couple of months back they received a red card early in the game when Yang caught Cochrane in the face with his studs, with his boot raised nearly 6ft in the air. I reckon if you asked 100 ref's from 100 countries they would all arrive at the same conclusion; red card. But, surprise surprise, the ref on the pitch missed it and it was up to the VAR to recommend a review. The VAR was John Beaton, and despite doing his job in sending the ref to the monitor for the most obvious red card you'll see all season, Brendan Rodgers spent the post-match interviews and pressers going after him: "My feeling is that the game was decided by the officials – on the field and outside of the field,” "For John Beaton to actually look at that in VAR, supposedly under no pressure, and say that was sending off? I find that incredible." "it was a poor day for the officials." “I also think as well that VAR is not the problem here, that’s clear, It’s competence. And I think the first one is a great example of the game being refereed outside of the pitch." Now, fast forward to the cup final on Saturday, with John Beaton on VAR - is it any real surprise he's folded under pressure when faced with a probable game-deciding decision? There's another point to make here; Joe Hart himself took a booking by chasing the ref 50 yards up the pitch to ask for a foul. If he doesn't complain, does Beaton even think twice about the jostling that went on at the corner? Probably not. celtic wanted a decision, Beaton folded and gave them it. The price was a Brendan Rodgers ban and fine earlier in the season and booking for Joe the flapper. The reality is I could go on for pages about how their culture of pressure and intimidation of refs and officials, from Hugh Dallas getting coined in face, to Dougie McDonald being literally hounded out the game by Lennon, which literally sparked a strike by his fellow officials, to McGregor surrounding the ref at every decision on the field and asking for cards at every turn. And, it doesn't stop at the refs, it goes above and beyond, who could forget in 2008 Lawell threatening to sue the SFA if they granted a postponed to an Old Firm game, in the same season they shamelessly asked for a postponement of an Old Firm game for the death of Phil O'Donnell, another club's player. We've seen this season more than any other the dividends of their culture of intimidation, calling out refs in the media and even threats of litigation. It's time the club, the manager, player and even our pundits start fighting fire with fire, or we'll never get a fair shake. Almacger, Bears, kelvd1873 and 13 others 16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cascadeshrimp 1,544 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 I get where your going with this bud and i broadly agree. The problem is that you need sympathetic voices in media to then amplify the message that you put out, We don't have this.It would be the usual "look at Rangers, sour grapes blah blah fuckin blah " Mcoist is the only 1 who has had a moan about the cup final,this is the real problem imo scottyscott1963, elliotblu, Ted E Bayer and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Maestro 13,900 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Every goal gets looked at it, so it had nothing to do with Joe Hart running. Rodgers also got a ban for those comments. Blue72 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sunglasses Ron 2,625 Posted May 28 Popular Post Share Posted May 28 I wish our players would at times surround the ref and moan and complain about the refs like McGregor does. It’s symptomatic of our team being too soft. elliotblu, OrangeRab, kelvd1873 and 5 others 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post graeme_4 37,468 Posted May 28 Popular Post Share Posted May 28 30 minutes ago, RealWorldRich said: When celtic lost 2-0 at Tynecastle a couple of months back they received a red card early in the game when Yang caught Cochrane in the face with his studs, with his boot raised nearly 6ft in the air. I reckon if you asked 100 ref's from 100 countries they would all arrive at the same conclusion; red card. But, surprise surprise, the ref on the pitch missed it and it was up to the VAR to recommend a review. The VAR was John Beaton, and despite doing his job in sending the ref to the monitor for the most obvious red card you'll see all season, Brendan Rodgers spent the post-match interviews and pressers going after him: "My feeling is that the game was decided by the officials – on the field and outside of the field,” "For John Beaton to actually look at that in VAR, supposedly under no pressure, and say that was sending off? I find that incredible." "it was a poor day for the officials." “I also think as well that VAR is not the problem here, that’s clear, It’s competence. And I think the first one is a great example of the game being refereed outside of the pitch." Now, fast forward to the cup final on Saturday, with John Beaton on VAR - is it any real surprise he's folded under pressure when faced with a probable game-deciding decision? There's another point to make here; Joe Hart himself took a booking by chasing the ref 50 yards up the pitch to ask for a foul. If he doesn't complain, does Beaton even think twice about the jostling that went on at the corner? Probably not. celtic wanted a decision, Beaton folded and gave them it. The price was a Brendan Rodgers ban and fine earlier in the season and booking for Joe the flapper. The reality is I could go on for pages about how their culture of pressure and intimidation of refs and officials, from Hugh Dallas getting coined in face, to Dougie McDonald being literally hounded out the game by Lennon, which literally sparked a strike by his fellow officials, to McGregor surrounding the ref at every decision on the field and asking for cards at every turn. And, it doesn't stop at the refs, it goes above and beyond, who could forget in 2008 Lawell threatening to sue the SFA if they granted a postponed to an Old Firm game, in the same season they shamelessly asked for a postponement of an Old Firm game for the death of Phil O'Donnell, another club's player. We've seen this season more than any other the dividends of their culture of intimidation, calling out refs in the media and even threats of litigation. It's time the club, the manager, player and even our pundits start fighting fire with fire, or we'll never get a fair shake. Totally agree. Where we’re missing a trick isn’t directly from the club statements, or fans bricking refs windows, it’s through the media. celtic 100% have coordinated messages go out via media mouthpieces (Sutton, Wilson, Hartson, Grant etc) who are all on message and ramping up pressure as required. We have ‘Rangers men’ who are all over the place with their message, and more concerned with being impartial. A proper media / PR strategy around refs and their decisions is sorely needed. OrangeRab, kelvd1873, Blue Skies and 3 others 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 6superbarry6 14,614 Posted May 28 Popular Post Share Posted May 28 8 minutes ago, cascadeshrimp said: I get where your going with this bud and i broadly agree. The problem is that you need sympathetic voices in media to then amplify the message that you put out, We don't have this.It would be the usual "look at Rangers, sour grapes blah blah fuckin blah " Mcoist is the only 1 who has had a moan about the cup final,this is the real problem imo Compare that to arseholes like Kenny Miller saying it was the correct decision and not even mentioning Taylor fouling Raskin. Blue Skies, scottyscott1963, Sunglasses Ron and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.E.C. 19,594 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Kick them in the willy mearns loyal and Fruithunter 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal72 13,613 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 I'm a bit dejected the club didn't say anything at all after the game. Even just post the still from the box, with the three celtic fouls being commited and Raskin getting shoved into Hart. But to just say fuck all, not even challenge it, is annoying. HG5, Helicopter Sundae and kelvd1873 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanVeenRangers 2,707 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Funny how there wasn't a single media puppet flagging our games for decisions after Ross County and Dundee. Only when they are under pressure do the refs get a tanking. It's predictable. MacBoyd and kelvd1873 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealWorldRich 869 Posted May 28 Author Share Posted May 28 19 minutes ago, J-Maestro said: Every goal gets looked at it, so it had nothing to do with Joe Hart running. Rodgers also got a ban for those comments. 1. VAR has actually shifted the balance. Before VAR players would complain to the ref until they were blue in the face, there was never any method of recourse, a decision was a decision and all the moaning in the world wouldn't change it. But now, complaining and feigning injury and whatever else can and does pay off. 2. And now that ban looks worth it, doesn't it? John Beaton was compromised on Saturday, couldn't be seen to pissing off Rodgers whilst on VAR again. Bears 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Maestro 13,900 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Just now, RealWorldRich said: 1. VAR has actually shifted the balance. Before VAR players would complain to the ref until they were blue in the face, there was never any method of recourse, a decision was a decision and all the moaning in the world wouldn't change it. But now, complaining and feigning injury and whatever else can and does pay off. 2. And now that ban looks worth it, doesn't it? John Beaton was compromised on Saturday, couldn't be seen to pissing off Rodgers whilst on VAR again. Every goal is checked regardless. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Maestro 13,900 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 14 minutes ago, 6superbarry6 said: Compare that to arseholes like Kenny Miller saying it was the correct decision and not even mentioning Taylor fouling Raskin. Miller is an idiot though, he still thinks Lundstram wasn't a sending off. HG5, Hadron Collider and 6superbarry6 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NixonRFC 1,575 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 36 minutes ago, 6superbarry6 said: Compare that to arseholes like Kenny Miller saying it was the correct decision and not even mentioning Taylor fouling Raskin. I think Miller has realised on reflection how stupid he sounded trying to defend Lundstram a couple of weeks ago, but because his ego is so out of control, he doesn't want to be seen as backing down, so tried to sound a bit more balanced this time, just made him look double stupid. scottyscott1963 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bluenoz 32,412 Posted May 28 Popular Post Share Posted May 28 Beaton was compromised. He shouldn't have been on VAR duty after his recent history with Rodgers. The problem lies at the doors of the spfl and has done since its inception. The media also play a huge role. Meanwhile, we've got Miller & Ferguson... Darth Bear, BlueKnight87, Bears and 5 others 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lockin 4,018 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 3 hours ago, J-Maestro said: Miller is an idiot though, he still thinks Lundstram wasn't a sending off. Aye and he thought Butland made a decent save at their goal on Saturday - arsehole HG5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionblue 4,119 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 9 minutes ago, Lord Lockin said: Aye and he thought Butland made a decent save at their goal on Saturday - arsehole kenny "listen" miller is ironically unlistenable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OrangeRab 3,382 Posted May 28 Popular Post Share Posted May 28 Coisty calling it out now. alibali59, kelvd1873, GWR1979 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacBoyd 6,068 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 10 hours ago, VanVeenRangers said: Funny how there wasn't a single media puppet flagging our games for decisions after Ross County and Dundee. Only when they are under pressure do the refs get a tanking. It's predictable. Its amazing how the naughty songs don't hurt when they are winning too surfsup2, alibali59, OrangeRab and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gmcf 35,385 Posted May 29 Popular Post Share Posted May 29 They've got it down to a fine art . So much so match officials are intimidated by them . I dont believe refs cheat ( apart from Clancy ) the truth is , its too much hassle for them to go against c....c , as the OP pointed out with his example of Beaton . Redmond7, kelvd1873, Bears and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmond7 1,506 Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 It's not even so much refs cheating, bias etc but, particularly when they are under pressure of say a title race, every single little thing that goes against them is analysed and debated and cried over - even when it's correct. Guaranteed if you flip all the cup final decisions and the score, all you would hear about was how the refs are out to get them the SFA hate them etc despite having won virtually every trophy for the past more than decade. Whereas when it goes against us it's almost deadly silence and then if we ever do complain it gets laughed at. I don't want us to become like the taigs and I would prefer we were more self aware than them and accept decisions that are clearly correct - the Lundstram red - but contentious ones? Let's have a least a little bit of push back. OrangeRab, Blue Skies and Bears 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ibrox Derry 9,221 Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 A culture of having better, harder and more ruthless shots at goal would be my preference. Our conversion rate for attempts at goal, chances etc is abysmal Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ibrox Derry 9,221 Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 19 hours ago, bluenoz said: Beaton was compromised. He shouldn't have been on VAR duty after his recent history with Rodgers. The problem lies at the doors of the spfl and has done since its inception. The media also play a huge role. Meanwhile, we've got Miller & Ferguson... Miller and Ferguson are a pair of wee scheme rats, who have accepted the Roman coin for prostituting themselves to the papish cause. They are irrelevant. Redmond7 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBearButt 3,908 Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 Fuck moaning at the refs we need to establish a winning mentality first and foremost. We have too many players who are all too willing to let their heads go down and hide. We need a new captain for a start who will actually be vocal and boot balls. Tav is a great professional and role model to younger players no doubt but a captain he is not. You need someone who thrives under pressure and spurs people on. Blue Skies and JackAlex93 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr3_bear 15,532 Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 For me a winning mentality and back to this club never accepting second best is the requirement and it needs to start happening now and along with players it's Clements biggest job this summer To have a squad chomping at the bit and ready for this season to start with no respect for they cunts or anyone else in this league Blue Skies and esquire8 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NixonRFC 1,575 Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 I genuinely don't know if that is the right or wrong way to go about it, but I do know it's an utterly depressing situation we've found ourselves in when this kind of thread gets created. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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