VAR - what needs to change?

[theiconicman 3,012]

Despite enjoying the game last night and watching them getting pumped, I have to sympathise in that I don't like the way VAR is working. Specifically I don't like that someone in a control room decides what gets look at and what doesn't.

Particularly in goals, when VAR then pore over eveything up to it and you are waiting if some small infraction noone complained about is suddenly going to rule out your goal.

I'd like to see it changed more like tennis, where the teams are in control. So you can give both managers 2 review calls in a game and the referee can also have 2 review calls. That way if your team is complaining of something in a pivotal moment, the VAR replays the incident from multiple angles to the referee. You will reduce cost (you don't need another set of VAR referees, just video operators), will let the game flow and hopefully only intervene when necessary. It also re-establishes the referee's authority, we can make him review something, but noone else is making a call in his ear.

I do hope FIFA/UEFA review VAR and look to make changes, I think it sucks the way it is just now.

[ForeverAndEver 72,134]

Get rid of it

[RFC55 110,172]

Starting a thread cause fenians have had a player rightfully sent off 🤢

[ger4life_1872 29,817]

Replays etc should be broadcast in stadiums 

[theiconicman 3,012]

49 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said:

Get rid of it

I think it has value, particularly offside/ fouls in the box goals, but the level of scrutiny is now mental - it should be designed to work for the teams, not the referees in my mind.

48 minutes ago, RFC55 said:

Starting a thread cause fenians have had a player rightfully sent off 🤢

You could look it that way, but noone is happy with VAR at the moment and the bleating in the press today is what brought this back to mind for me. If the ref wasn't sure last night, he could still ask to see a replay under the suggestion.

30 minutes ago, ger4life_1872 said:

Replays etc should be broadcast in stadiums 

Agree - also think referees should be mic'd into the stadiums as well. Just because some stadiums don't have it shouldn't stop us moving towards it. The fans in football are still treated like shit.

[gmcf 34,645]

I think there's too much onus on the referee if he's asked to have another look - he'd need to be very brave to still think he's still right after another ref , on VAR with every angle , tells him to look again . 

I like what they do in rugby , where the ref explains what he is seeing , and actually discusses it with the VAR team at any contentious moment ,  and the spectators get to hear his reasoning behind that decision . Won't happen though . 

[kanjo 26,393]

VAR should be operated as it is in Rugby. 
 

Full transparency in the decisions and discussions with the referee and replays shown in the stadium. 

[BLUEDIGNITY 33,714]

[bluenoz 31,275]

57 minutes ago, kanjo said:

VAR should be operated as it is in Rugby. 
 

Full transparency in the decisions and discussions with the referee and replays shown in the stadium. 

 

This. ↑

[.Williamson. 83,770]

You have to sympathise with them? 
 

[RFC55 110,172]

7 minutes ago, .Williamson. said:

You have to sympathise with them? 
 

Absolutely fucking bonkers. The wee cunt went in high and done the player.

 

[OrangeRab 3,024]

Bin it. The sport is worse for it. Ruins goals as well as some chance it’s going to get chalked off

[Lord Lockin 3,940]

Games are no longer refereed by the ref on the park but by someone watching television screens - oh and it was a stone wall sending off last night.

[.Williamson. 83,770]

10 minutes ago, RFC55 said:

Absolutely fucking bonkers. The wee cunt went in high and done the player.

 

Deserved jail mate. Was sickened when I seen it this morning 

[BlueVanguard 7,040]

Hate VAR

Get it in the Bin.

Keep VAR for Ra Sellik though because its just to funny. 

[SPWF 8,427]

17 minutes ago, RFC55 said:

Absolutely fucking bonkers. The wee cunt went in high and done the player.

 

The discourse around it is mental. Imagine that was Cantwell? All the discussion would be about how dirty he is. Instead it’s about the poor hard done by paedos. 

[BlueVanguard 7,040]

5 minutes ago, SPWF said:

The discourse around it is mental. Imagine that was Cantwell? All the discussion would be about how dirty he is. Instead it’s about the poor hard done by paedos. 

That cunt has previous for it in the league also.

Maeda might act all quiet but he is a dirty cunt.

[SPWF 8,427]

Just now, BlueVanguard said:

That cunt has previous for it in the league also.

Maeda might act all quiet but he is a dirty cunt.

Him and Furahashi are both cheating bastards. 

[scottyscott1963 18,616]

Fuck ditching it because the paedos got a correct decision against them. 
I'll agree once the fenians have a perfectly good goal ruled out against us. 

[left winger 14,614]

3 hours ago, ger4life_1872 said:

Replays etc should be broadcast in stadiums 

Aye, when we’re at Livingston we can all watch them on one of Martindale’s burner phones.

[ger4life_1872 29,817]

14 minutes ago, left winger said:

Aye, when we’re at Livingston we can all watch them on one of Martindale’s burner phones.

Forgot we cant bring in rules where clubs would be required to fit a screen 

[AGC123 1,231]

Start with you have to be clearly offside, whenever the lines come out and you start measuring in mm it’s a farce 

[esquire8 43,625]

What needs to change? The referees.

VAR with a good ref on the pitch and another good ref watching on the screens and you don't have any of the issues.

Putting on mics and showing them live on the screens in the stadiums may work for Rugby but it's asking for big trouble in football.

[SonicWill 862]

We're never going to get rid of it because the basic premise that led to its introduction is that referees were making mistakes in games that now potentially cost teams tens of millions of pounds. People will come back and say that they still make mistakes with VAR, which is true, but it's a lower amount. So the issue people generally have is with the process, the length of time and how it affects the flow of a game.

I think the best way is to introduce a "challenge" system, similar to tennis and basketball. Every match, a manager has a challenge they can use to ask VAR to review a decision. This can only be for certain things - to reverse the decision on a goal (either one that is awarded or has been cut off), to reverse a second yellow/red card, to query potential serious foul play (for example, they've seen one of their players get elbowed or they feel that an opponent who has just been booked should have been red carded instead) and for mistaken identity (player disciplined for something they didn't do). 

If they are successful, they retain their challenge. If not, they have no further challenges for the match. Keeping it for these specific circumstances would also ensure managers (I'm looking at you, Mourinho) wouldn't be able to use their challenge as a way to either kill time or kill the momentum of a match.

It would also add an element of tactics to the challenges - do you risk it 10 minutes in on a goal that's been disallowed, knowing if you're wrong you can't challenge anything later on in the match, for example? 

I think the greatest attraction for me, though, is that it's probably the closest we're going to get to that feeling of euphoria when the ball hits the back of the net. Now, when we start celebrating, there's always that question mark hanging over our head of is the goal going to count. Think back to Lundstram against Leipzig. I remember going mental but a tiny part of me was worried that Sakala had fouled the keeper, and sure enough it goes to a VAR check. A challenge system will eliminate most of this fear as every goal won't be getting scrutinised.

[AberfeldyBlue 1,657]

" I have to sympathise"

 

no you dinnae